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22 hours ago
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

Rocko1
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Rocko1
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
Very cool hike. Killer views from up there. The weather has been super the last couple of weeks.
6 days ago
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

Brian
Brian
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Brian
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
I went to the Elephant Tree Area over 10 years ago. It was when I was still driving a Sentra. Going over a rocky section in the road, the suspension bounced and put a good sized dent in a plate under the fuel tank. It was one of many incidents that convinced me I needed a different car if I was going to keep doing the desert thing.

Always meant to go back at some point and visit Starfish Cove since it's in Schad's book, but never got around to it.

Great trip report! Looks like a fun exploration of a seldom visited place.
6 days ago
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

tekewin
tekewin
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tekewin
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
You might have noticed Elephant Benchmark (3392') if you have been to the Split Mountains in the southern part of the park. It was named after the rare elephant trees that grow nearby. Elephant trees are mostly found in Baja, Mexico. The trailhead was the Elephant Trees Discovery trail, a one mile loop that has a couple living trees along the trail. And a couple of dead ones. "Hardcore" Henry Chen joined me on this trip. We passed a couple of elephant trees before reaching the major gully north of Elephant. We followed that to Starfish Cove, a confluence of five drainages. From there, we took the ridge. Rocks on the ridge were solid, cactus and agave were abundant, and nothing exceeded class 2.





This was the first elephant tree we found






Henry on the ridge, Starfish Cove below

A small boulder marked the summit and we found a register dating from 1980. Elephant gets an average of 2 visits per year. The last one was in March, 2022. We signed in and read the entires of the adventurers from last 42 years. Views were great in all directions. It had taken us longer to reach the summit than we expected and we decided to take one of the ridge lines down. We picked a ridge south of the ascent gully, but were confident it was unbroken. We scrambled down the class 2+ ridge slowly, dodging cactus. When we reached the top of the final ridge section, we decided to drop into the major eastern gully. That section was sketchy and loose. By our lights, most of the eastern ridge lines will go, and more efficiently than going up from Starfish Cove. When we got back to the trail, we took the other part of the loop, finding the largest and healthiest elephant tree of the day. A fine day in the desert.



Split Mountains (near), Fish Creek Mountains (far)

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Summit








Biggest, healthy elephant tree on the Discovery Trail


edited by tekewin on 11/30/2022
7 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Rocko1
Rocko1
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I got a response back from the environmental CA DFW program manager and he said he would forward the info on the guzzlers to the BHS biologists. He also reiterated some info that we all know about the Pinyon Wash tanks and that they were replaced last year.
edited by Rocko1 on 11/29/2022
8 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Rocko1
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rockhopper wrote:
Nice hike Rocko1. You're really getting a great start to desert hiking season. Congrats. Were there any BHS and wildlife tracks to the guzzlers? I read certain animals can "smell" the water from a great distance. Cattle for example, will stampede over you to get to it. If you see a dragon fly, water is very close nearby. Thanks for the trail report.



Tracks to the 'Blue Spring' guzzler were very sparse with the exception of the big cat prints that went up to it. A few rabbit prints here and there and that is it. It's as if they all knew it was dry. There were a considerable amount of birds chirping that got my hopes up though. This was in stark contrast to my 2019 trip when it was covered with tracks and had water. I did see a couple of BHS prints on the ridge going towards the active guzzler as well as droppings.

FWIW I emailed the CA DWF.
edited by Rocko1 on 11/29/2022
8 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

rockhopper
rockhopper
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Nice hike Rocko1. You're really getting a great start to desert hiking season. Congrats. Were there any BHS and wildlife tracks to the guzzlers? I read certain animals can "smell" the water from a great distance. Cattle for example, will stampede over you to get to it. If you see a dragon fly, water is very close nearby. Thanks for the trail report.
8 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 330
Great trip! I love that area. I remember lots of agave on Bighorn Canyon, must have forgotten about the cholla.

Thanks for tracking those pipes back from Blue Spring. I wondered what was at the other end.
13 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Buford
Buford
Posts: 423
Rocko1 wrote:
dsefcik wrote:
pre pandemic gary and i were the monitors for the sunset mtn guzzler but always checked in on the blue spring, nolina, pinyon and harper guzzlers. ditto what buford said, floats go bad, pin holes develop, wind pulls apart plumbing, etc. harper was the only non functioning guzzler i was aware of as of 2021. park officials started requiring covid vaccines, finger printing, background checks, etc for volunteers so gary and i resigned as volunteers.

Yeah, ludicrous. Worth emailing anyone about non-op guzzlers or is it a waste of time?


Per the UT article, the park may or may not care but CA DFW will care.

I would let the park know. I don’t know who to contact at the park.

I would contact CA DFW. They have an interest in guzzler condition. CA DFW is responsible for sheep recovery and monitoring. The guzzlers are a big part of that.
14 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
dsefcik wrote:
pre pandemic gary and i were the monitors for the sunset mtn guzzler but always checked in on the blue spring, nolina, pinyon and harper guzzlers. ditto what buford said, floats go bad, pin holes develop, wind pulls apart plumbing, etc. harper was the only non functioning guzzler i was aware of as of 2021. park officials started requiring covid vaccines, finger printing, background checks, etc for volunteers so gary and i resigned as volunteers.

Yeah, ludicrous. Worth emailing anyone about non-op guzzlers or is it a waste of time?
14 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Britain
Britain
Posts: 545
dsefcik wrote:
pre pandemic gary and i were the monitors for the sunset mtn guzzler but always checked in on the blue spring, nolina, pinyon and harper guzzlers. ditto what buford said, floats go bad, pin holes develop, wind pulls apart plumbing, etc. harper was the only non functioning guzzler i was aware of as of 2021. park officials started requiring covid vaccines, finger printing, background checks, etc for volunteers so gary and i resigned as volunteers.

What a shame that the Park ( State of Ca) to impose that on volunteers. But ot does seem to be a standard now days.
14 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

dsefcik
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dsefcik
dsefcik
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Topic: Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers
pre pandemic gary and i were the monitors for the sunset mtn guzzler but always checked in on the blue spring, nolina, pinyon and harper guzzlers. ditto what buford said, floats go bad, pin holes develop, wind pulls apart plumbing, etc. harper was the only non functioning guzzler i was aware of as of 2021. park officials started requiring covid vaccines, finger printing, background checks, etc for volunteers so gary and i resigned as volunteers.
15 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
Buford wrote:
That is a fun hike. I remember the cholla garden coming off the peak down to Blue Spring well. I have not been up the Bighorn drainage, it looks worth exploring. I did a double take with the gloved hand and the register, I thought those were my pictures since I wear the same gloves Thumbs Up

The guzzlers used to be monitored and maintained by volunteers and park employees. Volunteers were supposed to check their "adopted" guzzler occasionally. The park has been short staffed for a while. Don't know how much effort the park employees have put into maintaining the guzzlers and how much they care about them per the UT article among other things. The state park, DFW, and other agencies are all separate and may not all be working towards the same goal. Many volunteers are now unwilling to work with the park due to changed rules for volunteers. The park has also been less than responsive when informed of issues.

Guzzlers have parts break from being out in the elements. Things can clog, float switches freeze open, catch matts get blown away, and many other problems. This could cause one tank to be full and another empty even though they are in close proximity. I don't know which guzzlers got helicopter drops this summer.

There was a part time job opening available earlier this year to monitor the guzzlers for DFW. I don't know if they filled it. If anyone is interested I can try and find the link again.

I am pro guzzler. They are replacing water sources and making areas inhabitable to make up for what we have destroyed. What about all the ranches that tapped historic sheep sources dry? What about the golf courses, farms, windmills, and houses moving onto sheep habitat?



Thanks for the info. I too am in favor. I didn't know there was so much mis or lack of-communication surrounding maintaining these. Whatever it is I hope the Blue Spring location gets fixed.

Love these gloves. One of the best values I have found. I had multiple thousands of miles on my last pair and they only had a tiny hole in them-that's with using hiking poles on every hike. I only got a new pair because I left mine someplace in the Sierra on accident.
edited by Rocko1 on 11/21/2022
15 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Buford
Buford
Posts: 423
That is a fun hike. I remember the cholla garden coming off the peak down to Blue Spring well. I have not been up the Bighorn drainage, it looks worth exploring. I did a double take with the gloved hand and the register, I thought those were my pictures since I wear the same gloves Thumbs Up

The guzzlers used to be monitored and maintained by volunteers and park employees. Volunteers were supposed to check their "adopted" guzzler occasionally. The park has been short staffed for a while. Don't know how much effort the park employees have put into maintaining the guzzlers and how much they care about them per the UT article among other things. The state park, DFW, and other agencies are all separate and may not all be working towards the same goal. Many volunteers are now unwilling to work with the park due to changed rules for volunteers. The park has also been less than responsive when informed of issues.

Guzzlers have parts break from being out in the elements. Things can clog, float switches freeze open, catch matts get blown away, and many other problems. This could cause one tank to be full and another empty even though they are in close proximity. I don't know which guzzlers got helicopter drops this summer.

There was a part time job opening available earlier this year to monitor the guzzlers for DFW. I don't know if they filled it. If anyone is interested I can try and find the link again.

I am pro guzzler. They are replacing water sources and making areas inhabitable to make up for what we have destroyed. What about all the ranches that tapped historic sheep sources dry? What about the golf courses, farms, windmills, and houses moving onto sheep habitat?
16 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
Brian wrote:
It takes real commitment to keep going when faced with that sort of terrain.

I remember reading that not everyone in park management is on the same page about whether the guzzlers should even be maintained. Some prefer a natural selection approach (IE, let the sheep die out if they can't survive without human intervention).

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/story/2022-05-07/anza-borrego-bighorn-sheep
edited by Brian on 11/21/2022



I read that. Just strange one would be near full while the other is dry. I should have dug down in the sand to see if the pipe opening was clogged. That guzzler near Blue Spring-which was dry and or non-existent-was teaming with tracks and birds last time I was there and it was full.
16 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Brian
Brian
Posts: 162
It takes real commitment to keep going when faced with that sort of terrain.

I remember reading that not everyone in park management is on the same page about whether the guzzlers should even be maintained. Some prefer a natural selection approach (IE, let the sheep die out if they can't survive without human intervention).

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/story/2022-05-07/anza-borrego-bighorn-sheep
edited by Brian on 11/21/2022
16 days ago
Topic:
Bighorn Canyon, 3,567 Peak and Guzzlers

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
I went out to AB to cache some water/food for an upcoming trip and thought I would go check out the guzzlers near Bighorn Canyon. That canyon really gets great as you gain elevation-plenty of side canyons and drainages to explore. 45F when I started, 63F at noon. Slight breeze. Perfect day.




Followed set of big cat tracks up to guzzler near Blue Spring.



It was bone dry.



Decided to follow the pipe and see where it lead to. I always thought it was fed by Blue Spring but it's fed by a concrete 'dam' near the top of one of the falls. Looks 2 damns were made and the pipe had been connected to the lower dam at one time.






I then hiked up and over into Nolina canyon before finding a ridge to climb up to the 3,567 peak.



I was easy going until the last section-that had more cholla cactus per square foot than anywhere I have seen. That coupled with very loose rocks made it tough. I got bit multiple times and spiked pretty hard from agave.





Near the top

[url=]https://imgur.com/qgZgf2Z


View from the peak




Took a little bit to find the register. A few of the alumni from here.




I then followed the flattest part of the ridge north to guzzler #2. This was one of the most frustrating terrain to hike. Almost no dirt. Boulder hopping and cactus dodging, very slow going.



Guzzler #2. All tanks here were 80% full. Which is strange as guzzler #1 was bone dry. With the heavy rains we had in October I though there should be some water in the tanks. My theory is the pipe is probably clogged with debris preventing it from filling or guzzler #2 was filled recently from helicopter.






I dropped down a drainage to the north and followed the road back to my car. I was so happy to be walking on flat ground.



10.7 miles
2,618ft gain



Album https://imgur.com/a/UkYGNoL
edited by Rocko1 on 11/21/2022
16 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

Britain
Britain
Posts: 545
Nice, been to the lower Happys. Didnt know about the upper above the palm grove until a few years back. Need to go back into that area.
16 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1009
Glad to hear the palm groves still have water. Passed by that area over ten years ago while bagging Peak 4004. Didn't know there were rock houses or cultural stuff at that spot. Thanks for the report!
17 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 654
Looks like a really nice area to explore. Those rock shelters look very well used. Thanks for the trip report and great photos.
21 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 330
Rocko1 wrote:

That would be great. I saw many private residences and roads closer to Thimble, just didn't know if it was safe to park there.



Here is google map from Borrego Springs:
https://goo.gl/maps/uwLjfZUUgHy2zUAc7


I usually take Lease Road to the unsigned Cherry Canyon Road. It's dirt road that goes over a small hill and there are some ruts, but you don't need 4x4. There is a small turnout on BLM land that fits maybe 3-4 cars. There are private holdings all around. The trail starts up the dirt road, then turns into a single track. I also attached a GPX of the most direct route to the Thimble.
21 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
tekewin wrote:
Nice! That is one of my favorite areas of the park.

I've seen a lot of deer around and lots of other tracks. Found an intact baby deer skull near Goat BM, a little NE of White. Also "smelled" cat pee nearby, like fresh pee. Freaky, but never saw anything.

You should definitely go back for Thimble and San Ysidro. Super fun. Easiest way to get there is from Cherry Canyon. I can upload a track if you aren't sure where to park.



That would be great. I saw many private residences and roads closer to Thimble, just didn't know if it was safe to park there.
21 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
tekewin wrote:
Great trip! That area south of I-8 is some place I've never been. It's looks fun with all those rock piles.

Never heard of "Happy" either, so thanks for the lore.

The rocks are really cool and the canyons are a bouldering junkies dream! Perfect time of year now-highs were low 60s.
21 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 330
Rocko1 wrote:
Really fantastic report. I suspect the ducks are for the Villager east approach. I have always wanted to explore that side of the mountain but the parking logistics always deterred me.




Yes, that's east approach to Rabbit through Barton Canyon. The white rocks really stand out in the dark, very helpful.

Amazing trip. Had no idea so many artifacts were out there.
edited by tekewin on 11/15/2022
21 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 330
Nice! That is one of my favorite areas of the park.

I've seen a lot of deer around and lots of other tracks. Found an intact baby deer skull near Goat BM, a little NE of White. Also "smelled" cat pee nearby, like fresh pee. Freaky, but never saw anything.

You should definitely go back for Thimble and San Ysidro. Super fun. Easiest way to get there is from Cherry Canyon. I can upload a track if you aren't sure where to park.
21 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 330
Great trip! That area south of I-8 is some place I've never been. It's looks fun with all those rock piles.

Never heard of "Happy" either, so thanks for the lore.
22 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
It was a seep near the second cabin and and a few slow running seeps in the canyons getting up there.
edited by Rocko1 on 11/14/2022
22 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 907
Looks like a great area to explore! Was the water source a seep or more substantial? There isn't an area of S.D. County I've visited yet that doesn't have discarded backpacks, clothing, and water bottles. People are desperate for a better / safer way of life and are willing to traverse some horrendous terrain to get there.
23 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
Was a fun trip. I really enjoyed the landscape out here. I would love to know more about Happy and the history behind these cabins. The upper cabin really was in a fantastic location, nice palm groves and a water source. The amount of discarded litter/clothing in this area is unsettling though.




Rock shelter near upper cabin.










Upper Cabin area





Album-https://imgur.com/a/1TMNdj6






edited by Rocko1 on 11/14/2022
24 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

Brian
Brian
Posts: 162
A couple more from another previous trip


24 days ago
Topic:
Happy cabins and Myer Valley

Brian
Brian
Posts: 162
On Saturday, Rocko1 and I did a hike in the Jacumba Wilderness, with the goal of exploring Happy's upper and lower cabins. My understanding based on oral history passed down by the Jacumba hikers is there were a couple different guys in the Jacumba area in the early/mid 20th century with the nickname "Happy." This particular Happy had a lower elevation winter cabin and a higher elevation summer cabin. He evidently worked at Miller's Garage in Ocotillo and made the "commute" by walking down Myer Creek. The nickname was evidently the result of a facial deformity resulting from a gunshot wound that made him appear to have a permanent smile.

The lower cabin is visible from the eastbound lanes of I-8 and is easily visited by anyone hiking into the Myer Valley area. The upper/summer cabin is more remote - perched on an obscure ledge that's difficult to reach from any direction, but has a perennial water source. The perfect place for a hermit, although I'd imagine that if you arrived home and realized you'd forgotten something at the grocery store, it'd be a pisser.

It's possible to do a shortish but technical loop to visit the upper cabin (as seen on AllTrails). We extended it into Myer Valley to give Rocko1 an overview of the area since he hadn't been there before. Hopefully he will add some pics here. I was too busy trying to keep up and didn't take very many.


Rocko1 exploring what's left of the lower cabin


The remains of the upper cabin and surrounding area




A large rock shelter we found on the way down from the ledge


A couple pics from my previous trip to the area with the Jacumba Hikers last March


27 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
Buford wrote:
Cool trip. I remember finding some big pinyon pines in that area too. No big cat prints or deer in the area?

I've been down to the waterfall mentioned in Schad's book. It was dry when I was there. Definitely can be a bushwhack in the canyon bottoms.



I didn't any take any pics but yes, tons of deer, bobcat and lion prints going from where I started up and over down towards Hellhole Canyon(North drainage)and the other Canyon that has Pena spring(south drainage) in it. The trail that went under the tree I took a break at was like an animal super highway-wide and deep game trail. Heaviest use I have seen. Perfect spot for a game camera.
27 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

Buford
Buford
Posts: 423
Nice work. Definitely looks worthy of exploring. Lots of cool artifacts you guys found. Good to see the lone hiker still has the port and starboard tape on the trekking poles.

Always sketchy leaving a car there even for a couple hours. I only know about the two parking areas already pointed out.
27 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Buford
Buford
Posts: 423
Cool trip. I remember finding some big pinyon pines in that area too. No big cat prints or deer in the area?

I've been down to the waterfall mentioned in Schad's book. It was dry when I was there. Definitely can be a bushwhack in the canyon bottoms.
27 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Rocko1
Rocko1
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ziphius wrote:
Great trip Rocko1! Healthy pinons for sure! Being blessed with mostly predictably dry weather during our desert season, I almost exclusively cowboy camp. Especially with all those boulders to set up as windbreaks. I've had only one issue with cowboy camping, and that was when one night, the wind piled a bunch of dry cholla balls up against my bag. I was essentially a 'cholla dam'. Good lesson, I'm so much better now at picking my spots. Thanks for posting.



Cowboy camping sure makes finding a flat place to lay down easier in these spots. I see lots of cool 'cave' type spots one could sleep but I always think about it being a den for something-pack rats at the least. Don't need my gear to become part of it's nest.
28 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

rockhopper
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Posts: 654
Nice trip report! Looks like a great area to explore. Need to check it out sometime. Ditto on finding the large Pinyon Pine trees. Some of my best memories of my desert rambling's have been resting in the shade of the glorious Pinyon Pine tree! The recent rains are a blessing.
28 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

rockhopper
rockhopper
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tommy750 wrote:
Nice find, Rockhopper. We did not find any water below the site. I came up the wash from below and climbed to the top of the white rock dry falls and did not see any water but didn't actually wade through the reeds and catclaw. Yoks crossed over to the mining adit on the other side of the stream bed and didn't see any water either. Think Yoks found some mining claims above the Alamo Canyon site.

Rockhopper, were you able to find any mining activity in either canyon? It seems someone went through a lot of trouble to build that path and rock houses and not have some sort of sizeable mining activity. Thanks for the pics!


Hi Tommy750,

You were really close. Yep, I had to go up the dry waterfalls and wade thru the reeds, cat claw, and bust thru a lot of dead branches. It made it easier for the wildlife. Ha! I was thinking of the same thing regarding mining activity. I saw a lot of mining claim markers further up Alamo canyon but no mining tailings. Maybe they were searching for the "Lost Esmerald mine of the Santa Rosas" Oh my!


Here is the spring location below the Lucia rock house. It's up aways towards the lone palm.



Poking around a rock face I found this seep also.



Glad you guys had a great adventure. It was my 3rd time up the canyon before I found water.
28 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 907
Great trip Rocko1! Healthy pinons for sure! Being blessed with mostly predictably dry weather during our desert season, I almost exclusively cowboy camp. Especially with all those boulders to set up as windbreaks. I've had only one issue with cowboy camping, and that was when one night, the wind piled a bunch of dry cholla balls up against my bag. I was essentially a 'cholla dam'. Good lesson, I'm so much better now at picking my spots. Thanks for posting.
28 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
tommy750 wrote:
Nice trip, Rocko1. Have literally never hiked in the NW part of the park. Need to get out more. Found a couple of those blue signs out in McCain Valley a few years ago but they've subsequently disappeared.

IMG_1070 by tomteske, on Flickr

I would like to know the era of these signs.

I highly recommend going up to that area this time of year, after a little rain, plenty of green, soil is moist, makes for pleasant hiking. It would be nice find some spring closer to White BM or up higher as that would really help with hauling water for an overnight up to the San Ysidro ridge.
28 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Brian
Brian
Posts: 162
Rocko1 wrote:

Is this the Schad hike or similar? https://borregohiking.com/hiking/2019_pena_spring_hellhole_canyon.html
edited by Rocko1 on 11/8/2022


Same entry point, but Schad's hike describes going along the canyon bottom to a tributary canyon with a waterfall. It sounds like much bushwhacking is involved. I didn't get that far as I turned around at the point where he mentions you lose 800' in .2 miles.
28 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

tommy750
tommy750
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Nice trip, Rocko1. Have literally never hiked in the NW part of the park. Need to get out more. Found a couple of those blue signs out in McCain Valley a few years ago but they've subsequently disappeared.

IMG_1070 by tomteske, on Flickr
28 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

tommy750
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Nice find, Rockhopper. We did not find any water below the site. I came up the wash from below and climbed to the top of the white rock dry falls and did not see any water but didn't actually wade through the reeds and catclaw. Yoks crossed over to the mining adit on the other side of the stream bed and didn't see any water either. Think Yoks found some mining claims above the Alamo Canyon site.

Rockhopper, were you able to find any mining activity in either canyon? It seems someone went through a lot of trouble to build that path and rock houses and not have some sort of sizeable mining activity. Thanks for the pics!
28 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Rocko1
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Brian wrote:
Always fun to explore a new area of the park. I haven't done anything in that area myself. Great looking trip. I remember Schad's book has a trip that descends into upper Hellhole from Pena spring. I did part of that a long time ago, but I wasn't experienced at off-trail travel then and it was a steep descent, so I didn't finish it.



The soil being damp from the recent rains and lack of evaporation made going down the steep hills very easy-you sort of sink in and slide a little with each step. It felt very secure as opposed to rock hard DG with little ball bearing size pebbles under. I could see dropping into Hellhole from that ridge with the trees and the spot I took a break under-heck all the animals use it, it's just getting back that would be a good amount of work.

Is this the Schad hike or similar? https://borregohiking.com/hiking/2019_pena_spring_hellhole_canyon.html
edited by Rocko1 on 11/8/2022
28 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Brian
Brian
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Always fun to explore a new area of the park. I haven't done anything in that area myself. Great looking trip. I remember Schad's book has a trip that descends into upper Hellhole from Pena spring. I did part of that a long time ago, but I wasn't experienced at off-trail travel then and it was a steep descent, so I didn't finish it.
28 days ago
Topic:
White, Wee, Chimney Rock and Pines

Rocko1
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Did a nice day hike on Saturday to Bonny, Chimney Rock, White and Wee benchmarks with some exploring mixed in. I have not hiked in this section of the park before and afterword I couldn't think for the life of me why. The views are fantastic up here and it has one of the healthiest Pinyon trees I have found in the park. I parked at a turn out off S22 right at the east AB border.

I have not seen this style of sign but the font reminds me of 50/60s type. I dig the color. This was on the fence on the west end near Ranchita.


View from Bonny(video) https://i.imgur.com/SVnnwGpl.mp4

Chimney Rock


White BM


After White BM I planned on going to Thimble but it looked like a considerable amount of scrambling to get off White so I decided to explore a rocky ridge to the east overlooking the beginning of Hellhole Canyon.
This ridge has some of the healthiest Pinyons I have seen in AB. There were 2 that were just enormous for this area.


From what I could tell they were Colorado Pinyons or two leaf Pinyons. I usually see single leaf pinyons on Whale Peak area. All had boulders protecting multiple sides-same as with the Pinyon Ridge examples.
There were a couple of areas one could cowboy camp in between the massive boulders which I may do at some point.
I went up and over a ridge to the south and sat and made coffee under another fine example.



This area has a tremendous amount of game tracks and worn game trails. The trail passed right next to the tree I rested under and continued down into Hellhole Canyon.
I thought I would make my way to the California Riding and Hiking Trail and go to Wee BM and then follow that trail back to my car or as close as I could get.

Overhang rock.


I dropped into what is labelled as South Fork canyon. It’s very nice down here and had a couple of huge oak trees.

Further to the east from here is Pena Spring-about .75 miles down. I climbed out of the canyon following game trails and connected with the CRHT.
Route I had to come down to get to it.


Wee



I really liked this area and want to get over to the higher elevations, San Ysidro, etc.

8 miles, 2,000ft gain/loss.

2 balloons, 1 tick flicked off pants.
edited by Rocko1 on 11/8/2022
29 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

rockhopper
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Way to go! Glad you guys had an excellent adventure exploring the rock house canyons in the "other side" of the Santa Rosas. I am still searching for more to explore. Hard to imagine the Natives and Folks used to live back in there! Did you guys' pack in water or did you find the spring below Cris Lucia rock house? Rocko1, the "Trail to the left" is the most direct approach to Rabit peak up Barton canyon.
Can I add some pics?

Spring below Chris Lucia rock house.










Lucia rock hose from the trail with tele photo





I like this view. The Lucia rock house built on top of the Native American village here had a full view of the "Full" Lake Cahuilla.





My first thoughts that the rock walls up Alamo canyon were of an old Native American village. I called it S.R.I.R 2.0, but with minimal pot shares or grinding rocks I am thinking you are right as a possible corral.





On a side note, further up Alamo canyon there are some rock piles that look like old mining claim markers.
edited by rockhopper on 11/8/2022
29 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 907
Nice-looking trip guys.
29 days ago
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 907
Good-looking trip and mountain lion track!
29 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

Brian
Brian
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tommy750 wrote:
Brian wrote:
Great trip report. I love hearing about areas that aren't in the books. I did Martinez Canyon one time, so I know the parking challenge in that area.


Definitely agree. Looks like someone spent the summer building a 300 acre golf course right near the mouth of Martinez Canyon. Curious.


That's wild. My version of GE is still showing an agricultural field in that spot. It doesn't look like it would affect how I went in before, from 68th and Van Buren.
edited by Brian on 11/8/2022
29 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

tommy750
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Brian wrote:
Great trip report. I love hearing about areas that aren't in the books. I did Martinez Canyon one time, so I know the parking challenge in that area.


Definitely agree. Looks like someone spent the summer building a 300 acre golf course right near the mouth of Martinez Canyon. Curious.

Martinez Canyon Golf Course by tomteske, on Flickr
29 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

Brian
Brian
Posts: 162
Great trip report. I love hearing about areas that aren't in the books. I did Martinez Canyon one time, so I know the parking challenge in that area.
29 days ago
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

tommy750
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Rocko1 wrote:
Really fantastic report. I suspect the ducks are for the Villager east approach. I have always wanted to explore that side of the mountain but the parking logistics always deterred me.


Think we discussed parking more than any other topic prior to the trip. GE has a "trailhead" icon at 80th and Fillmore but 80th has a dirt berm across it and Fillmore south of the E-W drainage channel is heavily signed no trespassing. The only other for sure not private property and not trespassing parking location for hikes to the south eg Salton Sea Petroglyph Trail/Travertine Palms would be at the west end of 86th. Certainly would like to know if anyone else is aware of other legit parking locations.
11/7/2022
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

Rocko1
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Really fantastic report. I suspect the ducks are for the Villager east approach. I have always wanted to explore that side of the mountain but the parking logistics always deterred me.
11/6/2022
Topic:
Lucia and Alamo Canyon Rock House Ruins 2-3 day BP

tommy750
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Yoks invited Gary, Randy and me to join him on a 2-3 day BP trip to explore the Chris Lucia rock house mentioned in Rockhopper's post here: http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic1386-santa-rosas-prospectors-rock-house.aspx Rockhopper has some nice videos of the area on his YouTube channel. Wade, a friend of the group mentioned another large site up nearby Alamo Canyon and we decided to visit this site as well. After some weather and work related delays, we headed out last weekend. Parking is a bit of a challenge due to private property issues. We ended up parking on Fillmore south of 78th and had no problems. The trail starts as a dirt road and transitions into an apparent wide pack animal route that is braided with an old Cahuilla trail. Gary and Yoks near the trail start:

IMG_1536 by tomteske, on Flickr

Never seen a trail as heavily ducked as this one but didn't mind it on the way out at dusk. Assuming this is the route used by Rabbit peakbaggers attempting the east approach?

?Nice find at a trail side dump smile

IMG_1532 by tomteske, on Flickr

Randy with the rare rainbow unicorn mylar cluster.

IMG_1547 by tomteske, on Flickr

Nice pot drop just off the trail.

IMG_1560 by tomteske, on Flickr

Yoks with a painted sherd.

IMG_1552 by tomteske, on Flickr

We spent lunchtime near a boulder pile with historical graffiti. Had a hard time even with PS of making out what the faded stuff said.

IMG_1567 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1732 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1568 by tomteske, on Flickr

Nice train intersection! We made a left here.

IMG_1579 by tomteske, on Flickr

Yoks leading the way.

IMG_1584 by tomteske, on Flickr

We decided to spend the night on top of this ridge with panoramic views (and cell service).

IMG_1585 by tomteske, on Flickr

Yours truly after making it up to camp 1 with the lightest pack of the group at 37lb.

IMG_1587 by tomteske, on Flickr

We hiked down to the Lucia ruins later that afternoon and the next morning. The ruins are on the sloping bench in the center.

IMG_1592 by tomteske, on Flickr

Gary descending the trail to the ruins.

IMG_1621 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1638 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1597 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1604 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1627 by tomteske, on Flickr

Couple broken metates and the base of a beat up obsidian Cottonwood point.

IMG_1647 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1652 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1649 by tomteske, on Flickr

Couple morteros.

IMG_1605 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1607 by tomteske, on Flickr

We headed up Alamo Canyon and the trail was pretty obvious the first bit but then kind of disappeared. Fireplace maybe 100ft from the ruins.

IMG_1669 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1673 by tomteske, on Flickr

Rock walls are somewhat hard to see in this pic but suspect they are actually a corral.

IMG_1687 by tomteske, on Flickr

On the way out Sunday afternoon (Randy left early due to not feeling well and Gary and Yoks spent another night) came across a couple boulders with petroglyphs. Rockhopper's videos show two more petro sites I missed.

IMG_1728 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1720 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1723 by tomteske, on Flickr

Made it back to the car in the dark, about 18 miles and a nice start to the backpacking season. Thanks to Yoks, Gary and Randy for the invite. Enjoy!

IMG_1737 by tomteske, on Flickr
edited by tommy750 on 11/6/2022
11/4/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

Britain
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I live on the south side of 8. The houses are built these 5 ft high berms. The street had 3 ft of water . All the storm drains were plugged with dirt from previous storms. Most of El Centro was flooded.

I want to check out the carrizo creek area where the water runs through prob ht the gorge area also later this month.
11/4/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

tommy750
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Was out the next day and S2 was washed out with lots of debris still covering every wash that crossed the road. Didn't get any railroad pics but do have a few from the Tropical Storm Kathleen booklet by James L. Larson which is still floating around the internet.

Rain1 by tomteske, on Flickr

Ocotillo Kathleen by tomteske, on Flickr

Rain2 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0387 by tomteske, on Flickr

Twist Kathleen by tomteske, on Flickr

Bridge Kathleen by tomteske, on Flickr

Myer Kathleen by tomteske, on Flickr
11/4/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

railexplorer
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No word on the line through the gorge. It wouldn't surprise me if there was some damage. I'm looking for a window in my schedule to get out there in the next couple of weeks.

With the desert season now open in itching to get out there.
11/4/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

dsefcik
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dsefcik
dsefcik
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Topic: Tropical Storm Kay aftermath
Any reports of tracks getting taken out in the gorge? Landslides etc?
11/4/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

rockhopper
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Great timing on the weather. Nice trip and photos. Thanks for sharing.
11/4/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

rockhopper
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railexplorer wrote:
Brian wrote:
I know hurricane Kathleen wiped out part of the line in that area in 1976. I wonder if it was the same spot.



This area is part of the line was taken out by Kathleen.


I was thinking the same thing. Thanks for sharing.
11/4/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

Rocko1
Rocko1
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tommy750 wrote:
NIce TR, Rocko1. Is that a Zpacks Duplex tent? Looks familiar. Have been packing the Altaplex the past few years and definitely like the weight but setting up the ten guylines is a speck annoying at the end of the day. Glad you got out.



It's a Plex Solo. First outing with it. It was a horrible pitch due to the uneven, limited space I chose to setup on. 14oz. I had the pocket tarp but sold that as it was just too small for me. The lines can be a little annoying, but I think the trade off is worth it.
11/3/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

railexplorer
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Brian wrote:
I know hurricane Kathleen wiped out part of the line in that area in 1976. I wonder if it was the same spot.



This area is part of the line was taken out by Kathleen.
11/3/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

railexplorer
railexplorer
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tekewin wrote:
Umm, not a rumor, that's a washout.

Good find!
edited by tekewin on 11/2/2022


Thanks..... Definitely not a rumor.
11/3/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

tommy750
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NIce TR, Rocko1. Is that a Zpacks Duplex tent? Looks familiar. Have been packing the Altaplex the past few years and definitely like the weight but setting up the ten guylines is a speck annoying at the end of the day. Glad you got out.
11/3/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

Rocko1
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Andy wrote:
Looks like a great trip with nice weather. Interesting point about the pinyons growing in the shade of boulders. Those trees have always been such a special and unique site in the desert and it’s a shame to witness their demise. The natural rock wall that you found… Is that natural as in nature made or is it a dry stack wall like it appears? Very neat. Thanks!



The wall is natural and there were several in that area of varying 'quality'.

Yeah, I have soft spot for the Pinyons for some reason. Seeing them die off from year to year is very troubling. Trees that were apparently healthy one year are dead and fallen over the next. With little to no new trees growing, it won't be long before there are not any except on Rabbit which is outside the park.
11/3/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

Rocko1
Rocko1
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tekewin wrote:
Awesome trip! The Wilson are is really nice.

Where did you find the Vega BM? It's not listed in Peakbagger. It must be in the area, but you found a thing.

Sunset shot is perfect.


Thanks. The Vega marker was literally 10' from my tent. It's on the ridge near the 4095 elevation mark, 1.4 miles east from the Wilson trail/Old Culp Valley Jeep road junction. I was looking for a place to sit and eat dinner and while putting my sit pad down I saw it. It's on an insignificant ridge. I have not seen these types of markers. Someone on facebook said 'Internal survey done by the California State Park System. First one I stumbled upon was White Peak in Ranchita'. That ridge, while not having any flat place to sleep, does give good views to the east and west. Cowboy camping would be good as you could find a 6'x2' piece of dirt to lay on.
11/2/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

Brian
Brian
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Great trip report and pics. Definitely a lot more green than when I was there in 2016.
11/2/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

Brian
Brian
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I know hurricane Kathleen wiped out part of the line in that area in 1976. I wonder if it was the same spot.
11/2/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

tekewin
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Umm, not a rumor, that's a washout.

Good find!
edited by tekewin on 11/2/2022
11/2/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

tekewin
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Awesome trip! The Wilson are is really nice.

Where did you find the Vega BM? It's not listed in Peakbagger. It must be in the area, but you found a thing.

Sunset shot is perfect.
11/2/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

tekewin
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tekewin
tekewin
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
rockhopper wrote:
Nice rock scramble! Fantastic views. Thanks for posting the trail report and for kicking of the desert hiking season. I need to get in gear!



Let's go!
11/2/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

Andy
Andy
Posts: 12
Looks like a great trip with nice weather. Interesting point about the pinyons growing in the shade of boulders. Those trees have always been such a special and unique site in the desert and it’s a shame to witness their demise. The natural rock wall that you found… Is that natural as in nature made or is it a dry stack wall like it appears? Very neat. Thanks!
11/2/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

Rocko1
Rocko1
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Crazy.
11/2/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge and Wilson BM

Rocko1
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I finally got back to AB for an overnighter. Plan was to park in Culp Valley near the road and hike in and grab Wilson BM and Pinyon Ridge and scout around for a place to camp. If I had enough left in the tank I considered dropping down to see the guzzler and maybe hitting Yaqui Peak. I had pushed the previous weeks trip forward due to the high wind warning-it worked out perfect as there was nothing over 5mph or so the entire time I was here.

I parked off Old Culp Valley road about a mile or so in from S22. I used the jeep road some and cross country mostly.




Natural rock wall


Spam and brews



The ramp


View to the west from Pinyon Ridge-didn’t see any markers up here.


Headed off trail to Wilson. A healthy Pinyon surrounded by boulders that undoubtedly has kept it healthy by shading the ground around it. Most of the few remaining Pinyons have similar surrounding-their base is covered or shaded by large boulders.


Wilson BM


Oldest register date was 1992. Last person was here a week ago.

Continued east following a drainage. Whale rock.


The 8L of water was wearing on me and my knee had a few moments where I knew the trip to the guzzler was probably out-that is a 4.4 mile 1,800’+/- addition. While it wasn’t warm-70 maybe, I for some reason I couldn’t get enough water.


Looking south towards Grapevine and Granite


East down the eastward slope towards Yaqui.




Countless dead Pinyons mostly seem to be from the fire.


Pinyon and Whale


I spent more time putzing around the ridge and decided to hike back to the west and find a camp closer to my starting point. Found small section on the ridge overlooking Culp. Not ideal but it was a fantastic view.


While eating dinner I looked down and saw this marker.




Great night, low was 46, 2-5mph breeze, coyotes howling, owls nearby.



Hiked back to the car by following the drainage and over a few humps. If you are into boulders, this is your place.

Trip total was 18 miles, 3,000ft gain/loss. 8L of water consumed. Based on what I saw if there were 30 live Pinyon trees on the entire ridge that would be generous. I saw 10. No saplings or young trees.

One balloon












Album
https://imgur.com/a/SuRV4PN
edited by Rocko1 on 11/2/2022
11/2/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

rockhopper
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Nice rock scramble! Fantastic views. Thanks for posting the trail report and for kicking of the desert hiking season. I need to get in gear!
11/1/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

dsefcik
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dsefcik
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Topic: Tropical Storm Kay aftermath
Wow.... suspension bridge now...
11/1/2022
Topic:
Tropical Storm Kay aftermath

railexplorer
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A few weeks ago my son and I took a quick trip out to check on a rumored washout of the railroad tracks at the mouth of Myer's creek. Here's what we found.








11/1/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

ziphius
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ziphius
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
Nice-looking trip. On my to-do list.
10/31/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

tekewin
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tekewin
tekewin
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
Buford wrote:
Nice. The pictures definitely capture the terrain well. Great start to the desert season. That invasive fountain grass in the pictures is everywhere now. Sounds like the dirt road was open? It's been gated the last couple times I've been back there and was forced to park at the paved curve in the road.

I've done the route you just did and was also surprised at the amount of normal grass on the slopes. Kept it from being too loose but was slippery in it's own way. Another time I came up Henderson Canyon to the Palm Mesa high point, then traversed down to Indianhead hitting all the high points along the way before dropping down to Henderson again.



I remember your report on Henderson Canyon. I actually looked at the rest of the canyon route last night on Google Earth. Looks fun. Making that entire giant loop, not as fun. I went to Palm Mesa High Point from the west via north fork. That was memorable because my partner got double quad cramps on the Palm Mesa summit. Made for a long, tense, return trip. No rescue, so success!


It was pre-dawn when I arrived at the intersection. There was an open dirt road to the Jeep and I just kept going north. I didn't notice any signs, but that doesn't mean they were not there.
10/31/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

Buford
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Buford
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
Nice. The pictures definitely capture the terrain well. Great start to the desert season. That invasive fountain grass in the pictures is everywhere now. Sounds like the dirt road was open? It's been gated the last couple times I've been back there and was forced to park at the paved curve in the road.

I've done the route you just did and was also surprised at the amount of normal grass on the slopes. Kept it from being too loose but was slippery in it's own way. Another time I came up Henderson Canyon to the Palm Mesa high point, then traversed down to Indianhead hitting all the high points along the way before dropping down to Henderson again.
10/31/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

tekewin
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tekewin
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
Rocko1 wrote:
That looks like one tough hike. Did they lift the ban on drones for AB?



Indianhead is a pretty tough hike, but it's not an epic like Rabbit or Dawns.

And a great big mea culpa on the drone. Still banned. I feel pretty dumb for not doing a 2 second google search on this beforehand. So that was the first and last flight in the park.


The laws are a complex mix of federal, state, local, and FAA.


Here is the CA state park rule:
Drones are currently allowed in State Parks, State Beaches, State Historic Parks, State Recreational Areas, and State Vehicular Recreation Areas except where prohibited by a District Superintendent’s posted order.

But I'm not making an excuse. It was a mistake and I should have known.

I don't think anyone was harmed, or annoyed, or heard it, or saw it since I was alone on top of Indianhead.


As an aside, my understanding of the general rules:
National Parks - no

National Monuments - no
Within 5 miles of an airport - no
National Forests - yes, except where prohibited by an order
CA state parks - yes, except where prohibited by an order
BLM land - yes, except where prohibited by an order
10/31/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

Rocko1
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Rocko1
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
That looks like one tough hike. Did they lift the ban on drones for AB?
10/31/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

tekewin
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tekewin
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
Brian wrote:
Great pics. S Summit doesn't look like a place I'd be comfortable (fear of heights kicking in just from your video).



I think it looks far worse than it is. Definitely worth a few minutes to check out if you trudge all the way up there.
10/30/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

Brian
Brian
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Brian
Brian
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
Great pics. S Summit doesn't look like a place I'd be comfortable (fear of heights kicking in just from your video).
10/30/2022
Topic:
Indianhead North Ridge

tekewin
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tekewin
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Topic: Indianhead North Ridge
It's desert season! I started this year by visiting Indianhead for the second time. My first trip was in 2013 following DPS route B, up Palm Canyon then back along the southwest ridge. This time I tried the north ridge. I drove to the intersection of Borrego Springs and Henderson Canyon, then followed the dirt road past the Jeep statue as far as north as it went. I followed a use trail up a wash toward Henderson Canyon. Approaching the main gully, I noticed some bones of a bighorn scattered around. A brief search revealed an intact skull, a spine, and a couple of legs with flesh still clinging above the hoof. The kill didn't look recent. Just right of the gully, I started climbing in the shade of the mountain. The ground was littered with large boulders, low vegetation, and a surprising amount of grass. The north side must retain water long enough for the slopes to be grassy instead of barren like the south side. This helped with traction as it grew increasingly steep.


Golden hour, summit not visible yet










Easy walk to the summit from here

The route crossed some of the minor ridges to avoid the worst terrain. There was a lot of low level scrambling, but only a couple of moves I'd consider class 3. The slope continued to get steeper near the top and some of the boulders grew to the size of shipping containers. Multiple registers filled a plastic container. I signed the newest one, the previous entry from March. After taking some photos/videos, I headed for the south summit, a prow jutting into space. I had not visited it on my first trip. A faint use trail traced the bottom of the angled slabs and it was easy to get to the high point. It had a dramatic precipice and view. While there is no easy way to the top of Indianhead, the north ridge seemed easier than DPS route B. That impression might be due to having more experience now. The north ridge does provide shade in the morning, so requires less water. Indianhead remains one of my favorite desert peaks.


South summit


San Ysidro East


Looking down from south summit




Heading back down the north ridge


edited by tekewin on 10/31/2022
10/19/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge

Rocko1
Rocko1
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Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
Topic: Pinyon Ridge
dsefcik wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
I think I am heading out here this weekend for an overnight. Do you recall seeing any live Pinyons up there Daren?


Can't recall specifically but would believe so, Pinyons are all over out there.

Thanks. I thought I recall someone saying most if not all were dead in this area but I can't find that post.
10/19/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
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dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2562
Topic: Pinyon Ridge
Rocko1 wrote:
I think I am heading out here this weekend for an overnight. Do you recall seeing any live Pinyons up there Daren?


Can't recall specifically but would believe so, Pinyons are all over out there.
10/19/2022
Topic:
Pinyon Ridge

Rocko1
Rocko1
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Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 545
Topic: Pinyon Ridge
I think I am heading out here this weekend for an overnight. Do you recall seeing any live Pinyons up there Daren?
9/13/2022
Topic:
Upcoming Pinto Canyon Hike

Britain
Britain
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davidwyby wrote:
I think I am the "one person" Britain referred to. Pretty epic one day hike. I'd like to go back and explore Pinto more. Once side canyon had water running out of it...

Yes indeed you are.
9/13/2022
Topic:
How not to get stuck?

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Bigger tire, smaller wheel helps too. Often you can go a little over stock size without much modification. In sand, size is more important than tread type. You want a tough tire with mild tread. Definitely not a small aggressive tire!
9/13/2022
Topic:
How not to get stuck?

davidwyby
davidwyby
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These are good to keep in the 4x4 for recovering small cars without tow points. Amazon.com: RuggedTow 4 Pack Grade 70 R T J Cluster Hook, Mini J, R and T Universal Towing Attachment - 4700 lbs : Automotive

Tundras seem to have snappy throttle response which makes them prone to spin and sink. SUVs tend to do better due to more weight in the back and link vs. leaf spring suspension.

Kinetic straps are worth the price. I have pulled out two motorhomes with 4runners with them.

Tire pressure is #1. If it ain't bulging, it ain't aired down. 2wd in sand...I'd probably end up 15-20 psi front, 10 rear. I carry a C02 bottle to air back up.
9/13/2022
Topic:
Pinyons and Wreckage

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
I'm going to bet aircraft. Fair bit of what looks like aluminum and titanium. Locking/safety pinned nuts, I'd expect to find some safety wired bolts in there. Spindle looks like landing gear.
9/13/2022
Topic:
Upcoming Pinto Canyon Hike

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
I think I am the "one person" Britain referred to. Pretty epic one day hike. I'd like to go back and explore Pinto more. Once side canyon had water running out of it...
9/13/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Unfortunately, I have been seeing more and more dead trees in the area I frequent.
9/13/2022
Topic:
Hi there!

tekewin
tekewin
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tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 330
Topic: Hi there!
Welcome to the forum! Lots of great people and info here and it will get more traffic as the weather cools.

AB is one of my favorite places to hike. Like you said, a lot less crowded than most places even during peak months.


I just did 6582 at the end of March as a day hike. It was already a little warm. One of the most difficult hikes in AB, but amazing scenery all the way.
9/13/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
I very much like those mountains. Have spent a lot of weekends up there for over 10 years. Good escape from this desert heat.
9/13/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Topic: McCain Valley
I used to really like McCain...I know a spot where water runs through boulder caves sometimes. Found it once when I was out too far too long in the heat, very nice. Need to get up there again and give it another chance.
9/13/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Topic: Cuyamaca
Nice find.
9/11/2022
Topic:
Hi there!

Buford
Buford
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Buford
Buford
Posts: 423
Topic: Hi there!
Welcome! As someone else mentioned, there will probably be more posts as it cools off. Lots of people on here spend a lot of time in Anza Borrego. I haven't driven the old Coyote Canyon route but I've mountain biked it years ago.

A number of people on here have hiked many peaks in the area including 6582. I've only done Schad's route to 6582. It is a step up in difficulty from the standard Villager route. Imagine doing Villager from Clark Dry Lake up one of the ribs instead of the easy ridge trail.
9/10/2022
Topic:
Hi there!

rockhopper
rockhopper
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rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 654
Topic: Hi there!
Welcome,
As Brian mentioned, a little slow here during the triple digits out in the deserts. You will find the brain trust here has a wealth of information of the surrounding wilderness in and around ABDSP. Much thanks to our host for making this forum possible. I first came into the Anza Borrego valley in the 1960's. Came out after the 6.6 1968 Borrego mountain E.Q. and have been hiking the region ever since. I too rode up in a 4x4 up Coyote canyon all the way through up to Anza back in the day. 6582 has been on my list after climbing Rabbit and Villiger also. The preferred route is up from Clark Lake. Maybe next season? I have been spending most of my time exploring the east side of the Santa Rosas past few seasons. Again welcome.

Peak 6582 or Dawns peak on the upper right. Photo taken from Martinez canyon.


edited by rockhopper on 9/10/2022
9/9/2022
Topic:
Hi there!

Brian
Brian
Posts: 162
Brian
Brian
Posts: 162
Topic: Hi there!
Welcome to the site. It's a little dead here in the summer months but will pick up during the cooler season. I'm sadly not in good enough shape to tackle peak 6582 myself, but I've been in the "neighborhood." Having done a significant portion of Schad's suggested approach route, I think if I ever were to do it I'd approach from Rockhouse Canyon instead. Slightly longer but much less demanding. I know several people here have summited it from various routes, so hopefully they will chime in.




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