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19 min ago
Topic:
Badlands from Mine Peak

anutami
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anutami
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Topic: Badlands from Mine Peak
Nice pics!!!!
1 hours ago
Topic:
Mortero Palms and Piedras Grandes

anutami
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Sorry I haven't posted in some time but been busy building our new home. I love our land off old julian hwy as we are so close to abdsp now!

smile we headed out to see some palm groves and mortero palms offers great access to piedras grandes









Wow how green the desert is right now




































































Miracle of life in the desert


The quiet solitude of a place far from the familiar and where the bonding of loved ones grows closer. What an amazing place in our backyard

edited by anutami on 2/22/2017
4 hours ago
Topic:
Badlands from Mine Peak

dsefcik
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dsefcik
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Topic: Badlands from Mine Peak
Nice photos, sunrise is my favorite....sorry for all you 10am waker-uppers out there....wink
6 hours ago
Topic:
Badlands from Mine Peak

tekewin
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I hiked to Mine Peak off West Dolomite Mine Trail for a few sunrise photos of the badlands. I made a day of it hiking to Red Hill and Jacumba Mountain after, but these were the best views of the day.





6 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping Circles

Britain
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Britain
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Topic: Sleeping Circles
The few I've found cant see them on Google. When you get on top of those post the pictures.
6 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping Circles

tommy750
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tommy750
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Topic: Sleeping Circles
Always nice to find stuff like that out there. Looks like Google Earth is winning with sextuplets smile

sextuplets and twins by tomteske, on Flickr
7 days ago
Topic:
Kofa Wildlife Refuge / Castle Dome Trip

tommy750
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Glad I could join you guys out there in Kofa, Daren. The place is a giant mix of historic mining and prehistoric stuff in an amazing geologic setting. Definitely recommend a visit out there. Here's a few more pics:

Daren and Petros by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_3176 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_3186 by tomteske, on Flickr

Old vs New by tomteske, on Flickr
10 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping Circles

rockhopper
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rockhopper
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Topic: Sleeping Circles
Nice find. Looks like adult and juvenile sleeping circles. I've dropped my pack near a few of those. They are neat to sleep in. Usually located in a neat area with good views.
cheers
10 days ago
Topic:
Kofa Wildlife Refuge / Castle Dome Trip

rockhopper
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Great trip report. Arizona in the winter is sweet. I love the mail box in the second photo! Those pictos and morteros are old! Probably over a thousand years old. Obviously a much wetter time during the height of habitation. Imagine lakes and creeks flowing in the area.
Thanks for sharing
edited by rockhopper on 2/12/2017
11 days ago
Topic:
Sleeping Circles

Britain
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Britain
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Topic: Sleeping Circles
Found a double circle.
11 days ago
Topic:
Kofa Wildlife Refuge / Castle Dome Trip

dsefcik
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dsefcik
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Topic: Kofa Wildlife Refuge / Castle Dome Trip
Did a trip after Xmas, here are some pics

Big Eye Mine Cabin


Daren and his Wisner 5x7 Film Camera (photo courteous of Tom)


Thumb Butte or Peak, I can't remember


Sunset on McPherson Pass


When there's a fork in the road....take it.....


Tom walking on a cliff way over there


Figueroa Tank


Looking out across King Valley


Petroglyphs






Tom finds a Rock Circle


I found a Rock Square


Tom walking down a cliff looking out across King Valley


Deep Morteros


More Petroglyphs


Big Eye Mine




Castle Dome


Some Pictographs









http://www.sefcik.com/2017/02/kofa-wildlife-refuge-castle-dome-arizona.html

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edited by dsefcik on 2/12/2017
11 days ago
Topic:
Spring at Cottonwoods/Nicholias Cyn/Upr Rockhouse?

MarkG
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I'll be carrying my 6-liter dromedary and yes, that should last for a couple days. Maybe I will re-think the trek back to the car on Day 2 for water.
11 days ago
Topic:
Spring at Cottonwoods/Nicholias Cyn/Upr Rockhouse?

dsefcik
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I doubt with this cold weather you will need to cache water at the lower rock houses. You will have plenty of water at the cottonwoods. We can usually carry enough water for 3 days in this weather, 6 liters would easily get me thru 2 days in these temps. Just my 2 cents.
11 days ago
Topic:
Spring at Cottonwoods/Nicholias Cyn/Upr Rockhouse?

MarkG
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Thanks rockhopper. I haven't hiked up the canyon before but I have been out to the end of the road with my Wrangler. I hiked the road a couple of weeks ago, down from Jackass Flat to the Butler Canyon junction and it's in relatively decent shape.

The plan is to camp near the lower rockhouses the first night. Next day I was going to go back to the car to port a 5-gal water supply back up and cache it by the lower rockhouses. Maybe I don't need to do that? I'm a wimp when it comes to betting on a source of water. Next day's plan is head to the camp at Cottonwood Bench and hang out there for a couple days, assuming a sufficient water source, and day-hike the area, probably over toward Toro Spring. Leaving there I'll head back to the lower rockhouses via the Santa Rosa native village site, to pick up my water cache and then back down the canyon and home on Day 6. If for some reason I don't get water at Cottonwood, I'll return directly to the lower rockhouses the next day and then day-hike to the Santa Rosa site the following day.
11 days ago
Topic:
Spring at Cottonwoods/Nicholias Cyn/Upr Rockhouse?

rockhopper
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Mark, Sounds like great timing with the recent rains. Have you been there before? You may need 4wd to get closer to the entrance to Rock house canyon. It's a fantastic area, even better with good weather. Please post your intended route or your trail report when done.
Daren: Seven leaf cultivators! Yikes, I am allergic to lead! Be careful. Damn, Feds should eject them IMHO. I've seen the damage done to the wilderness environment with herbicides, pesticides and trash. Water quality is damaged, and water is so scarce in that region.
11 days ago
Topic:
Spring at Cottonwoods/Nicholias Cyn/Upr Rockhouse?

MarkG
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Thanks for the info and the heads-up Daren! I enjoyed the photos from your October, 2012 trip too!
11 days ago
Topic:
Spring at Cottonwoods/Nicholias Cyn/Upr Rockhouse?

dsefcik
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That spring is reliable, it is on the east side of the canyon, when you are at the cottonwoods you will find an obvious use trail to it. Toro Spring also has water but the seven leaf cultivators use that area so be careful when near that area.
11 days ago
Topic:
Spring at Cottonwoods/Nicholias Cyn/Upr Rockhouse?

MarkG
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Hi All - I'm planning a 6-day backpacking trip through Rockhouse Valley for next week and I'm hoping someone might be able to give me some tips for finding the spring that's near the Cottonwood Camp at the upper Rockhouse ruins. From what I can tell it's down in the canyon from the bench. The USGS map puts it on the west side of the canyon but Schad describes it as "200 yards east of the main canyon in a tributary ravine". The Lindsays also describe it on the east side. I'm guessing it's somewhere around 33.492784,-116.41761. Am I close? With all the recent rains and patches of snow still on Toro Peak I'm thinking it should be pretty reliable. Thoughts? Also how much can I count on Toro Spring? Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Mark
13 days ago
Topic:
Hayfield Springs and the Joy of Discovery

tekewin
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Really cool bighorn find! Looks fresh. I would have been looking around for big cats, too. I'm glad you found a petroglyph for your efforts. Thanks for sharing your photos.
edited by tekewin on 2/9/2017
16 days ago
Topic:
Anza-Borrego Desert Region GPX files?

kylekai
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The app is now at iTunes, 286 trails in and around ABSP: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/anza-borrego-state-park-trails/id1202433999?ls=1&mt=8
16 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad articles

Britain
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I ran into a hiker 2 weeks ago who hiked in from the nudist farm, caught him at marker 105 ( 4 miles in) he mention tunnels with obstruction still. Did not say what tunnels. The Mexico side, they would still need to build a border inspection area which hasn't started, My wife worked in Tecate until 2014 and mentioned she has seen no trains or nothing north of TJ. Eduardo who took the picture mentioned at that time most of the tracks from Tecate were in some state of repair.
edited by Britain on 2/6/2017
17 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad articles

railexplorer
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Those photos are from 2014. It is my understanding that the line has been put back together. The tunnel, that is collapsed, is Tunnel #3. The collapse happened when somebody set a fire in it several years ago. Baja Rail daylighted that tunnel.
I have not been down there to see if its all back together, personally, I just heard from some members of the railroad museum at Campo that it was.
17 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad articles

rockhopper
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Those poor construction workers who built the R.R. are spinning in their graves.
17 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad articles

ziphius
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Wow, that MX section *is* in bad shape!
18 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad articles

Britain
Britain
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There is some heavy construction on the R&R line in Mexico. Here's a few shots. The track down there is really in bad shape.


18 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad articles

dsefcik
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Topic: Carrizo Gorge Railroad articles
The drama continues, thanks for posting railexplorer.

BTW, for anyone actually reading those articles and watching the Youtube video, it is tunnel #16, not #6. He just counted them coming from Dos Cabezas but the actual tunnel number is #16.
19 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad articles

railexplorer
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Here are links to the latest articles in the SD Reader about the PIR. The first one appeared earlier this week and the second one is MTS' response. Make sure to have a bowl popcorn while reading the two articles. A pair of hip waders might not be a bad idea either.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/feb/02/ticker-likely-not-last-binational-railroad-story/

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/feb/03/ticker-mts-responds-baja-rail-charges/
21 days ago
Topic:
Hayfield Springs and the Joy of Discovery

rockhopper
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Neat adventure and great story telling. Btw your camera takes great pics! That is a nice petroglyph find for sure. There are a bunch ancient trails from all over that area leading to and from Corn springs which is close by. It was a major water stop for the Native American traveler back in time. Unfortunately earthquakes turn on and off the spring. It was flowing in the 1960's according to an old timer in Desert Hot springs but went dry after a earthquake. I went to the Red Cloud mine years ago. It is a neat area out there for sure and outside J.T. so you can 4WD on the many jeep trails. Some of the area have boulders like J.T. but even as good or better IMHO.
Cheers!
edited by rockhopper on 2/1/2017
edited by rockhopper on 2/1/2017
22 days ago
Topic:
Toyota Commmercials in ABDSP

Britain
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Filmed over by Superstition.
22 days ago
Topic:
Toyota Commmercials in ABDSP

dsefcik
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Topic: Toyota Commmercials in ABDSP
Anybody else notice the recent Toyota commercials (on Fox 5 for me) in ABDSP?
22 days ago
Topic:
Hayfield Springs and the Joy of Discovery

dsefcik
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Topic: Hayfield Springs and the Joy of Discovery
Please no posting of precise locations of rock art, thank you.
22 days ago
Topic:
Hayfield Springs and the Joy of Discovery

ziphius
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Nice finds and adventure. I'd consider deleting the exact location of the petroglyphs in this thread, as there are plenty of cases of people attempting (unsuccessfully and successfully) to steal / remove petroglyphs from the wild. Revealing their location also increases the risk of defacement. Plus, part of the adventure for you was not knowing whether or not you would actually find the petroglyphs - now, they are a Google map pushpin location for the whole world to see. Good job not accepting an offer of $$ for the ram horns. It's illegal to sell them and they are better left in place for the next adventurer to stumble across 40 years from now. That's a very nice petroglyph chain. - Jim
22 days ago
Topic:
Hayfield Springs and the Joy of Discovery

RobertMarcos
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Last year I got a tip about possible Native American petroglyphs located just east of the Hinds pumping station of the Colorado River Aqueduct Project. As I studied Google Earth I chose a canyon adjacent to Hayfield Spring. Hayfield Spring is on BLM land just outside the southern border of Joshua Tree National Monument. It's five miles east of the Hinds pumping station.

Starting in Indio, I drove 31 miles east on the I-10 to Chiriaco Summit - home of the General Patton Museum. I got gas and a large coffee then returned to the I-10 east. I drove another 9 miles to Red Cloud road. I exited then circled around to the right under the freeway, then parked my little car and unloaded my bike. Truck owners can drive across the old railroad tracks and enter a dirt access road that curves north then east. Drive 2-1/2 miles then park off the road, (this road is used by trucks maintaining the aqueduct but it's basically open to use). You should not approach the Hinds Pumping station which is surrounded by "No Trespassing" signs, nor swim in the aqueduct itself, (although it's very refreshing).

The combination of the scenic drive, the caffeine from the large coffee, the mountain bike ride, and the two mile hike to the mouth of the canyon forged a deep and memorable sense of adventure. The weather was warm but tolerable. Here in the desert if the weather is tolerable you're already happy, regardless of the outcome of your hike.

At noon I parked my little car and took off on my bike. I had my heavy Canon 60D, lunch, and water in my small backpack. I ditched my bike about 20 minutes later and hiked across one of the “land bridges” that pass over the aqueduct about once every quarter-mile. Then I encountered a 15-foot high dike - designed to protect the aqueduct by redirecting the occasional flash flood. They dikes are visible on Google Earth as a series of intersecting quarter-mile long berms.

North of the berms the wilderness begins. Burrows from desert tortoises are everywhere so you have to watch your step. I walked past a light-gray colored snake that was soaking up some rays. And there are the ubiquitous coyote tracks. But upon approaching the mouth of the canyon I was struck by the smell of death. I had an immediate adrenaline reaction and I stopped in my tracks. I did a slow 360 and saw a good sized branch which I picked up and carried for defense, then I sought the source of the stink. About a minute later I found the corpse of a full-grown bighorn sheep. It was in the middle of a hundred prints, all of which appeared to be coyotes. I did not see any mountain lion tracks but I held onto my big stick anyway.

It’s a times like these that you regret being out in the middle of nowhere by yourself. But the fact that the majority of the bighorn had already been eaten, and the lack of lion tracks helped me to relax a bit and begin my CSI investigation. The sheep had no radio collar, and was not tagged. The dried grass from its belly were lying nearby. But everything else had been eaten.
I continued into the canyon. It was marvelous to scale the huge boulders and get out of the heat. I quickly identified some ancient trails and followed them a half-mile deeper into the canyon. I was watching very closely for any physical evidence of the ancient habitants - arrowheads, pottery, or petroglyphs. Not a single thing. And yet there were a dozen flat, circular areas where you fully expected to find something, plus there were trails that led to these places. The absolute lack of native American items reminded me of areas that had been "swept" by archaeologists. They're left sterile.

I exited the canyon an hour later, somewhere depressed. I stuck to the western edge of the canyon’s mouth and climbed up out of the sandy wash. Then BAM! There facing me was a classic symbol carved into a boulder - a vertical chain of linked diamonds - a rattlesnake, which the Indians used to indicate the entrance to the “underworld”. Generally these symbols exist on rocks near a large crack or at the entrance to a cave.

The next day I called the state biologist at Joshua Tree and reported the dead bighorn. She politely referred me to the BLM. They took all my information and asked me to email my photos to them, which I did. The day after that a friend called me and offered me $200 for the bighorn’s horns. I declined.











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edited by dsefcik on 1/31/2017
edited by RobertMarcos on 2/1/2017
22 days ago
Topic:
24 hour traverse of ABSP

DHeuschele
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Route: We started at pinyon canyon trail just off highway. Our first water stash was just past the squeeze. Maybe 1 to 2 miles after hapaha flats we went up an east trending ridge I would guess 300' gain. This was the first ridge on left that was attainable after hitting the canyon. We followed the ridge a short ways, maybe 0.5 miles. This is where our route differed from the plan. We intended to get in an East trending wash after a duration of ups and downs and hook into north fork fish creek where our second water stash was. This planned route would have been ~30 miles with ~2 miles off trail. Instead we got a south East wash that we climbed out of for scouting a few times but the route to where we wanted to be was badland like (full of deep washes to cross - would have resulted in many ups and downs). The south east trending wash merged with a north south wash. We were now significantly south or where we wanted to be. We sent scouts north and south. The north wash quickly petered out. The south wash would hit the main fork of fish creek wash road. So we decided to go further South. We hit the road 1.5 miles due south of our second water stash. We calculated about 6 miles to water stash following the road (requiring backtrack going west on north fork of fish creek) or 8 miles to vehicles parked at the start of fish creek road. We did a water survey. 1 person was short, 5 were about ideal for the finish and two had basically 2 quarts having started with 3 quarts at the squeeze (so they had way more water than they would need). We distributed water to the person short. We decided to skip the water drop and go to car. Wrong route I suspect was ~35 miles with maybe 5 miles off trails but some of that was in good wash.

After the trip I looked at the pictures my son had and know that if I was navigating I would not have stayed in the south east trending wash. During the trip I had not looked at those pictures and was hoping for an easier route than what we kept finding when we climbed out of a wash for a look. The issue was by the time we did this scoutingvwe were already too far south. The east traverse is to happen as soon as you come down the ridge. Once you go a little ways south you are in badlands.

We slept at cars and the next morning fetched our water stash.

As is typical on these types of trips there are some side stories that are interesting.

Summary: planned route ~30 miles with 2 miles off trail. Actual route used ~35 miles with ~5 miles off trail but these 5 in general were not as rough as the two planned).
22 days ago
Topic:
24 hour traverse of ABSP

dsefcik
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Topic: 24 hour traverse of ABSP
Some details about this traverse would be great......
23 days ago
Topic:
24 hour traverse of ABSP

ziphius
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That sounds like a great trip, hope you can provide additional details on the route. DHeuschele wrote:
My 14 year old son led a 24 hour traverse of ABSP this weekend. There were 7 people who had planned to do the entire route and all 7 finished (one person had planned to do the first 10 miles then hike out the 10 miles solo). There were some route issues. We missed the 2nd water drop (second of only two) all together. We also did maybe 5 additional miles due to the route issues. But no serious injuries (some cactus wounds) and,even with the route issues, the hike finished in under 24 hours.

I may post more details later.
23 days ago
Topic:
24 hour traverse of ABSP

DHeuschele
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Next up my child is leading a slightly easier 2 day backpack in Joshua Tree next month (low 20 miles if we can make it down rattle snake canyon - around 30 miles if we cannot). In May he wants to lead an attempt at the A16 3 Peak challenge weekend version (actually he wants the single day version but but I do not want to try the day version (I'm 53 years old and a little beaten (legs a little and feet a little but nothing major) from the ABSP 24 hour traverse).
23 days ago
Topic:
24 hour traverse of ABSP

DHeuschele
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My 14 year old son led a 24 hour traverse of ABSP this weekend. There were 7 people who had planned to do the entire route and all 7 finished (one person had planned to do the first 10 miles then hike out the 10 miles solo). There were some route issues. We missed the 2nd water drop (second of only two) all together. We also did maybe 5 additional miles due to the route issues. But no serious injuries (some cactus wounds) and,even with the route issues, the hike finished in under 24 hours.

I may post more details later.
26 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad update

Britain
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Here's a quick write up and some pictures along the service road.
http://www.icorva.com/index.php/2013-03-23-20-44-53/2013-04-20-02-04-08/2013-03-23-20-37-36/back-packing/66-powder-house-ii
26 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad update

railexplorer
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Britain wrote:
Don't think any ones been on it for a long long time if at all. Found another road to the north east. Ran out of time. Only did about half of it. Will hit it again later.


That's a great find. The few times I've been out in the gorge, I've noticed many trails heading up the sides of the gorge. I've guessed that they're work trails and have wanted to head up to the top and explore them. Now I know what's up there. One of these days I'll actually make it up on top of the gorge
27 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad update

Britain
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Don't think any ones been on it for a long long time if at all. Found another road to the north east. Ran out of time. Only did about half of it. Will hit it again later.
27 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad update

dsefcik
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Britain wrote:
Something I found while hiking above the tracks on the old service road. North of the trestle. Powder house II. Service trail runs about 3 miles on top.

Nice, I have wanted to hike that service road but have not made it so far....have hiked all of them south of the trestle though.
27 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad update

Britain
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Something I found while hiking above the tracks on the old service road. North of the trestle. Powder house II. Service trail runs about 3 miles on top.
1/22/2017
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad update

ziphius
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Thanks for the update railexplorer!
1/21/2017
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge Railroad update

railexplorer
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In case anyone is planning on taking a hike into the trestle just a heads up there are rockfalls at the east portals of tunnels 8 &16. The fall at 8 isn't to big, but the one at 16 is huge. !6's entrance isn't completely blocked but there's quite a pile to scramble over. I haven't been out there personally but saw the photos on another site.

For those of you wondering where tunnels 8 and !6 are. 16 is the tunnel just east of the Goat Canyon Trestle. (Dos Cabezas side of the trestle) Tunnel 8 is between Jacumba and the Goat Canyon Trestle.


As for the railroad..... The PIR filed for Bankruptcy protection. The reasons for the bankruptcy move are many. They still haven't filed any paperwork, EIR's, to start any construction work. So there's a whole lot of nothing going on.
edited by railexplorer on 1/22/2017
1/12/2017
Topic:
Borrego Palm Canyon Trail - Electronic Device

ziphius
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Florian wrote:
The truncated cone would contain satellite antenna (assuming it's pointing south). If the conduit leads to the creek probably a water flow sensor.
Ah! See I was exactly right........a water flow sensor measures water and..... water is part of the atmosphere. smile
1/12/2017
Topic:
Borrego Palm Canyon Trail - Electronic Device

Florian
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The truncated cone would contain satellite antenna (assuming it's pointing south). If the conduit leads to the creek probably a water flow sensor.
1/11/2017
Topic:
Route Advice for IP/Canebrake/Red Top

Canebrake Jeff
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The best way into Inner Pasture is mile 41 canyon. There used to be a road up this canyon, but it washed out years ago. I've been over the pass from Indian C. It's a good way into Upper Canebrake to see the Skeleton man pictograph. I've also been over from Torote to just above Crawford's old place. It's a nice way to go but kind of far. Moonlight is shorter than Mile 41 but rougher. Enjoy!
1/11/2017
Topic:
Borrego Palm Canyon Trail - Electronic Device

ziphius
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First guess without the benefit of being there is some kind of atmospheric data logging device?
1/10/2017
Topic:
Anza-Borrego Desert Region GPX files?

kylekai
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Great, thank you!
1/10/2017
Topic:
Anza-Borrego Desert Region GPX files?

tekewin
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If they are posted on peakbagger, they are intentionally shared. You have permission. For example, if you search for Whale Peak and find the one in CA at 5349', there will be a list of trip reports on the left. Some will have (GPS Track) next the name and that means they uploaded their GPX.

Click on a name with a GPS track and it will show you a map of their track on the right hand side. Below the map is a link to the file (Download this GPS track as a GPX file).

All of mine will be listed under Keith Winston, but many people use different routes, so you might want to browse the different tracks to select the ones you want to use. Good luck with your app!
1/10/2017
Topic:
Borrego Palm Canyon Trail - Electronic Device

Greenhorn
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I spent a few days camping at Borrego Springs -Palm Canyon Campground. On one of my hikes up Palm Canyon trail I noticed this electronic setup and was curious as to what it might be for. I have never really spent much time out that way, but it was a good trip and I look forward to returning. I've also enjoyed browsing this web site it's given me some ideas on places to go and things to see.

Don't recall specifically where it was as I was a little preoccupied with something else. I'm thinking about 2/3 the way up the basic trail to the palms, north side of the canyon, probably on the lower 1/4 of the hill side.


Thanks
1/10/2017
Topic:
Anza-Borrego Desert Region GPX files?

kylekai
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tekewin wrote:
There are a lot of GPX files for ABSP peaks at peakbagger.com. I upload all of my GPX files there for others to use.


OK, found some GPX files. How would I recognize your files? I don't want to use a GPX file unless I have permission. Thanks!
edited by kylekai on 1/10/2017
1/10/2017
Topic:
Anza-Borrego Desert Region GPX files?

kylekai
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tekewin wrote:
There are a lot of GPX files for ABSP peaks at peakbagger.com. I upload all of my GPX files there for others to use.



Great! Except I could not find any reference at peakbagger.com to download GPX files. There's a help topic on how to upload GPX files, but nothing about accessing or downloading them. Maybe I missed it; I'll keep looking. Thank you!
1/10/2017
Topic:
Anza-Borrego Desert Region GPX files?

tekewin
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There are a lot of GPX files for ABSP peaks at peakbagger.com. I upload all of my GPX files there for others to use.
1/10/2017
Topic:
Anza-Borrego Desert Region GPX files?

kylekai
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Well I finally decided to make my own iOS ABSP hiking app. It's in development now, but here's how it looks so far: http://modesittsoftware.com/Hikes/. The app will contain TOPO maps of the area, so you'll be able to view the maps offline. I've obtained permission from Modern Hiker http://www.modernhiker.com/area-maps/anza-borrego-desert-state-park/ to include their hikes in the app.

If anyone has any GPX files of hikes they've taken in ABSP and would like to see them in the app, let me know. The GPX file can include a link back to the contributor's site if desired. I'll probably charge a few dollars for the app in the App Store to cover development costs. Comments welcome!
1/9/2017
Topic:
Route Advice for IP/Canebrake/Red Top

tstone1227
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Thanks Jim and dsefcik! Originally I was just going to explore Indian Valley, but then I saw Jim's posts including the one about Red Top, which made me want to check out the Inner Pasture in the first place. Awesome pictures.

Red Top isn't a goal, just thought I might be able to bag it on the way, but if it's a 4 hour summit then I suppose I'll have to save it for another trip. I wonder if it's accessible from either the east or the southeast wash into Canebrake; that route looks pretty steep...

Definitely not an ultrarunner! I know I could do 11 miles in 2 days easily on a trail, but this is rocky desert so that changes things of course. I think I will take dsefcik's and your advice and leave Red Top for another trip. I hope the Torote north fork is passable into the Canebrake wash as I have it marked out. If I make it back I'll post pictures smile
1/7/2017
Topic:
Mt. Tule, Rozzie, Groan and Gasp

tekewin
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Robert,

Sorry for the late reply. I use a Canon Powershot Elph 170IS. Super light, small, and a pretty good point and shoot. It has a 12X optical zoom. It's not prosumer or pro level, but it seems to be the best compromise between quality, price, and portability for me. I usually buy one or two generations old because I go through about one camera a year. I am pretty rough on my equipment.
1/7/2017
Topic:
Route Advice for IP/Canebrake/Red Top

dsefcik
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Topic: Route Advice for IP/Canebrake/Red Top
I think it is doable without the Red Top section....if you are set on Red Top you may be better served starting in the north fork of Indian Valley and going over the small saddle near the quad "17" imprinted on the topo map. There is a small parking spot right off the main road and traces of an old indian trail you can follow up and over. The Crawford ranch is fenced so you will know where not to go if you decide to go down the Torote cyn route. There is so much to see and explore out there it is hard (for me) to focus on just hiking fast, we are always stopping to check out some cool plants, llizards, bighorn or cultural/historical stuff....same some time for that.
1/6/2017
Topic:
Route Advice for IP/Canebrake/Red Top

ziphius
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I've done Red Top once from Inner Pasture, taking the wash that is due north of the summit. My trip report is here. That is a tough, vegetation-choked route and I ended up taking a slightly different route down, avoiding the wash and deciding to deal with more boulders. I was able to summit Red Top in February by leaving my tent in Inner Pasture at 0645, taking about 4 hrs to summit, made it back to my tent around 1400 hrs, and then hiked out to my car at Agua Caliente via Moonlight Canyon. If Red Top is your goal and you only have 1 overnight, then I'd park at Agua Caliente Co. Pk. and take the Moonlight Canyon Route into Inner Pasture. Pay the $3 day use fee and indicate where you're going and when you're due out. Your pdf topo proposed route looked ambitious for a one-night trip, but maybe you're an ultrarunner. smile Two nights, I think you would be fine, but then you are carrying more water. Water is a limiting factor, as there aren't any reliable springs in Inner Pasture, other than the one time I encountered running water in the aforementioned wash. There is private property as the topo map indicates for the Crawford Ranch area. Daren on this forum has a lot of miles in that part of Canebrake / Inner Pasture and will probably have good advice. The next time I attempt Red Top, I'd try the SE face, which puts you in Canebrake. Good luck. - Jim
edited by ziphius on 1/6/2017
1/6/2017
Topic:
Route Advice for IP/Canebrake/Red Top

tstone1227
tstone1227
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Hi All,

I am planning an overnight backpack with a couple friends to the Tierra Blanca - Canebrake - Inner Pasture area. I was thinking of doing a point-to-point from Mountain Palm Springs to Agua Caliente. Is this feasible? I am an experienced off-trail desert hiker and backpacker but have never been to this area before. We will be carrying 6-8 liters per person. It looks like it is about 11 miles point-to-point from the topo I have; I was thinking of coming in through Torote Canyon into Canebrake Valley, then following the old road up into Inner Pasture for the night. Might try to bag Red Top in the morning before heading out through Moonlight Canyon.

I guess I am looking to see if anyone can recommend the easiest passable route into Canebrake/IP from Mountain Palm Springs, or if this is too ambitious for an overnight and I should just go in-and-out from Agua Caliente? I tried to attach my .pdf topo with the possible routes mapped out on it; does anyone know if these canyons are impassable/rougher than the others? What is the best route to ascend Red Top from Inner Pasture/Canebrake? How far do I have to skirt around the Crawford Ranch? Thanks in advance.
1/4/2017
Topic:
Ghost Mountain Article

dsefcik
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Topic: Ghost Mountain Article
Many of Marshal's paintings will be on display, I recognized many of them from Diana's book...I won't be able to make the event either but felt honored and privileged to have been asked to make prints from those very old and fragile glass plate negatives, many dated back to the early 1900's.
1/4/2017
Topic:
Ghost Mountain Article

herofix
herofix
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Thanks for sharing this event, I sure wish I could make it out there on a Friday afternoon...or a Tuesday before 2, for that matter. Such a fascinating man and topic. So glad I got to hear Rider speak in person a few years ago at the Escondido Library, where he signed a copy of Diana's book for me. Also whenever I'm in Julian I ask to see the murals that Marshall painted in various buildings there, including the basement of the Town Hall.
1/2/2017
Topic:
Ghost Mountain Article

rockhopper
rockhopper
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Thanks for the info Daren.
Here is the book I am reading. Loaded with tons of ABDSP factoids covering the 1940's and earlier.

Great article about the "Lost Emerald mine of Rock house valley"

edited by rockhopper on 1/2/2017
1/2/2017
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

rockhopper
rockhopper
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Regarding return trip: Sure, Robert and Ziphius if the stars align and we can all make it happen that's great. I am thinking Feb/March time for more daylite. Best scenario would camp near Coolage springs and leave early the next morning for a all day hike. So basically car camp/ day pack trip and return home at night, or stay an extra day? Now if I can just find those caves again.....
Cheers and Happy New Year
Rockhopper
1/2/2017
Topic:
McCain Valley Sunrise Power Link

dsefcik
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dsefcik
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Topic: McCain Valley Sunrise Power Link
They started widening the roads last summer, it is just more aggressive now.
1/1/2017
Topic:
McCain Valley Sunrise Power Link

Britain
Britain
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That's to bad placing the wind farms there. The ones in Ocotillo haven't lived up to power expectations.
1/1/2017
Topic:
McCain Valley Sunrise Power Link

ziphius
ziphius
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Update on McCain Valley Road vehicle / construction activity related to Tule Wind project.
12/31/2016
Topic:
To the top of El Cajon Mountain aka "The Beast"

ziphius
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dsefcik wrote:
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I have 4 or 5 trips under my belt...nice work, going for 100??


Yep, going for 100. I never carried the weight you did up that peak though.
12/31/2016
Topic:
To the top of El Cajon Mountain aka "The Beast"

dsefcik
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I have 4 or 5 trips under my belt...nice work, going for 100??
12/31/2016
Topic:
Ghost Mountain Article

dsefcik
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Topic: Ghost Mountain Article
Beginning in January, there will be a series of talks and field trips related to Marshal South. Many of his artifacts, paintings, jewelry, photographs, sculptures, and pottery will be on display this desert season at the Begole Archaeological Research Center in Anza-Borrego Desert State Park – open to the public on Tuesdays from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and on special occasions.
12/31/2016
Topic:
Ghost Mountain Article

dsefcik
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The Marshal South collection is now on exhibit at the BARC Library in Borrego Springs. Many of the photographs that will be on display I printed from original glass plate negatives that were given to Diana by Rider South. The exhibit will also have many original items from the homestead.

http://borregosun.com/story/2016/11/27/Information/Marshal-South-Writes-Again/3191.html



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12/30/2016
Topic:
To the top of El Cajon Mountain aka "The Beast"

ziphius
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surfponto wrote:
Geesh I said I would never do it a second time :-)


I said the same thing after my first trip in 2002. Didn't do the 2nd trip until 2007. Then in late 2010, I started doing it on a regular basis.
12/30/2016
Topic:
To the top of El Cajon Mountain aka "The Beast"

surfponto
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80 times. Geesh I said I would never do it a second time :-)
Congrats that is awesome.
12/30/2016
Topic:
Ghost Mountain Article

ziphius
ziphius
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ziphius
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Topic: Ghost Mountain Article
That's a great quote rockhopper. So true.
12/30/2016
Topic:
Ghost Mountain Article

rockhopper
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Thanks for sharing. For further reading I highly recommend Diana Lindsays "Marshall South and the Ghost mountian chronicles 321 pages and photos. Marshall South interviewed many characters and old timers who lived in the Borrego and Coachella valley. He was very philosophical.
"Man struggles to grow beyond the primitive, and once obtains all, he seeks the primitive in his leisure"
12/30/2016
Topic:
To the top of El Cajon Mountain aka "The Beast"

rockhopper
rockhopper
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Ziphius must hold the record for that climb. 80! Congrats! I did it once years ago. It's a long round trip hike. One guy out of three of us dropped out on the way up.
12/30/2016
Topic:
Ghost Mountain Article

anutami
anutami
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anutami
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Topic: Ghost Mountain Article
Nice little article in our local paper smile

http://ramonajournal.com/on-memorys-back-trail-the-desert-refuge-of-ghost-mountain-p8269-88.htm
edited by anutami on 12/30/2016
12/29/2016
Topic:
To the top of El Cajon Mountain aka "The Beast"

Britain
Britain
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Thats a tough hike. Lots of up and downs. 80th time? Wow.
12/28/2016
Topic:
To the top of El Cajon Mountain aka "The Beast"

ziphius
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Bagged the peak for the 80th time today. My daughter made a sign for me:




edited by ziphius on 12/29/2016
12/27/2016
Topic:
Mt. Tule, Rozzie, Groan and Gasp

Britain
Britain
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What ever camera you choose on, look into this. I place it on my day pack and larger pack. Holds a fairly heavy camera. Has a quick release to remove camera. I pack a lot of lenses so my pack is sort of heavy.
https://www.peakdesign.com/capture-pro-camera-clip-previous-plates?gclid=Cj0KEQiAv4jDBRCC1IvzqqDnkYYBEiQA89utoraiBnh8i6UzAHPiyltzmhsYc8LNslmcf27vFisQoZQaAr0P8P8HAQ
edited by Britain on 12/27/2016
12/27/2016
Topic:
Mt. Tule, Rozzie, Groan and Gasp

RobertMarcos
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Gorgeous photos. May I ask what kind of camera? I need something lightweight...
12/26/2016
Topic:
Mt. Tule, Rozzie, Groan and Gasp

Britain
Britain
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Nice may look into doing some of this.
12/26/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

RobertMarcos
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No, I did not see that sign. And I had a very "investigative" visit, like Columbo arriving at a crime scene...except without the cigar.

dsefcik wrote:
rockhopper wrote:

Btw , way the sign still there?



It was there last November 2015, we stopped by Travertine on our way out of Martinez.


edited by dsefcik on 12/26/2016
12/26/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

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Topic: Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea
RobertMarcos wrote:

Now here’s the great part. On the way out I found what appeared to be an ancient indian trail. When I say “ancient” I mean that the stones laying on the narrow trail had a heavy brown patina, (desert varnish), and shrubs had grown over parts of the trail. Not a single rock had been overturned for maybe 300 years. (When I make an estimate like that its based on archaeological research I read. Scientists had carbon dated the remains of a cooked fish that they uncovered in a fire ring near the shoreline of Ancient Lake Cahuilla. The test showed that the fish had been cooked in 1740, plus or minus 30 years. After that the ancient lake completely dried up, and the indians didn't catch any more fish until the Trader Joes opened in 2014.



This is the trail I remember when I was out there

12/26/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

dsefcik
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Topic: Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea
rockhopper wrote:

Btw , way the sign still there?



It was there last November 2015, we stopped by Travertine on our way out of Martinez.


edited by dsefcik on 12/26/2016
12/24/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

rockhopper
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ziphius wrote:
Nice trip. Also known as 'Travertine Palms'. From Diana Lindsay's book, Anza-Borrego A to Z: "Travertine Palms had been used by Cahuilla Indians as a resting place along a trail leading into the Santa Rosa Mountains from the Coachella Valley. Fig Tree John, a Cahuilla Indian recluse, was said to have used the oasis while working his alleged gold mine located somewhere nearby."

Any signs of surface water at the palms? - Jim
edited by ziphius on 12/24/2016


Thanks for the reminder about "Fig Tree John" Absolutely fantastic reading of this desert icon. He likely traveled every canyon for 100 miles around his homestead/spring/fig farm. He had to move when the Salton sea was filling in 1905. Many that knew him claimed he lived over 100. His son claimed he lived to 136. I need to eat more figs!!!!
btw if you google " Fig tree john gold map" his gold mine looks around Nicolas canyon area??
12/24/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

RobertMarcos
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I would love to participate...thank you.
12/24/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

ziphius
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rockhopper wrote:

It is a fantastic area out there. I would like to return sometime in Spring 2017 to the caves about a mile from the Travertine oasis. Any takers?


I would gladly participate in that adventure. - Jim
12/24/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

rockhopper
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Thanks Robert,
It is a fantastic area out there. I would like to return sometime in Spring 2017 to the caves about a mile from the Travertine oasis. Any takers?

Btw , way the sign still there?

edited by rockhopper on 12/24/2016
12/24/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

RobertMarcos
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I just saw Rockhopper's (much better) article about this same place. It's called Travertine Palms. He has great photos...
http://www.anzaborrego.net/AnzaBorrego/forum/topic455-travertine-palms-oasis-and-caves.aspx
12/24/2016
Topic:
Travertine Palms Oasis and Caves

RobertMarcos
RobertMarcos
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A great and productive tour. Thanks for the photos.
12/24/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

RobertMarcos
RobertMarcos
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Hi Jim - I'm very sorry to learn that I didn't discover that place, dang it. There's no sign of water there, or anywhere else in that small range. And it does very much resemble an "overnight rest stop" as opposed to a long-term habitat. There's LOTS of old trails and sleeping circles but very few pottery shards and no morteros, petroglyphs, or old bones leftover from dinner. I assume that when the Ancient Lake Cahuilla dried up the natives had to abandon the area altogether.
12/24/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

ziphius
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Nice trip. Also known as 'Travertine Palms'. From Diana Lindsay's book, Anza-Borrego A to Z: "Travertine Palms had been used by Cahuilla Indians as a resting place along a trail leading into the Santa Rosa Mountains from the Coachella Valley. Fig Tree John, a Cahuilla Indian recluse, was said to have used the oasis while working his alleged gold mine located somewhere nearby."

Any signs of surface water at the palms? - Jim
edited by ziphius on 12/24/2016
12/23/2016
Topic:
rock circles, rock alignments

RobertMarcos
RobertMarcos
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What I've seen are circular fish traps along the shore of Ancient Lake Cahuilla, and the circular foundations of the Native American's hovels. Did they call them "hovels" out here or is that just the Navajo? Anyway I found three circular foundations today, in the canyons west of the Salton Sea. I'll post a photo if I can figure out how...
12/23/2016
Topic:
Coyote Creek 0.92", Borrego Springs 1.14". 24hr

RobertMarcos
RobertMarcos
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It was a really good soaking rain, (not a flood), here in La Quinta. With rain like this we can expect a lot of wildflowers this year!
12/23/2016
Topic:
Travertine Point - West of the Salton Sea

RobertMarcos
RobertMarcos
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Earlier this year I had a terrific hike to a place that I found on Google Earth. I found it while I was scouring the desert floor searching for the lost Spanish pearl ship of Juan De Iturbe. (see photo #1)

Instead of the 400-year old ship I found a lovely palm oasis tucked in a small canyon about four miles west of Travertine Point. Travertine Point is a prominent hill covered with coral and graffiti. It’s at the intersection of Highway 86 and 86th Avenue - a mile north of the town of Desert Shores, just west of the Salton Sea. (See photo #2)

My first attempt to reach the hidden oasis was in April 2016. The weather was borderline hot, about 90-degrees by midday. I got a late start that day and didn’t arrive until about 3 pm. I turned off highway 86 at 86th Avenue and parked my car in the dirt. I got my mountain bike out and rode a mile down the dirt road past two huge vineyards. At that point you can see the small mountain range about 3 miles to your left, (south). I rode at most another mile before the packed sand turned to small boulders, and then into large boulders. I hid my bike, (too well as it turned out because it took me 40-minutes to find it afterward), then took off on foot.

I personally have never had a problem with coyotes, but that day I got really spooked because at about 5pm about twenty of them started howling, and the packs seemed to surround me. I couldn’t see any of them but being out by yourself, without any protection whatsoever, while the sun is sinking…etc., etc. I called it a day.

We had a cool snap about two weeks later and I arrived much earlier. This time I left my bike and parked beside a power substation in Coolidge Springs. I set off on foot towards the southern boundary of the vineyard. Their fence ends at the hillside so you can hike around it. Note - very likely you’ll be trespassing at this point. But by hiking along the vineyard’s southern border you’ll make double time, as opposed to hiking over the mountains to the oasis.

I don’t have a GPS so I used a compass to follow headings that I’d written out in advance. It took me about two hours to reach the palm oasis, and it was worth it. There was evidence of Native American use - a large fire ring and several large shards of pottery laying in plain sight. The only evidence of a “non-native” visitor was the initials “JD” and the date “January 1941” carved on a round stone along the trail.

Now here’s the great part. On the way out I found what appeared to be an ancient indian trail. When I say “ancient” I mean that the stones laying on the narrow trail had a heavy brown patina, (desert varnish), and shrubs had grown over parts of the trail. Not a single rock had been overturned for maybe 300 years. (When I make an estimate like that its based on archaeological research I read. Scientists had carbon dated the remains of a cooked fish that they uncovered in a fire ring near the shoreline of Ancient Lake Cahuilla. The test showed that the fish had been cooked in 1740, plus or minus 30 years. After that the ancient lake completely dried up, and the indians didn't catch any more fish until the Trader Joes opened in 2014.

Anyway the old indian trail carried me most of the way back with barely any trespassing required. Walking along that trail, the sun low on the horizon, I felt a historic connection to the ancient people and to the mountains they inhabited.
edited by RobertMarcos on 12/23/2016
edited by RobertMarcos on 12/23/2016
12/22/2016
Topic:
Coyote Creek 0.92", Borrego Springs 1.14". 24hr

ziphius
ziphius
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Yep, that was a lot of rain for Borrego Spr., even in winter! smile
12/22/2016
Topic:
Coyote Creek 0.92", Borrego Springs 1.14". 24hr

rockhopper
rockhopper
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NOAA 24hr ending 11am Thurs. Dec. 22
Southern storm leaving the area. Northern stronger storm coming tomorrow.
Welcome Winter!!!!!!!! ; _ )
12/22/2016
Topic:
rock circles, rock alignments

rockhopper
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I guess I mean there are all kinds of rock circles?.....?
I've seen the spoke pebble wheels in the desert sand and close to the coast, but assumed they were a old hundred years old or so. Although circles in the right environment could last for centuries.
edited by rockhopper on 12/22/2016
edited by rockhopper on 12/22/2016




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