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38 min ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

rockhopper
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Short Cot story. A buddy and I did a two week trip down Baja in his Toyota pick up with a camper shell. Since it was his truck he slept in the back and I got to sleep out side for two weeks. I brought a cot. No tent. Just a cot and sleeping bag. Star gazing was terrific! But man, hearing all of the wild life running around at night kept me up more than once. Freakyest time was camping near the beach was hearing hundreds of crabs crawling all around and underneath me.
edited by rockhopper on 5/23/2017
9 hours ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

cercidium
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have you considered a cot? i've been using the same cot since 2003 and wouldn't trade it for anything. the only drawback—if i struggled to find one—is you're a little cooler in winter when cold air surrounds you. summer, on the other hand, keeps you a bit cooler for the same reason. comfort-wise they're somewhere between a hammock and a bed. backpacking with a cot? forget about it!
14 hours ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

RobMay
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I recently bought an Big Agnes HV UL2 ultralight 2 man tent that weighs under 3 lbs. has doors on both sides and a rain fly. Its light and easy to set up. I haven't been in a heavy rain storm yet because I avoid bad weather when possible. It has good air flow especially when the rainfly is off. Also you can set it up with just the rainfly if you just need shelter from the sun. I just hiked Section A on the PCT with it and it's been great. It cost about $340 on Moosejaw.com.
23 hours ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

sddarkman619
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I have the rei minimalist bivy they don't make anymore, no support rod for the chest area though, works great. but I think I am going to get a lightweight tent.
1 days ago
Topic:
Another Desert Iguana...last one of the season.

Britain
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When I was younger I hung around a group where every summer we were in the sierras. We packed steel weights into the packs in winter hikes to build up the legs for the weight required for a 5 day trip. Recently I hooked up with one of those friends to do Jacumba from Montero. He had the steel weighs. I told him this was going to rather steep. I on the other hand started using freezer zip bags full of sand. Needless to say near the ridge line he died. Were both mid 60's. now, me I just dumped the sand out. I still pack some weight. When on the longer hikes I only pack one extra lens 10-17 wide. Here in the desert most of my weight on an over nighter is water. My daily backpack is a 60ltr a large pack stuffed full of things but I hold the weight to 30lbs.
1 days ago
Topic:
Another Desert Iguana...last one of the season.

surfponto
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I agree , great picture.
1 days ago
Topic:
Another Desert Iguana...last one of the season.

tekewin
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Your photos are incredible. I appreciate everyone who lugs around an SLR and gets superior results like this. As much as I'd love to take these kinds of shots, I can't get myself to spend the money or carry the extra weight.
2 days ago
Topic:
Burrowing Owls

Britain
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Topic: Burrowing Owls
That works. Almost picked up the same a while back. Here's mine sort of. But mounts to the strap. Selfie wife and I.

edited by Britain on 5/21/2017
2 days ago
Topic:
Burrowing Owls

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Topic: Burrowing Owls
This is my usual DSLR carry system...right on the sternum strap.



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2 days ago
Topic:
Burrowing Owls

Britain
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Topic: Burrowing Owls
Carrying a camera sometimes can be a pain. I use the Capture pro. Mounts onto your backpack harness. Has a quick release to remove and snap away. Keeps camera from swaying back and forth and keeps it out of the way. For me, holds my full size SLR and a medium zoom (17-105). Other lens go in backpack. Before I got the clip, camera stayed in backpack or at home.. If you don't have quick access to camera the good stuff gets away.
https://www.peakdesign.com/capturepro
edited by Britain on 5/21/2017
2 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

dsefcik
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Topic: Sleeping with Snakes?
I use the military Gore-Tex bivy usually but recently bought an OR Helium Bivy for longer trips since it is much lighter weight and packs smaller and it has worked well and keeps the bugs off.
2 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

dsefcik
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Topic: Sleeping with Snakes?
Another option for fair weather is just an open air bug tent, I have the old version of one of these Bug Hut shelters and used it a few times in the past.

There is also a full length Bug Bivy, I have an older version that I don't use anymmore.
2 days ago
Topic:
Burrowing Owls

dsefcik
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Topic: Burrowing Owls
Very nice, I have never actually seen one out in the field. I need to start taking my digital camera and zoom lens out again, you have given me a little motivation.
3 days ago
Topic:
Burrowing Owls

Britain
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Topic: Burrowing Owls
Really like photographing these. @ the desert museum near Ocotilllo there will be an "Evening with the Expert" May go to this.
“Evening with an Expert” is on June 17th. This one will feature Marie Barret, a local wildlife biologist with over 20 years experience working with birds of the Imperial Valley. She will be talking about her work with the burrowing owl. RSVPs are required, and the suggested
http://www.ivdesertmuseum.org/index.php/ceramic-art-program/


3 days ago
Topic:
Another Desert Iguana...last one of the season.

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3 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

rockhopper
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I always use my North Face tent now. I used to bivy on the ground until I got tick bites once, got rained on once, and heard critters running around my head at nite. I don't mind carrying the extra few pounds even on an over nighter. All in all the lower elevation you go the lessand less you need a tent. ( No ticks, snow, etc.) IMHO
3 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

sddarkman619
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hahaha...lesser of 3 evils?
So they crawls into your bivy or when you aren't using a bivy? I have a bivy but I don't always close it.
3 days ago
Topic:
Oriflame to Cottonwood Canyon 3 day BP

sddarkman619
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So that shelter in the photos is the altaplex? Yeah I like tents too because they keep the bugs and snakes out. but just thinking lighter and adventurous. smile
3 days ago
Topic:
Oriflame to Cottonwood Canyon 3 day BP

tommy750
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sddarkman619 wrote:
what shelter is that? a Tarptent? Looking for a shelter.
where did you park vehicles so they weren't messed with?
Nice writeup thanks for sharing!
edited by sddarkman619 on 5/20/2017


Got an altaplex tent from zpacks.com last year and really like it. It weighs in at 18 oz making it lighter than a lot of bivy sacks. If you're not too tall, their solplex is less than a pound. I like tents because they keep bugs away but obviously there's pros and cons.

We left our vehicles at the Camp Hark ruins. Never have had any problems leaving a vehicle at local sites but not sure about others' experiences.
3 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

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Topic: Sleeping with Snakes?
Been sleeping on the ground for years, never had a problem with snakes. Mosquitoes can be a problem more than anything else but you can use a flip out net or get a bivy with a built in net. I use a military bivy that the top does not seal up closed, only just flips over. I use and like it mostly for wind protection and to keep cactus off my expensive sleeping bag. I have had several occasions though were I will wake up and find a scorpion or tarantula between my bag and sleep pad.



3 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping with Snakes?

sddarkman619
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I've been thinking about camping in the desert and what about shelters or snake sin the sleeping bag?
If you use a bivy or just a tarp type shelter what's to stop the snakes from cuddling up with you at night and you waking up to a kiss from one?
My thoughts were having an enclosed tent/shelter so they can't get in, but what if you don't want to be in a tent? Close your bivy? but that gets hot too.
Your thoughts/suggestions?
3 days ago
Topic:
Oriflame to Cottonwood Canyon 3 day BP

sddarkman619
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what shelter is that? a Tarptent? Looking for a shelter.
where did you park vehicles so they weren't messed with?
Nice writeup thanks for sharing!
edited by sddarkman619 on 5/20/2017
4 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Britain
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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
dsefcik wrote:
I may have gotten a blooper edition, my cover (same as in that link I posted) says "Fourth Edition" but inside it says "Third Edition"


Just received my copy, Cover Fourth Edition..Inside "Thrid" haha edition. Chris signed it for me. Now have this and All the Wild and Lonely Places. Will start digging in now.
6 days ago
Topic:
How Accessible is Coyote Canyon Rd?

RobMay
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I didn't have any trouble getting through. High clearance and four wheel drive are mandatory. The road towards Alder Canyon was faster than Coyote Creek wash if your heading towards Bailey's Cabin. Drove up Horse Canyon and Alder Canyon as well without issue. We cleaned up a shopping bag worth of trash around the cabin including clay pigeon fragments. Someone shot the no camping sign entering Upper Willows wash with a shotgun. Is shooting allowed in the park? Also, there is a breach in the fence into Upper Willows. A jeep came driving down the wash but they turned around after I told them they weren't supposed to be there. The weather was nice and as always I wished I had more time to explore.
edited by RobMay on 5/17/2017
7 days ago
Topic:
How Accessible is Coyote Canyon Rd?

Borregolinda
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Been heavily traveled this season. Haven't been in a while but friends tell us is accessible.
8 days ago
Topic:
What footwear do you use for desert hiking?

dsefcik
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Topic: What footwear do you use for desert hiking?
I have been using Asolo boots for years, I like them and usually get them cheap on Sierra Trading Post. I prefer heavy boots though with Vibram type soles to keep cactus out, I have had cactus go right thru the sole of light weight trail hiking type shoes/boots but much of my travel in the desert is cross country and bush whacking. If I do wear some low cut shoes and shorts Dirty Girl Gaiters are wrapped around my ankles.
edited by dsefcik on 5/15/2017
8 days ago
Topic:
What footwear do you use for desert hiking?

RobMay
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I wear Vasque hiking boots too. As Buford stated previously, they are durable and I like the protection. As for weight slowing you down, there are few maintained trails so your speed is already going to be slow because of sand, rocks, cactus, and yucca.
8 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

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Topic: Villager Peak
Buford wrote:
Everyone goes through different amounts of water. 2G sounds like more than enough to me, but everyone is different.

I agree, sunrise from the ridge is awesome. It can be very cold up there though.

It is basically a trail to Villager. Hard to call it a cross country route.


Thanks. In the books I have read it's made out to be hard to follow the trail with few visitors, but reading blogs, etc. it seems many more people visit this than I expected.
8 days ago
Topic:
What footwear do you use for desert hiking?

Buford
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Whatever footwear is comfortable to you.

Some like trail runners for lightweight and flexibility. Some like heavy boots for protection and durability.

I use trail runners or similar light hiking low tops with Dirty Girl gaiters even off trail. I wear the tread flat in <8 months.
8 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

Buford
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Topic: Villager Peak
Everyone goes through different amounts of water. 2G sounds like more than enough to me, but everyone is different.

I agree, sunrise from the ridge is awesome. It can be very cold up there though.

It is basically a trail to Villager. Hard to call it a cross country route.
8 days ago
Topic:
What footwear do you use for desert hiking?

Britain
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For me I like to protect my arch so I like a stiff sole. Currently have Vasque Bitterroot and at 500 miles on them may see only one more season. They have held up well in rocks and ab0ut everywhere. They are not a light hiking boot. Purchased ant Adventure 16 in San Diego.
edited by Britain on 5/15/2017
8 days ago
Topic:
What footwear do you use for desert hiking?

Rocko1
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Curious what footwear everyone is wearing while hiking through the desert. My trail runners and light hiking boots seem to really take a beating.
8 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

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Topic: Villager Peak
rockhopper wrote:
When are you going? Darens right, nothing like waking up on a remote Santa Rosa mountain peak. However bring LOTS of water! We are technically past the peak climbing season for Rabbit peak as the desert heats up. Be careful if you go. Go early and gain elevation to beat the heat. You can also night climb under a full moon with headlamp. Nov.- April is my favorite time to go. Snow is often available if timed right.
edited by rockhopper on 5/15/2017


I will probably wait until after the heat of summer. Trying to plan the hike-gear to take etc. I plan on camping near the peak one night, hike back in after dawn. 2 gallons of water should be enough if the temps are cool enough, no?
8 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

rockhopper
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Topic: Villager Peak
When are you going? Darens right, nothing like waking up on a remote Santa Rosa mountain peak. However bring LOTS of water! We are technically past the peak climbing season for Rabbit peak as the desert heats up. Be careful if you go. Go early and gain elevation to beat the heat. You can also night climb under a full moon with headlamp. Nov.- April is my favorite time to go. Snow is often available if timed right.
edited by rockhopper on 5/15/2017
8 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

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I had a similar situation yesterday when I was hiking in Upper Coyote Canyon. A couple in a jeep came driving down the wash in Upper Willows. They asked if it was possible to drive through to Borrego Springs! Seriously! It was hard to be polite but I told them they weren't supposed to be there in a motorized vehicle and that it was CLEARLY marked before they entered. They did the right thing and turned around and left. Do you report breached areas to the visitor's center?
8 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

Rocko1
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Topic: Villager Peak
dsefcik wrote:
Personally I would recommend an overnight trip, spend the night up on Rabbit (or nearby with a view of the Salton Sea) and watch the sunrise over the Salton Sea, that is one of my favorites for sure, anywhere up on the Rosa's watching the sunrise is magical.


I'd like to see that. Thanks.
10 days ago
Topic:
Devils Canyon Ruins

Britain
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Topic: Devils Canyon Ruins
Has anyone else found these? They are not in the canyon but from them you can see the canyon. You cant see them from the canyon because of the growth. Stacked stones. Appears it may have been a building from long ago. Here's a picture of a friend ( we were goofing around playing cowboys and indians, his brother is checking them out.

edited by Britain on 5/13/2017
edited by Britain on 5/13/2017
10 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Wash Petroglyphs

tommy750
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Topic: Pinto Wash Petroglyphs
Britain wrote:
Does anyone know how the Indians laid to rest their dead?


My understanding is by cremation with the remains then buried or sometimes placed in ollas and hidden. This would be true for the late prehistoric period but not before that and maybe not after European contact.
10 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Wash Petroglyphs

tommy750
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Topic: Pinto Wash Petroglyphs
Rocko1 wrote:
Is it considered safe to hike this area?



Guess it all depends on one's level of risk aversion. Have yet to see a single person on any hike I've done in Davies Valley/Pinto Canyon including BP. Have bumped into BP in Boulder and Myer Creek a lot. Suspect most of the cross border traffic occurs at night and that's my reason I've only day hiked there or anywhere south of I-8. Been wanting to head out there again for years but just haven't got around to it.
10 days ago
Topic:
Strange things you find in the desert.

Britain
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Not a strange find but cool never less. My dads family moved to Carlsbad NM in 1925. So on vacation we usually went to Carlsbad for a week or so. Did one of the Rattle snake round ups. But in 1965 we did a 5 day horse back pack to an area my dad and his dad used to go. Its an area that cattle are roaming about. One of his friends had a ranch and loaned us the horses. It was a 2 day trip to this area. Fishing and hunting. There were some old ruins. My dad said when he was a kid him and his brother used to spend time exploring them. The day I was there , there was this piece of chain sticking out of the ground. I pulled it up...leg irons! From what I can researched made from 1860-1890. No one knows who created the ruins. Still got the irons.

edited by Britain on 5/13/2017
10 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

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Topic: Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage
And BTW, motorcycles are ALWAYS out there, usually heading for the RR tracks.
10 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

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Topic: Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage
Don should be at Upper Coyote this year...Ranger Mike I believe is at the Bow Willow area but reports to any of them will get to the correct person.
10 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

Britain
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This year we caught a bunch of vehicles at the end of the trail past powder house in the Indian hill area near the tracks. Took pictures of vehicles and plates, gps location and sent to park. I believe Ranger Don handles this side of the park. This is a protected area. Seems like they all had permits to camp at Bow Willow. Don't know what the out come was.

Heres a Picture of Ranger Don repairing the fence to that area the year before. Just ticks me off.

edited by Britain on 5/13/2017
edited by Britain on 5/13/2017
10 days ago
Topic:
What do you do with found artifacts?

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There are items which can be collected. Parks and Federal lands have regulations to what can or can not be collected. Such as in the Yuha, there is a limit on the oyster shells that can be collected. Indian artifacts have strict regulations. It is best to check with the park or federal lands you may be on. There may even be restrictions on rock collecting.
10 days ago
Topic:
My Ride

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Topic: My Ride
That took some skill!

sddarkman619 wrote:
LOVE that hill.
here's my ride going down...
Britain let me know when you are going out, I might join you sometime. That is if you are ok with Tacomas. smile



Feel free to view in full screen.
10 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

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Topic: Villager Peak
Personally I would recommend an overnight trip, spend the night up on Rabbit (or nearby with a view of the Salton Sea) and watch the sunrise over the Salton Sea, that is one of my favorites for sure, anywhere up on the Rosa's watching the sunrise is magical.
10 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

rockhopper
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Topic: Villager Peak
The southern route is the most popular as Daren mentioned. Villager is a great day hike. Rabbit Peak is a very long day hike. Bring a head lamp. btw Rabbit can be climbed from the east up Barton canyon. That was my favorite route.
10 days ago
Topic:
My Ride

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Topic: My Ride
sddarkman619 wrote:
LOVE that hill.
here's my ride going down...
Britain let me know when you are going out, I might join you sometime. That is if you are ok with Tacomas. smile



Feel free to view in full screen.


Nice truck. Looks like 'the squeeze' may have gotten your doors?
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
dsefcik wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
Bought a signed (yeah, that's how I roll smile ) copy of Wray's book at the Desert View Tower a few years ago. Just called over there and they say they're sold out and can't get Chris to get them any more. Anyone know how the third edition differs from the prior one??
What I remember was he updated some photos, added more GPS coordinates and I think he added more places/info...but I had that conversation over a year ago with him. When you order direct he will sign the book by name to you if you ask...8-)



Thanks for the update, Daren. Have to admit that book is a favorite and always refer to it with trip planning.
11 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Wash Petroglyphs

Britain
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Ran into some local tribe members there in 1999. From what I understand that the area in Pinto wash with all the petros was an old burial ground. I had a BP living next door and we spent a lot of time there and surrounding area back then. As far as safety when your next to the border there's always a risk. I never had any problems though. Check in with any border patrol you find they will tell you if there's been any issues. Does anyone know how the Indians laid to rest their dead?
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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I may have gotten a blooper edition, my cover (same as in that link I posted) says "Fourth Edition" but inside it says "Third Edition"
11 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

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Topic: Villager Peak
Expect a worn path to Villager and mostly to Rabbit, it is a popular destination.
11 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Wash Petroglyphs

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Topic: Pinto Wash Petroglyphs
Is it considered safe to hike this area?
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
tommy750 wrote:
Bought a signed (yeah, that's how I roll smile ) copy of Wray's book at the Desert View Tower a few years ago. Just called over there and they say they're sold out and can't get Chris to get them any more. Anyone know how the third edition differs from the prior one??
What I remember was he updated some photos, added more GPS coordinates and I think he added more places/info...but I had that conversation over a year ago with him. When you order direct he will sign the book by name to you if you ask...8-)
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Britain
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Chris did say he just got a new batch in. I told him checks in the mail. Ordered a few books posted here for summer reading while the desert heats up and cooks.
edited by Britain on 5/12/2017
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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tommy750 wrote:
Bought a signed (yeah, that's how I roll smile ) copy of Wray's book at the Desert View Tower a few years ago. Just called over there and they say they're sold out and can't get Chris to get them any more. Anyone know how the third edition differs from the prior one??


Not sure about the editions, but he said yesterday he has another 'batch' coming out. Not sure if that's for him to sell himself or what.
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
Bought a signed (yeah, that's how I roll smile ) copy of Wray's book at the Desert View Tower a few years ago. Just called over there and they say they're sold out and can't get Chris to get them any more. Anyone know how the third edition differs from the prior one??
11 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

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Topic: Villager Peak
Has anyone here made it to Villager Peak and or Rabbit Peak? Looking for your experience, trail condition, etc.
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
Rocko1 wrote:
I'd love to read that book, but $50 is a bit steep for me.
It is somewhat expensive but it has a ton of info, I personally think value wise it is worth the money..but that is me.
11 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

Rocko1
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Dartman wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
Dartman wrote:
Unbelievable. When was it discovered? My son and I just camped there on April 29-30 and it was spotless. All we could manage for our "leave it cleaner than you found it" was a bottle cap.


Did you camp at the end of the road? It may have been cleaned since I was there a 4 weeks or so ago.


I presume it is the same spot. This is the turn off to the right at the top of Pinyon Mountain Rd before it starts dropping down toward the Squeeze. I will try to attach a couple of pics.

"", ""
edited by Dartman on 5/9/2017


There is actually a spot even more south than where you were-10-20 yards?. The road sort of go up in elevation a bit. It's west of that where the garbage was.
11 days ago
Topic:
What do you do with found artifacts?

Rocko1
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Buford wrote:
I always leave them where I found them. I would never take it home, ever. Period.

If it is notable I take a picture.

I appreciate museums, and the fact they protect things forever. I am uncomfortable that museums vacuum up artifacts and take away someone's else's joy of discovery in the wild.

I would be very upset if an artifact I left in the wild was poached and taken home by someone. I also would not be thrilled if it was taken by a museum and stored in a closet in perpetuity.

I know there are still mostly intact Ollas out there that have been left by like minded people. I have not found one myself, yet.

I agree with Ziphius. I stumbled on an online artifact collecting forum once looking up Borrego info. What people had looted and taken home made me sick.


I agree. I wouldn't even want to know the items that were stolen-and that's what it is-from Borrego.
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Rocko1
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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
dsefcik wrote:
Britain wrote:
The Historic Backcountry seems to be a hard find to purchase.
edited by Britain on 5/11/2017


Email Chris directly, that is how I bought mine, he is a good guy.

https://chriswray.smugmug.com/BackcountryBook/The-Historic-backcountry-Book/


I'd love to read that book, but $50 is a bit steep for me.
11 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Britain
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Chris did back to me. I will order through him.
11 days ago
Topic:
How Accessible is Coyote Canyon Rd?

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kk6mbh wrote:
I was up a couple times during the super bloom. Nothing out of the ordinary from the rains - no washouts or slides or anything. I'm in an 80 series Land Cruiser with 33" tires and a couple inches of lift - even with that I take the top of the trail slowly. Safe travels!



Thanks for the reply kk6mbh. I'm already excited to check it out!
12 days ago
Topic:
How Accessible is Coyote Canyon Rd?

kk6mbh
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I was up a couple times during the super bloom. Nothing out of the ordinary from the rains - no washouts or slides or anything. I'm in an 80 series Land Cruiser with 33" tires and a couple inches of lift - even with that I take the top of the trail slowly. Safe travels!
12 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Britain
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dsefcik wrote:
Britain wrote:
The Historic Backcountry seems to be a hard find to purchase.
edited by Britain on 5/11/2017


Email Chris directly, that is how I bought mine, he is a good guy.

https://chriswray.smugmug.com/BackcountryBook/The-Historic-backcountry-Book/


Already have. Waiting a reply.
12 days ago
Topic:
How Accessible is Coyote Canyon Rd?

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That's a good idea. If I make it up there I'll report back. Thank you.
12 days ago
Topic:
How Accessible is Coyote Canyon Rd?

dsefcik
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Topic: How Accessible is Coyote Canyon Rd?
I have not been up there in some time, maybe BorregoLinda will chime in, I think she goes up that way frequently. You could also call the VC for road condition reports.
12 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

dsefcik
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Britain wrote:
The Historic Backcountry seems to be a hard find to purchase.
edited by Britain on 5/11/2017


Email Chris directly, that is how I bought mine, he is a good guy.

https://chriswray.smugmug.com/BackcountryBook/The-Historic-backcountry-Book/
12 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Britain
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Britain
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The Historic Backcountry seems to be a hard find to purchase.
edited by Britain on 5/11/2017
12 days ago
Topic:
How Accessible is Coyote Canyon Rd?

RobMay
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I was planning on exploring the Northwest part of the park this Sunday before it's closed for the season. Has anyone been up there recently? I'm curious about road conditions after all the rains. I have a Dodge Ram 4x4 and haven't had any problems getting through boulder alley and I've even done Diablo Drop-off although I'd never do it again. I've seen video of Pinyon Drop-off and the squeeze and I wouldn't even attempt that.
13 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

tekewin
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Ben Baumans site has good trip reports for all of the Sierra Club San Diego Peaks.


http://silverset.net/100-peaks-in-san-diego


I am working on that list and have 72/100 but a lot of tough ones left. Also, another plug for Jerry Shad book. That was the first place I read about Goat Canyon Trestle.
13 days ago
Topic:
What do you do with found artifacts?

rockhopper
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Photograph and leave. If it looks significant I would contact the ABDSP museum.
14 days ago
Topic:
What do you do with found artifacts?

Buford
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I always leave them where I found them. I would never take it home, ever. Period.

If it is notable I take a picture.

I appreciate museums, and the fact they protect things forever. I am uncomfortable that museums vacuum up artifacts and take away someone's else's joy of discovery in the wild.

I would be very upset if an artifact I left in the wild was poached and taken home by someone. I also would not be thrilled if it was taken by a museum and stored in a closet in perpetuity.

I know there are still mostly intact Ollas out there that have been left by like minded people. I have not found one myself, yet.

I agree with Ziphius. I stumbled on an online artifact collecting forum once looking up Borrego info. What people had looted and taken home made me sick.
14 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

Dartman
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Rocko1 wrote:
Dartman wrote:
Unbelievable. When was it discovered? My son and I just camped there on April 29-30 and it was spotless. All we could manage for our "leave it cleaner than you found it" was a bottle cap.


Did you camp at the end of the road? It may have been cleaned since I was there a 4 weeks or so ago.


I presume it is the same spot. This is the turn off to the right at the top of Pinyon Mountain Rd before it starts dropping down toward the Squeeze. I will try to attach a couple of pics.

"", ""
edited by Dartman on 5/9/2017
14 days ago
Topic:
What do you do with found artifacts?

Rocko1
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ziphius wrote:
Leave in place and don't post specific locations. Even posting general locations is kind of a bad idea, as there are many forums out there dedicated to the collection of arrowheads, etc. Why give folks a head-start on their collecting activity? Everything is public and searchable these days.
edited by ziphius on 5/9/2017


Great idea. I really try to drive home leaving everything as is with my kids when hiking/camping.
14 days ago
Topic:
What do you do with found artifacts?

ziphius
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Leave in place and don't post specific locations. Even posting general locations is kind of a bad idea, as there are many forums out there dedicated to the collection of arrowheads, etc. Why give folks a head-start on their collecting activity? Everything is public and searchable these days.
edited by ziphius on 5/9/2017
14 days ago
Topic:
What do you do with found artifacts?

dsefcik
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Topic: What do you do with found artifacts?
Pretty much leave as found.....
14 days ago
Topic:
What do you do with found artifacts?

Rocko1
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I see many people finding some very interesting things-pottery, arrowheads, etc. I assume all is place where you found it, or do you bury the finds, collect and give to rangers? Just curious.
14 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

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dsefcik wrote:
It happens, I remember camping in Indian Gorge one one night, we drove in at dusk and when we drove out around 9am the next morning somebody had camped right where you drive in and left a huge bonfire pit of wood pallets, beer bottles, trash, etc.


We just got back from a weekend trip in Canyon Sin Nombre. Some jerks were tearing up and down the canyon in their jeep for an hour. The next morning at the south mouth of the canyon there was a huge fire with smoldering logs, garbage and broken bear bottles from them throwing them against the canyon walls.
edited by Rocko1 on 5/9/2017
14 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

Rocko1
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Dartman wrote:
Unbelievable. When was it discovered? My son and I just camped there on April 29-30 and it was spotless. All we could manage for our "leave it cleaner than you found it" was a bottle cap.


Did you camp at the end of the road? It may have been cleaned since I was there a 4 weeks or so ago.
14 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

dsefcik
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Topic: Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage
It happens, I remember camping in Indian Gorge one one night, we drove in at dusk and when we drove out around 9am the next morning somebody had camped right where you drive in and left a huge bonfire pit of wood pallets, beer bottles, trash, etc.
14 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

Dartman
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Unbelievable. When was it discovered? My son and I just camped there on April 29-30 and it was spotless. All we could manage for our "leave it cleaner than you found it" was a bottle cap.
15 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Buford wrote:

We might be referring to a different 100 peaks website. Peakbagger has the Sierra Club San Diego 100 list with reports:

http://peakbagger.com/list.aspx?lid=5058


I was referring to Derek's 100 Peaks website http://100peaks.com/
15 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Buford
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dsefcik wrote:
Buford wrote:
caltopo.com
San Diego 100 peaks list
Google Earth


caltopo.com - almost indispensable to me, matt has really made this a #1 map resource.
100 peaks - great all round so cal reference for hiking, derek has covered and documented some great areas to explore.


We might be referring to a different 100 peaks website. Peakbagger has the Sierra Club San Diego 100 list with reports:

http://peakbagger.com/list.aspx?lid=5058

Even if you don't peakbag, if a peak is in the area someone has been there and likely posted some kind of report.

As for caltopo, I agree with the trouble/fun. "Those lines are far enough apart, that route has to be doable."
15 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

Rocko1
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dsefcik wrote:
You could contact the Visitor Center (760) 767-4205 and they can either take the information or help direct you to the right people.

Thanks.
15 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

dsefcik
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Topic: Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage
You could contact the Visitor Center (760) 767-4205 and they can either take the information or help direct you to the right people.
15 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

Rocko1
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dsefcik wrote:
If you have not already reported it I can let the rangers know.


I have not. That would be great.

What is the best way to reach them?
15 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

dsefcik
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If you have not already reported it I can let the rangers know.
15 days ago
Topic:
Whale Peak Trail Head Garbage

Rocko1
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Looks like some jerks dumped a pickup truck full of garbage at the Whale Peak trail head. Broken tv, old plastic Christmas tree, etc. What's strange is it's not the easiest place to dump trash. This type of stuff drives me nuts.
edited by Rocko1 on 5/8/2017
15 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
ziphius wrote:
caltopo.com + imagination = trouble / fun smile

I have never tried caltopo. I will check it out, thanks.
15 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
caltopo.com + imagination = trouble / fun smile
15 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Florian
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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
All The Wild And Lonely Places by Larry Hogue is beautifully written. The BS library has a copy.
16 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Would definitely consider these four books in addition to what everyone else has mentioned. Regarding GE and caltopo, caltopo has a lot of features that are very helpful but you can pan/tilt/zoom or revert to prior satellite imaging on GE and that come in very handy at times. Love them both.

delfina by tomteske, on Flickr

strangers by tomteske, on Flickr

all the wild by tomteske, on Flickr

Cover-HistoricBackcountryWe by tomteske, on Flickr
16 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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rockhopper wrote:
Although not a "book" G.Earth is near top of the list for exploring / hiking.


I really don't use GE much anymore, caltopo has pretty much replaced it for me but I know it is still very popular with many folks.
16 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
dsefcik wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
Some of my favorites,
1. Geology of Anza Borrego: Edge of Creation. Remeika/ Lowell Lindsay
2. Marshall South and the Ghost Mountian Chronicles. M.South


have those also, great for history and geo-reference, thanks for mentioning those, my mind was thinking hiking only.

Cheers Daren and thanks for all your efforts.
btw Although not a "book" G.Earth is near top of the list for exploring / hiking.
16 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Buford wrote:
caltopo.com
San Diego 100 peaks list
Google Earth


caltopo.com - almost indispensable to me, matt has really made this a #1 map resource.
100 peaks - great all round so cal reference for hiking, derek has covered and documented some great areas to explore.
16 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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rockhopper wrote:
Some of my favorites,
1. Geology of Anza Borrego: Edge of Creation. Remeika/ Lowell Lindsay
2. Marshall South and the Ghost Mountian Chronicles. M.South


have those also, great for history and geo-reference, thanks for mentioning those, my mind was thinking hiking only.
16 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Buford
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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
caltopo.com
San Diego 100 peaks list
Google Earth

Are always good for ideas.
16 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

rockhopper
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Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
Some of my favorites,
1. Geology of Anza Borrego: Edge of Creation. Remeika/ Lowell Lindsay
2. Marshall South and the Ghost Mountian Chronicles. M.South / Editied by Diana Lindsay (Highly recommended)
3. Afoot and Afield. J.Shad RIP
Others please chime in
edited by rockhopper on 5/7/2017




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