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1 days ago
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The Island

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Britain, Do you know what they were mining? I am guessing Gold.


I think garnets, the area is loaded with them. Close up of mine.

1 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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The garnets mines are mentioned in this article. I've found the mine its about 2/3 of the way to the mine in your picture but more east.
http://dezertmagazine.com/mine/1957DM06/index.html.
1 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Britain wrote:
This picture of yours shows one of the mines. This one was being worked on to about 5 years ago. In one of the Desert Magazines I think around 1940 or 50 mentions 2 mines , one is near the Hwy 8 exit to Myers and the other in the middle of the Island.

Thanks for that...I may go out again this weekend and will keep an eye out for it.
1 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Britain, Do you know what they were mining? I am guessing Gold.
1 days ago
Topic:
Alder Canyon Area

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Good to see you getting out there. I drove out to Desert Hot Springs in July during a cool spell ( 105 Deg. ) Not much hiking.
I too have seen a bazillion lady bugs on the E. side of Torro peak.
1 days ago
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Alder Canyon Area

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Okay, I admit it. Thought the rattler was a gopher snake from afar before I saw the head and heard the tail upset Those ladybugs were pretty amazing. Here's a couple more pics of Daren enjoying ABDSP:

Annoying Gate by tomteske, on Flickr

Boundary by tomteske, on Flickr
1 days ago
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Your Go To AB Book?

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Just purchased this book. Seems apropos during our current political climate to review the local details of our so called Manifest Destiny. Doubt it will be an easy read.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/revealing-the-history-of-genocide-against-californias-native-americans
1 days ago
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Alder Canyon Area

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Topic: Alder Canyon Area
Been wanting to descend into that region from Comb's Peak area sometime. Very interesting terrain east of Chihuahua Valley and east of the Pacific Crest Trail. Lots of big kitty tracks too.
1 days ago
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Alder Canyon Area

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ziphius wrote:
Wow, never seen that before! Apparently (and I had to Google this), they swarm to stay warm ahead of an approaching spell of cool / cold weather. Was there a big temperature change during your trip? Cold air drainage in the canyon maybe? Nice photos. - Jim

63 was the low at night and 89 was the high, we saw them mostly on the southern slopes of the santa rosa range. Thanks for looking it up..!
1 days ago
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Alder Canyon Area

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Wow, never seen that before! Apparently (and I had to Google this), they swarm to stay warm ahead of an approaching spell of cool / cold weather. Was there a big temperature change during your trip? Cold air drainage in the canyon maybe? Nice photos. - Jim
2 days ago
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Alder Canyon Area

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Tom and I did a quick overnight trip to the upper reaches of Alder Canyon last weekend. Very pretty out there, weather was nice and we found a few unexpected things.

Hey ziphius, what do you know about ladybug infestations? We found bazillions of ladybugs all over the trees





Found a very unpopular benchmark, the Gene BM





Some wildlife (Tom, that is a rattlesnake BTW)







And some pretty scenery



A seismic panel pointing off towards Toro Peak



Total Mylar balloons this trip - 2

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5 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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This picture of yours shows one of the mines. This one was being worked on to about 5 years ago. In one of the Desert Magazines I think around 1940 or 50 mentions 2 mines , one is near the Hwy 8 exit to Myers and the other in the middle of the Island.

5 days ago
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The Island

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Nice one of my favorite places. I usually park off the freeway near the bottom bridge. Theres a little turn out that will hide your vehicle. Theres also a couple of mines in which can be seen from the peak looking north. I haven't found as much scattered trash like old back packs up on the island. Passed through the area Saturday was 103 hats of to you!
9 days ago
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The Island

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ziphius wrote:
Can't believe you broke an entire, intact olla by dropping your sunglasses on it! smile
Best I had for size comparison....there was tons more in the sun lit part but all I had was my 600mm lens and phone, neither one suited to the photo taking job.
9 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Can't believe you broke an entire, intact olla by dropping your sunglasses on it! smile
9 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Topic: The Island
That is A LOT of pottery! Love the Kit Kat Scat. Good to see someone is walking around out there this time of year.
11 days ago
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The Island

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rockhopper wrote:
I had a camper shell just like that back in the 80's.
btw That pot drop is huge.
My truck is an '81...the whole olla may have been there, much of it was buried in the ground and under surrounding boulders. Even with a GPS point I doubt I could find it again, I was boulder hopping up the ridge and saw it in the shadows down below, I could barely fit in between the rocks to take a picture.
11 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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dsefcik wrote:
I think that shell will fit my truck...I was thinking about pulling over and trying to pull it up...I could use some Plexiglas and Gorilla tape it in for the windows....smile

I had a camper shell just like that back in the 80's. Took it everywhere on my old mini P/U. Maybe the guy(gal) was heading out for a epic desert adventure and the shell came loose. Bummer.
That kit Kat scat is hilarious.
I need to stop at that "Island" some time. Thanks for sharing.
btw That pot drop is huge.
11 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Great pics Daren,
Love that area.

100' and not too bad ...not sure how many people would say that ;-)
edited by surfponto on 8/7/2017
11 days ago
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Perseid Meteors

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Blair Valley is a good place to go..or anywhere in Ranchita.
11 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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tommy750 wrote:
Funny how there's not too many August entries in that register, Daren smile Looks like a nice hike.
Yeah..noticed that..those two pages were it for the register.
11 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Funny how there's not too many August entries in that register, Daren smile Looks like a nice hike.
11 days ago
Topic:
Perseid Meteors

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Always best viewing after 12pm , seen some good ones in the past. But you never know.
11 days ago
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Perseid Meteors

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The Perseid Meteor shower is on. It should peak August 11-12. It won't be as good as it could be this year due to the bright moon, but is probably worth a trip.
11 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Nice. I've yet to explore the island.

I don't think I've found a summit register in Borrego without the Monday Maniacs in it.
12 days ago
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The Island

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anutami wrote:
Kit Kat scat, Love it
Isn't chocolate like really bad for canines?? Com'n peoples, lets not get the coyotes sick...keep that Kit Kat in the car!
12 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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I think that shell will fit my truck...I was thinking about pulling over and trying to pull it up...I could use some Plexiglas and Gorilla tape it in for the windows....smile
12 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Kit Kat scat, Love it
12 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Topic: The Island
Cool find and obscure! Looks like a Paul Freiman placed register. I'll make a note of this one, but I have a year or two of SD peaks already queued up. Thanks.
12 days ago
Topic:
The Island

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Went out yesterday to explore the Island a bit....copy/pasted from my blogger site

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The Island



When you drive the 8 highway between Ocotillo and Jacumba you can see "The Island" between the East & West bound lanes of the highway. There is one exit on the The Island named Mountain Springs. There is a lot of rugged terrain to explore from that exit, Devils Canyon, In-Ko-Pah Gorge, Myer Creek to name just a few places. This trip I decided to go try and find the Devil benchmark located on a peak just east of the Devils Canyon #2 bridge. It was a pretty warm day, maybe 100 degrees or so, not too bad. This is a relatively easy BM to get to, my total mileage hiking was about 2.5 miles and elevation gain/loss was about 800'. Most maps will not have this named as Devil BM but it is marked as peak 2532. There are several other BM's in the area to find as well.



There are some great views from the peak, or at least there were...now all you see are wind turbines


The migrants coming from Mexico have used this peak as route north as evidenced by the abandoned backpacks and water bottles everywhere. I am still amazed at some of the remote and rugged areas of the desert I find their discards, they are some tough and determined folks.


Looks like the BM register was established in 1998


Last entry was 2010 so I guess not a very popular destination.
BTW, is there ANYWHERE the Monday Maniacs don't go???


Looking off towards the west you can see the Mountain Springs area, lots of SDG&E power line towers and the infamous Desert View Tower


All of the usual desert suspects were around
Mortars, slicks, pottery and such




Kit Kat Scat


Highway vehicle debris


And of course our BFF of the desert, mylar balloons


Total Mylar Balloons this trip: 2 (1 per mile)

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29 days ago
Topic:
The "New" McCain Valley

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Actually hiked up the access road to White Arrow a couple years ago but had no idea what it was at the time. Only get one hit on the internet for that name in an old BLM document from 1979. Thanks for the info, Bob S.
7/18/2017
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The "New" McCain Valley

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@Bob S: I really enjoy reading about old memories of how things were....any further stories you care to share about how things "used to be" out in the desert and surrounding areas would be great to hear about....your accounts of names that never made it to the maps or books is valuable to know about..thank you for sharing...
7/18/2017
Topic:
The "New" McCain Valley

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When I was 14 I went on a day quail hunting trip with my uncle and his friends. I couldn't get out there again until about 1970 when I could drive. We never camped in Cottonwood at the time because there were so many other remote places to camp. I'm sure Cottonwood was there in 65. Sometime we would cruise Cottonwood just to check thing out. The campground was always well maintained (not like today) there use to be these really nice heavy duty redwood picnic tables in all the camp sights. Seldom did we ever see anybody camping in Cottonwood because at that time you could camp anywhere you wanted to as long as were not on private property. There use to be another campground about a mile south of Cottonwood called White Arrow. It wasn't vary popular because there were no shade trees. When 1980 came around out of the blue the BLM closed down just about everything east of McCain Valley Rd. All of are former camp sights are a thing of the past like Davies Valley and Sheephead Mt. Rd.
7/18/2017
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Photo hosting recommendations

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Google Photos is pretty good and free. You can create and share albums as well as individual pics. Convenient if you are already in the Google universe. Here is an example album.
7/17/2017
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Photo hosting recommendations

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tommy750 wrote:
The Flickr app works great! Let's face it, the only cell service that works at all "out there" is Verizon. Or, Iridium smile

A lot of people like Flikr and it is free..SmugMug is relatively cheap (about $30 per year) for unlimited storage and lots of options. I am jealous of folks who have Verizon, it works everywhere...but hopefully T-Mobile will make some progress in the next couple of years since they have just purchased up some of the frequencies needed to penetrate deeper into the public use air space.



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7/17/2017
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A 'plug' for the San Diego Tracking Team

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I own several tracking & scat books, this one I believe is the best and is recommended by the SDTT. If you are at all interested in identifying animal scat and tracks get this book...Thumbs Up

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Mammal Tracks & Sign: A Guide to North American SpeciesPaperback – August 1, 2003
by Mark Elbroch (Author)
7/16/2017
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Agree with Buford. Flickr works well, at least at the present time. Who knows what will happen now that Verizon bought it.

You'll get a Photo App on your Verizon phone....



The Flickr app works great! Let's face it, the only cell service that works at all "out there" is Verizon. Or, Iridium smile
7/16/2017
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A 'plug' for the San Diego Tracking Team

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I think Daren and I went out with those guys or a similar group about a year or so ago in Grapevine to monitor transects. Was kinda interesting although can't say it was the most fun I've ever had. Did end up buying a nice guide called "Field Guide to Animal Tracks and Scat of California" which I definitely recommend. A quote from the Introduction: "It's not for everyone, this world of scat and tiny tracks. But for those who are bold, I'd say get some gloves and a jacket and a hat and explore California."
7/16/2017
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I purchased a .com and a web hosting plan. Friend uses SmugMug seems to like it.
7/16/2017
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A 'plug' for the San Diego Tracking Team

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Alex and I took an introductory animal tracking and sign class with the San Diego Tracking Team yesterday at Los Penasquitos canyon. Really nice bunch of people and a fun time. At least a couple of these folks participate in the annual sheep count. They conduct wildlife survey transects throughout the year and are always looking for extra pairs of eyes to help find and identify tracks (but you have to take this intro course, free, 4 hrs) to participate in transect surveys . They emphasize that you don't have to be an expert to contribute.... tracks are really easy to miss and your extra set of eyes is a big contribution to each survey, even if you can't identify what you're seeing. For those on Facebook, here is a link to a great bobcat encounter from one of their senior trackers. Hopefully, it's accessible to all.
edited by ziphius on 7/16/2017
7/15/2017
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Thanks all. I will check em' out.
7/14/2017
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Agree with Buford. Flickr works well, at least at the present time. Who knows what will happen now that Verizon bought it.

You'll get a Photo App on your Verizon phone....
7/14/2017
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Agree with Buford. Flickr works well, at least at the present time. Who knows what will happen now that Verizon bought it.
7/14/2017
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Flickr works well so far.
7/14/2017
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yeah its a shame Photobucket is doing this. Many of my trip reports have lost their photo links. There is no way I am paying that price.
I started using imgur.com
7/14/2017
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I use SmugMug.....
7/14/2017
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Now that photo bucket has changed it's terms, I guess no more posting pictures from my photo bucket account. $399 per year seems pretty steep considering it's been free for years. All my photos are backed up at my home so no big loss ,but sure was convenient. Any recommendations for a cheap or free service alternate?
Thanks
Paul a.k.a. rockhopper
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7/12/2017
Topic:
The "New" McCain Valley

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Was last out there in May doing an overnight in Canebrake and again couldn't believe the additional destruction since I posted this in March. Agree, really sad to see. Lark Canyon OHV is starting to look pristine in comparison.

Bob S, was Cottonwood campground even around back in 1965? Things must have looked very different! Thanks for posting.


New McCain Valley by tomteske, on Flickr
7/12/2017
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The "New" McCain Valley

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Bob S wrote:
My first time out to McCain Valley was in 1965. Have camped out there many times over the years. Spent Monday night at Cottonwood and more than likely won't be back. RIP McCain Valley.
Amen.....however you can still venture off into some remote areas if backpacking or distance hiking. The sights of evolution are discouraging to say the least.
7/12/2017
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The "New" McCain Valley

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My first time out to McCain Valley was in 1965. Have camped out there many times over the years. Spent Monday night at Cottonwood and more than likely won't be back. RIP McCain Valley.
7/10/2017
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2017 Sheep Count info

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Buford, thanks for posting that story link, much appreciated...
7/9/2017
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Big Boy between hwy 8

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All Righty then. I've been reading how springs are drying up. That swampy area where the overland stage runs through near Valllecito wash has dried up, noticed that a couple years ago. Its always has had water in it. You can still dig in some of the washes near the Yuha wells and get water though.
7/9/2017
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2017 Sheep Count info

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The reporter that was interviewing people and tagging along put up her report:

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/07/09/volunteers-brave-extremes-to-count-bighorn-sheep-in-the-desert/

There are some minor differences between the audio and written report, but the gist is the same.
7/9/2017
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Big Boy between hwy 8

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Britain wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
All these stories of ticks reminds me of the back side of Palomar Mtn. I was covered with Deer ticks hiking up to Agua Tibia. Once I was sleeping on ground on the PCT south of Red Tahquitz when I was bolted awake by ticks on my neck! Tent from that day forward. Sounds like I need to hike out to the "island" area at I-8. It's near a main trail that heads towards the coast. Used for for thousands of years by the Native Americans.
edited by rockhopper on 7/6/2017

Interesting in 2002 I was photographing this area for a native American trail named the Yuma trail, a trail from mission bay to the river area at Yuma. I came across the Yuma to San Diego turnpike and thought perhaps I was wrong. Where can I find information on your trail?

Hi Britain,
It is my understanding the major East-West cooridor used for thousands of years at the southern part of the county is basically under or near old I-80 following the springs and water sources ( dug out wells) from the desert toward the coast. It was not uncommon for these Native Americans to travel on foot over 40 miles in one day carrying their gear wearing only deer skin or woven foot ware. Tough!
edited by rockhopper on 7/9/2017
7/6/2017
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Big Boy between hwy 8

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All these stories of ticks reminds me of the back side of Palomar Mtn. I was covered with Deer ticks hiking up to Agua Tibia. Once I was sleeping on ground on the PCT south of Red Tahquitz when I was bolted awake by ticks on my neck! Tent from that day forward. Sounds like I need to hike out to the "island" area at I-8. It's near a main trail that heads towards the coast. Used for for thousands of years by the Native Americans.
edited by rockhopper on 7/6/2017

Interesting in 2002 I was photographing this area for a native American trail named the Yuma trail, a trail from mission bay to the river area at Yuma. I came across the Yuma to San Diego turnpike and thought perhaps I was wrong. Where can I find information on your trail?
7/6/2017
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Big Boy between hwy 8

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All these stories of ticks reminds me of the back side of Palomar Mtn. I was covered with Deer ticks hiking up to Agua Tibia. Once I was sleeping on ground on the PCT south of Red Tahquitz when I was bolted awake by ticks on my neck! Tent from that day forward. Sounds like I need to hike out to the "island" area at I-8. It's near a main trail that heads towards the coast. Used for for thousands of years by the Native Americans.
edited by rockhopper on 7/6/2017
7/5/2017
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Big Boy between hwy 8

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Your probably correct, every time I go through any brush I look for those hitchhikers on me !
7/5/2017
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Big Boy between hwy 8

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Personally I blame the Tamarisk, the whole Jacumba/Carrizo area is infested with Tamarisk and ticks. Too many trips in Carrizo have left me with 4,5,6 or more ticks in a single day. I was talking with some BP once out in Myer and a younger one commented about the ticks whenever they patrolled the island area. Devils Cyn had a lot of Tamarisk growing...just MHO....
7/5/2017
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Big Boy between hwy 8

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Devils Canyon, per BP used to be a pick up area for illegals. They would wait in the canyon and when the time came drop their stuff and scramble up to the freeway for the ride. That the reason for all the backpacks that used to be down there. In 2002 I ran into some BP with their shirts off trying to rid the ticks from them. Same year I found these explosives. The detonators per ID where from Germany around 1890-1900. I didn't know they had electrical ones back then. Up to 1978 when the hurricane came through you could almost drive a car through per some long term locals. There also are some ruins that are over looked. I thought at first was it the toll station but I think that is in mountain springs. Bada boom. Let the BLM know and they came in cleared them out.
7/5/2017
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dsefcik wrote:
I went out yesterday and hiked the loop from the island down the canyon, under the bridge and then back out near the spring....it was kinda hot out there. Was hoping to see some sheep, I was packing the 600mm lens but did not see any, just several iguanas and lizards and some hawks screeching in the high noon sky...didn't even see the BP. I need to spend some more time exploring that area, it is a fascinating place.



That canyon is infested with ticks. Been also on the mountain ridge which is on the west side of 8 before mountain springs. More deer on that side then Big Horn. There's a big cat also. That's why I asking what camera you were using.
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I went out yesterday and hiked the loop from the island down the canyon, under the bridge and then back out near the spring....it was kinda hot out there. Was hoping to see some sheep, I was packing the 600mm lens but did not see any, just several iguanas and lizards and some hawks screeching in the high noon sky...didn't even see the BP. I need to spend some more time exploring that area, it is a fascinating place.
7/5/2017
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ziphius wrote:
"Island" sheep, nice. Makes me wonder how often vehicle collisions occur. What is the 'DC' refer to?
edited by ziphius on 6/12/2017


The highest peak in the island has the DC marker ( Devils Canyon-Peak)


Heres my little write up between .

http://www.icorva.com/index.php/2013-03-23-20-44-53/2013-04-20-02-04-08/2013-03-23-20-37-36/back-packing/7-between-the-8
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7/3/2017
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2017 Sheep Count info

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Ziphius, I must have missed you at checkin. We were a little late to checkout.

I was at 4th. Gary Was at 3rd and had to stay late waiting for us so we could reconcile counts.

Daren, I heard about your groups adventures from Mike when he walked us out. Ouch. He speculated some of the seismic activity might have shutoff the water supply to the spring.

Glad everyone made it out safe.

No exotic wildlife for us this year. Lots of frogs, water bugs, white preying mantis, lizards and some hawks. The hummingbirds kept trying to get nectar out of our orange tarp lines, confused things. Lots of other small birds but no birders in our group.
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7/3/2017
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Daren,

Your decision to turn back (we heard about it the 1st night at a group dinner and I talked with Gary a bit at the check-out) is highly commendable and the sign of excellent backcountry sense. Bummer to not see any sheep, but like Gary said, why would the sheep keep walking uphill if they had all the water they needed at Tubb and Middle Spring(s)? Great bird sightings, including a pair of peregrine falcons (good eyes Alex!) and an audio identification of an American Bittern (a rarity, again, good ears Alex!). We collected a nice water sample at Big Spring after an enjoyable 2.5 days of counting. Met some nice folks from the San Diego tracking team (Bob and Dick) who were counting at Lower Hellhole and we did a field trip with them on Thursday evening to the 'dump' area east of town. Saw 3 coyotes walk through and then tried to find their tracks, very humbling experience. The Bighorn 47th count year coffee mugs were a great 'consolation prize'. It's a unique group of people and I recommend that anyone that eventually signs up (campers excepted) consider staying at the Steele / Burnand Research Center. It's fun to hang out and see fellow counters each evening and at 4:30 in the morning, a lot of camaraderie with 'like-minded people', as one person put it.
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7/3/2017
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@Buford Thanks for the report and glad you had a good count

@ziphius Sorry you had no sheep, I saw that in the final results. At least you got to experience the count. Not every site will see sheep every year, it can vary dramtically year to year...glad you have decided to return next year.

Our Rattlesanke site was quite different this year. One of our veteran counters had some issues with the heat about 2 miles in so we turned around and hiked back out with him to get him to his vehicle and safety. There is no room for taking chances out there in the heat and so far away, phones do not work and any help is as far away as the hike out and drive into town and then back again. With 4 extra miles added to our hike my remaining partner and I got to the count site around 11:30pm, just in time for some star gazing and tequila from our hidden stash. Lots of shooting stars that night, beautiful.....

In the morning though we noticed a total absence of sign from sheep, no tracks, scat or urine stains, something very obvious year after year...sheep had not been coming here recently. We found the spring dry. We discussed options and decided to hike out before the sunrise and the heat, otherwise we would have had to wait until dusk to hike out in the cover of shade.

We did see 1 ram so our total count was 1, a historic low I am sure.

Thanks to all who participated, your efforts are appreciated very much!

Daren
7/3/2017
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Nice photos Buford. Were you at 3rd or 4th grove? My team of 3 was at Big Spring, where we saw zero (same result as the 2015 count), but had fun recording all the bird life. The sheep liked the sites adjacent to us much better (Tubb and Middle springs). smile We plan on returning next year. - Jim
7/3/2017
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Well, the forum ate my first post and I had to start over.

It was an interesting count for this year.

The three other people in our group were good people to hang out with for three days, which is always a plus for randomly assigned strangers.

The upper Palm Canyon count sites do not have a trail to them and require bouldering, talus hopping, loose steep slopes and bushwhacking to hike to. Add in a full pack and the high temperatures and it is even more difficult. I cannot stress this enough for someone that wants to count these sites. All three years I have done this there has been someone assigned to count in upper Palm Canyon who is not prepared for the hike in and out and really suffers. This year was no exception.

We saw the same general group of sheep each day. They would start the day high on the slope opposite the count site and would work down to the canyon bottom by midday. They traveled down canyon out of sight. After count hours they would come back towards camp on the opposite slope from their starting point, then cut though camp and climb up to where they started.

Some cell phone pictures of the count are below. Some pictures are from the count site, others from camp. All zoom pictures were obtained by holding the 10x binoculars in one hand with the cell phone in the other with the camera sort of centered in the eye piece. I was surprised it worked at all.

Old Major:


Tagged ewe through binoculars:



Tagged ewe closer to camp this time:


Ram from camp through binoculars:


Count site, most sheep were seen high on the slope across the canyon from us:


Panorama from count site:

edited by Buford on 7/3/2017


Added a picture and clarification
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7/3/2017
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NPR story on how bodies decay in the desert

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http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/01/523024955/to-solve-gruesome-desert-mysteries-scientists-become-body-collectors


"Editor's note: Those readers who are squeamish about descriptions of decaying bodies may want to skip the next nine paragraphs."
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7/3/2017
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I learned "Island" from this forum. smile Speaking of sheep, had a great time on my 1st 'sheep count'. Zero sheep at Big Spring this year (counters had a zero in 2015 too). Met a lot of great people and we got to stare at rocks, lizards, and birds all day for 2.5 days.

surfponto wrote:
Great photo!

Sorry have not been on the forum as much as I should. Lots of family stuff going on.
Anyway wanted to comment that I really love that area.

Daren and I explored it 5 plus years ago.
I would like to take credit for the name "The Island" but someone will probably refute it wink

http://www.anzaborrego.net/2012/04/19/exploring-myer-valley-and-beyond/

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Great photo!

Sorry have not been on the forum as much as I should. Lots of family stuff going on.
Anyway wanted to comment that I really love that area.

Daren and I explored it 5 plus years ago.
I would like to take credit for the name "The Island" but someone will probably refute it wink

http://www.anzaborrego.net/2012/04/19/exploring-myer-valley-and-beyond/

Bob
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6/29/2017
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This weekend I went up a canyon to see if I could put up with the heat. Started early. By 9am it was 105. 1.5 miles in I called it quits. I'm in my 60's so this will need to be left to the younger. Hats off to those that do this!
6/28/2017
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Britain wrote:
Does that trail drop down toward the Salton sea side? Now need to go check it out.



Believe I recall hearing there's a couple places you can drop down toward Salton Sea off of this trail. Tom
6/27/2017
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Kudos to all you counters that are braving the elements this coming weekend. Happy to have contributed a teeeny amount to the endeavor hauling water to Rattlesnake Spring earlier in the year and being rewarded in turn with a great hike on old Indian trails. Take care!

Toward Pyramid by tomteske, on Flickr

Does that trail drop down toward the Salton sea side? Now need to go check it out.
6/27/2017
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Kudos to all you counters that are braving the elements this coming weekend. Happy to have contributed a teeeny amount to the endeavor hauling water to Rattlesnake Spring earlier in the year and being rewarded in turn with a great hike on old Indian trails. Take care!

Toward Pyramid by tomteske, on Flickr
6/25/2017
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I'd agree to sell my soul and not see any bighorn if I could see a ring-tailed cat. Quite rare to be seen. smile

Buford wrote:
I have counted in upper Palm Canyon twice. We always have water from the stream to filter. Probably about 6L/person/day.

I volunteer for Upper Palm Canyon because even if we see no sheep at our count site, there are almost always sheep on the hike in and out. The other thing I like is there is always something interesting in Palm Canyon. Lots of birds, insects, coyotes, frogs, toads, lizards. Last year we even saw a ring-tailed cat during the count.

Some people keep coming back. There are teams that always have the same counters at the same site each year. Most people do not return after counting once. Only way to find out is to do it.

My 3rd year and I have seen few repeat volunteers in upper Palm Canyon. The temperatures, boredom, rough hike in and improper packing probably have a lot to do with it. Most pack too heavy and are not ready for the off trail portion of the hike, as mild as Palm Canyon is.

Not all sites see sheep each year. That has something to do with people returning as well.

Stay safe everyone. So far the forecast looks relatively mild.
6/25/2017
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Britain wrote:
Trail camera, those are great shots and video! Camera??

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EK61B4I
6/25/2017
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Looks like you placed it near the sheep?
6/25/2017
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Britain wrote:
Thanks good write up. I'll need to get new glasses! Do envy that 600mm lens.

I don't take that anymore, too heavy...I got a trail camera last year to do all the work for me

http://www.sefcik.com/2016/07/bighorn-sheep-census-count-2016-abdsp.html


Trail camera, those are great shots and video! Camera??
6/25/2017
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Wow thanks. Shows some good hiking trails.
6/25/2017
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Britain wrote:
Can you recommend a mad that shows these locations? My topo doesn't and I'm not familiar with this side of the park.

https://caltopo.com/
6/25/2017
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Can you recommend a mad that shows these locations? My topo doesn't and I'm not familiar with this side of the park.
6/25/2017
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Britain wrote:
I Looked over the application for this. I certainly would check the backpacking. Question. Is there a list of spotting sites this is done from? Reason is I would like to , when its cooler pack in to the worst ones and see whats required.

You csn see a list of the results and count sites here http://theabf.org/45th-annual-anza-borrego-sheep-count-results

Many of the sites have regulars (like Rattlesnake Spring) so it is not guaranteed you will get a site you request...you can certainly request a specific site but you may be assigned elsewhere if needed.
6/25/2017
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Britain wrote:
Thanks good write up. I'll need to get new glasses! Do envy that 600mm lens.

I don't take that anymore, too heavy...I got a trail camera last year to do all the work for me

http://www.sefcik.com/2016/07/bighorn-sheep-census-count-2016-abdsp.html
6/25/2017
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I Looked over the application for this. I certainly would check the backpacking. Question. Is there a list of spotting sites this is done from? Reason is I would like to , when its cooler pack in to the worst ones and see whats required.
6/25/2017
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Thanks good write up. I'll need to get new glasses! Do envy that 600mm lens.
6/25/2017
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I think Buford summed it up pretty good....Thumbs Up
6/25/2017
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I have counted in upper Palm Canyon twice. We always have water from the stream to filter. Probably about 6L/person/day.

I volunteer for Upper Palm Canyon because even if we see no sheep at our count site, there are almost always sheep on the hike in and out. The other thing I like is there is always something interesting in Palm Canyon. Lots of birds, insects, coyotes, frogs, toads, lizards. Last year we even saw a ring-tailed cat during the count.

Some people keep coming back. There are teams that always have the same counters at the same site each year. Most people do not return after counting once. Only way to find out is to do it.

My 3rd year and I have seen few repeat volunteers in upper Palm Canyon. The temperatures, boredom, rough hike in and improper packing probably have a lot to do with it. Most pack too heavy and are not ready for the off trail portion of the hike, as mild as Palm Canyon is.

Not all sites see sheep each year. That has something to do with people returning as well.

Stay safe everyone. So far the forecast looks relatively mild.
6/25/2017
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Britian, there are a few threads on bighorn counts archived on this site. One recent one is here. I was curious about others' experiences (my 1st count this year) and looked up these trips using the site's Search window, with keywords = "Sheep Count".
6/25/2017
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One shouldn't take the 120 temp to lightly its a killer even doing nothing but looking. I wouldn't have an issue with being self supporting but dealing with the heat is another issue. When I worked in Mexicali one of our customers Sony would deliver our packaging back to us in a truck. They would dump it in the parking lot, we would sort it out. Even though we had a tarp for shade we rolled through people. Only people from Mexicali could deal with the heat. I would guess in a canyon it would even be hotter. How did the heat treat you? How much water did you go through a day?
6/25/2017
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Britain wrote:
So who trucks in the water to you? smile Do you camp at the site or packout everyday? Anywhere to read up on this?

Depends on the count site, there are all levels of count site opportunities, some are easy walk in everyday from your hotel sites and others are backpack only. Most sites require you to bring your own water each day, some may have water available to filter. Our site at Rattlesnake Spring we carry water up and bury it each spring and then pack out the empty containers. The count is for the most part completely self supported, the park really only provides you with a location, advice and paperwork to fill out, everything else is up to you, that is one reason why so many people drop out after the orientation, they think the park is gonna give them everything they need and take care of them but that is not how it works.
6/25/2017
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So who trucks in the water to you? smile Do you camp at the site or packout everyday? Anywhere to read up on this?
6/23/2017
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I listened to the audio snippet...interesting...thanks for posting and sharing.
6/23/2017
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Tunes about Anza Borrego

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This is cool. Something to listen to while driving out there.

Marco Minnemann is releasing a CD that is about Anza Borrego, and it features guitar work from Alex Lifeson of Rush, and Joe Satriani.

http://lazybones.com/artists/marco-minnemann
6/22/2017
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All of the sites are in the north end of the park, they do not count in the south end...not that they don't care about the "south" sheep, it is just a matter of staying consistent and I believe the DFG/DFW have their own method of tracking wildlife. I encourage anyone to volunteer that can tolerate 3 long days of sitting still scanning the landscape for BHS in 100+ temps, it can be a great experience or possibly the most boring and miserable thing you have ever done. Many people drop out after the orientation (REQUIRED for first time counters) and count site assignments shift around accordingly.

Hey, happy sheep counting to all the volunteers and thank you for your efforts..!!
6/22/2017
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So for Borrego how is it divided up for the count ? Back it the late 70's I was coming back from Arizona took the S2 at Ocotillo. Theres a a guy afoot at the Carrizo Gorge entrance. His vehicle got stuck in the sand a few miles up. We went in and pulled him out. Said he was to join up with a group for a sheep count.
6/22/2017
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As mentioned, the sheep don't need water until it gets hot. Also as it gets hot water holes dry up and there are fewer of them that need to be staked out. The count is also ideally before the monsoon rains later in summer.

The other reason is Lamb mortality. They want the count to be after the die off of lambs. Part of the count data compares ewe counts vs lamb and yearling counts to check survival rates since every ewe gives birth to a single lamb every spring.

I think the San Gabriel mountains do a sheep count at a different time of year.
6/22/2017
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Thanks. I was going to sign up this year but thought there might be another time. Never done this. Perhaps next year.
6/21/2017
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Britain wrote:
Question. Why would the count be at this time of year? Or are there other times also?


It's a waterhole count and unless temperatures are above 100, the sheep can get all the moisture they need just by eating plants. Once it gets hotter than the low 100s, they need to come down to the waterholes every few days. Makes for easier counting because animals have to congregate by the water at some point during the survey. So, you are simultaneously hoping for hot weather so you see some sheep, while dreading the potential for really hot weather. Others here have done numerous sheep counts and can speak about the conditions with more authority. I've done one 'unofficial' count in temperatures about 104 for a single day, the day seemed very long until the afternoon, when sheep appeared, and then, time flew by.
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6/21/2017
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Question. Why would the count be at this time of year? Or are there other times also?
6/20/2017
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Hopefully it cools off a little, I mean a lot! It is predicted at 121 Deg. in Borrego Valley today! Look forward to doing it with you guys ( and gals) someday when the dust settles with moving and family issues.




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