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18 hours ago
Topic:
Sunrise in Jojoba Wash

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Topic: Sunrise in Jojoba Wash
Fantastic picture!
18 hours ago
Topic:
Butler Canyon

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Topic: Butler Canyon
dsefcik wrote:
Did you find the BHS skull and bones?



I did not see the skull and bones, but I definitely need to spend more time exploring the canyon.
18 hours ago
Topic:
Sunrise in Jojoba Wash

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Nice heading out tomorrow for the calcite Mine and slot canyons.
18 hours ago
Topic:
Butler Canyon

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Topic: Butler Canyon
Great report! I really need to get out there I just don't think my 2wd Ford Escape will do well. I drove it in about 5.5 miles in from the road and that was about as far as I felt comfortable.
18 hours ago
Topic:
240 Years of Cattle Ranching

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dsefcik wrote:
It is a good paper...it was written by Sue Wade who was the park archeologist until a few years ago when she retired. Search for other documents written by her, you should find a few more.
edited by dsefcik on 1/21/2020



Will do. Was really fascinated by the level of detail.
18 hours ago
Topic:
Sunrise in Jojoba Wash

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Topic: Sunrise in Jojoba Wash
Spent two nights out in Jojoba Wash.
Yeah I know I need to expand my horizons .. wink

Caught this spectacular sunrise Monday morning.

edited by surfponto on 1/21/2020
18 hours ago
Topic:
Butler Canyon

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Topic: Butler Canyon
Thanks for posting that..I was out there with my son at Christmas and saw how buried the cart was...maybe it will get un-buried after the next flash flood thru there..! Did you find the BHS skull and bones?
18 hours ago
Topic:
Jojoba Wash with new All Terrain Bobcat truck camp

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Really makes camping nice in my opinion.
Getting too old to get in and out of a tent anymore ;-)


Rocko1 wrote:
I would love to have a camper. My grandpa gave his old truck-1978 F250


To my brother and myself. I had no room to store it so it's currently in Washington with him. Sadly the camper is long gone.
18 hours ago
Topic:
240 Years of Cattle Ranching

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Topic: 240 Years of Cattle Ranching
It is a good paper...it was written by Sue Wade who was the park archeologist until a few years ago when she retired. Search for other documents written by her, you should find a few more.
edited by dsefcik on 1/21/2020
18 hours ago
Topic:
Butler Canyon

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Topic: Butler Canyon
Thanks for sharing.
I need to get up there.
I spend too much time in the south. :-)
18 hours ago
Topic:
Butler Canyon

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Topic: Butler Canyon
Had a quick trip to Butler Canyon over the weekend. We got a very late start, arriving at 3 pm, so we could only explore a couple of miles of the canyon. But it was a perfect afternoon--70 degrees and no wind--and it was the highlight of my weekend just to be out there, even for a couple of hours.


Rockhouse Canyon Rd. is in great shape. We drove to the Butler/Rockhouse junction and then drove about another mile towards Butler before parking. There is one small stretch of deep sand about 8 miles from S-22 where I used 4WD (and probably needed it). No other issues at all with the road.

Even though there have been some obvious flash floods, Butler Canyon makes for some very easy walking as far as desert canyons go.

Looking back towards the canyon mouth:


Ran across the remnants of a hand cart that has been ravaged by time (and floods).



Here is what the cart looked like in 2012, from Daren's trip report:


The next flash flood may bury it for good. And that was a good reminder of the fleeting nature of the desert landscape. The canyon may have been dead calm on my visit but it is ever-changing and will look different the next time.
18 hours ago
Topic:
240 Years of Cattle Ranching

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Was searching the internet when I came about this paper written on the history of cattle ranching in San Diego County. It has many references to Anza Borrego and surrounding areas. Many pictures, old interviews, etc. Very interesting.

PDF File
http://sohosandiego.org/warners/images/240yearsofranching.pdf

Here is where I got the info. Also has more details, interviews, etc.
http://sohosandiego.org/warners/cattleranching.htm
edited by Rocko1 on 1/21/2020
1 days ago
Topic:
Another Death Valley Trip

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Nice. Looks fun and cold.
1 days ago
Topic:
Daughters first hike

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Topic: Daughters first hike
Scooter wrote:
Over the last ten years I have taken my daughter up the Palm Springs tram and backpacked in 2.5 miles to Round Valley. Then go to the peak the next day with daypacks. It is a good way to introduce them to backpacking. Over the summer, when Borrego is too hot.

That is a great trip.
1 days ago
Topic:
Daughters first hike

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Topic: Daughters first hike
Over the last ten years I have taken my daughter up the Palm Springs tram and backpacked in 2.5 miles to Round Valley. Then go to the peak the next day with daypacks. It is a good way to introduce them to backpacking. Over the summer, when Borrego is too hot.
1 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek - Gert wash

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Theres was an elderly Chinese lady hiking around in a dress and sandals. She mentioned multiple trucks of different types were going in and out through the week.
1 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek - Gert wash

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dsefcik wrote:
Yep, the Tamarisk guys will torch them down, I remember once flying in a helicopter over Carrizo Gorge and they were torching tons of them, just burnt spot after another.



Did they tell you anything about their mission?



The group I ran into were just workers. But they did say no headway being made.

Nice copter ride.
1 days ago
Topic:
Another Death Valley Trip

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dsefcik wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
Great pictures and interesting find. The last looks like some sort of large bullet?
Not sure, almost more like a ballistic head or such, was not really a "bullet". It was however something barely sticking out of the ground right in the middle of a burro trail and I kicked it around a few times as only about a 1/4" was exposed in the dirt....then I pulled it out and thought maybe I should not have been kicking it...dunno



The tip for sure looks like an ordinance. The odd thing is there shouldn't be a seam on the casing? Interesting for sure.
1 days ago
Topic:
Palm Canyon Fire

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Topic: Palm Canyon Fire
dsefcik wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
Sad. I can't imagine it not being some idiot who lit/caused the fire.
My unofficial sources say it was an idiot who did it on purpose.



I hope they catch them. Will these trees recover?
1 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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dsefcik wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:

Was this a 2 day trip Daren? Curious as the time required to get in/out.

Yeah, Craig and I did a single over nighter, was easy enough and we explored around out on the flat.

Thanks. Adding this to my long list of trips to complete.
1 days ago
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

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Topic: Oriflame Mountain
dsefcik wrote:
You get any ticks?/ They seem to be abundant this year, I got one going up Sunset Mtn last weekend and that was mostly all boulders.

Surprisingly no ticks. I treat my shoes/pants/shirt/pack with Sawyer permethrin every month also. I constantly checked and saw none. We didn't use any game trails for what it's worth. Last year my brother had 2 or 3 near Lizard Wash and we hardly got near any brush at all. I have considered sending my hiking clothes to Insect Shield. That supposedly lasts 70 washes.
edited by Rocko1 on 1/20/2020
1 days ago
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

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Topic: Oriflame Mountain
You get any ticks?/ They seem to be abundant this year, I got one going up Sunset Mtn last weekend and that was mostly all boulders.
1 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek - Gert wash

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Topic: Carrizo Creek - Gert wash
Yep, the Tamarisk guys will torch them down, I remember once flying in a helicopter over Carrizo Gorge and they were torching tons of them, just burnt spot after another.



Did they tell you anything about their mission?
1 days ago
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

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Topic: Oriflame Mountain
Nice, great weather also.
1 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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Topic: Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?
Rocko1 wrote:

Was this a 2 day trip Daren? Curious as the time required to get in/out.

Yeah, Craig and I did a single over nighter, was easy enough and we explored around out on the flat.
1 days ago
Topic:
Another Death Valley Trip

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Topic: Another Death Valley Trip
Rocko1 wrote:
Great pictures and interesting find. The last looks like some sort of large bullet?
Not sure, almost more like a ballistic head or such, was not really a "bullet". It was however something barely sticking out of the ground right in the middle of a burro trail and I kicked it around a few times as only about a 1/4" was exposed in the dirt....then I pulled it out and thought maybe I should not have been kicking it...dunno
1 days ago
Topic:
Palm Canyon Fire

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Topic: Palm Canyon Fire
Rocko1 wrote:
Sad. I can't imagine it not being some idiot who lit/caused the fire.
My unofficial sources say it was an idiot who did it on purpose.
1 days ago
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

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Topic: Oriflame Mountain
Talked the wife and daughter into a hike on Sunday to upper Oriflame Creek and mountain. What I failed to mention that it involved some bushwhacking. We parked off S1 at the Lucky Five Ranch gate, crossed S1 and walked down the jeep road to a spot we could find a path to Oriflame North Peak.

Left the road and made our way up to the saddle between the north and south Oriflame peaks.


North peak register. These peaks don’t see much traffic, a visitor every 6 months or so.



Great views from here.

Video-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVgq2JuCnzs&feature=youtu.be


We then followed the ridge south to the southern peak. The brush is really coming back strong and there is no trail. Just find path of least resistance.


Took a break at the top.


From here we just went west to connect back to the jeep road. This was the thickest brush. Slow going.
Before heading back we explored the sandy creek bottom. Found some pottery pieces. Was really excited-first time seeing this.


This looked like the top lip of a bowl.




Headed back up the road. Older Chevy truck.


View from the top is pretty nice. So many peaks in this picture. San Gorgonio, San Jacinto, Chariot, Granite, Toro, Rabbit, Villager, Whale. I am sure I am missing a few.


Link to album. https://imgur.com/a/5j6Ud9q

6.5 miles total. 1,400ft gain. I would like to follow the creek down to desert sometime when the water is flowing.


edited by Rocko1 on 1/20/2020
1 days ago
Topic:
Daughters first hike

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Topic: Daughters first hike
Britain wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
Yeah, that is a hard hike for sure. I think the hardest part of taking my kids-when they are willing-is finding one they will enjoy.


Going to get her some hill climbing soon. We'll see if she still likes hiking. Shes not an avid hiker but likes to do one every so often.



Canyon Sin Nombre might be a cool spot. My boys really liked going through the slot canyons and climbing up the hills in this area. Not too hard either.
1 days ago
Topic:
Daughters first hike

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Topic: Daughters first hike
Rocko1 wrote:
Yeah, that is a hard hike for sure. I think the hardest part of taking my kids-when they are willing-is finding one they will enjoy.


Going to get her some hill climbing soon. We'll see if she still likes hiking. Shes not an avid hiker but likes to do one every so often.
1 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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tekewin wrote:
Rocko1,

as a baseline, it took me 8 hours 15 minutes to go up Webo, drop down into Hellhole Flat and loop around past Lookout Knob. I want to spend more time in Hellhole but the admission price is pretty high going this way. I'm hoping it's better using Daren's route or coming from the east.





Thank you. That is a long haul especially with it getting dark so early. An overnight would open up lots of possibilities.
1 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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Rocko1,

as a baseline, it took me 8 hours 15 minutes to go up Webo, drop down into Hellhole Flat and loop around past Lookout Knob. I want to spend more time in Hellhole but the admission price is pretty high going this way. I'm hoping it's better using Daren's route or coming from the east.


1 days ago
Topic:
Daughters first hike

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Topic: Daughters first hike
Yeah, that is a hard hike for sure. I think the hardest part of taking my kids-when they are willing-is finding one they will enjoy.
1 days ago
Topic:
Daughters first hike

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Topic: Daughters first hike
Rocko1 wrote:
Looks like fun. Did you hike to trestle?


Not this time. She was pretty sore the next day.
1 days ago
Topic:
Daughters first hike

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Topic: Daughters first hike
Looks like fun. Did you hike to trestle?
1 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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dsefcik wrote:
I did it from Culp Valley Campground...easy?...sure, I guess...compared to..??

Full route and photos: https://www.darensefcik.com/Photography/Anza-Borrego-Desert-State-Park/Hellhole-Flat-10-16-2016/



Was this a 2 day trip Daren? Curious as the time required to get in/out.
1 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek - Gert wash

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Nice photos. I have never been in that area myself. Weather looked great.
1 days ago
Topic:
Palm Canyon Fire

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Topic: Palm Canyon Fire
Sad. I can't imagine it not being some idiot who lit/caused the fire.
1 days ago
Topic:
Another Death Valley Trip

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Great pictures and interesting find. The last looks like some sort of large bullet?
2 days ago
Topic:
Daughters first hike

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Topic: Daughters first hike
Well, she wanted to so I tool here on a low impact hike. Ended up 8 miles. She was introduced to Mr. Cholla and Ms. Catsclaw. They welcomed her warmly. She's been properly introduced. She did well. The next day the complaining started. Next hike will be some climbing lets see



2 days ago
Topic:
Another Death Valley Trip

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Nice trip Daren.
2 days ago
Topic:
Palm Canyon Fire

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Topic: Palm Canyon Fire
Some copter action vid. But its FB vid.

https://www.facebook.com/sicco.rood/videos/10104994544619613/UzpfSTI3MjIxNTg0OlZLOjI2MjkyNzI3MzM5NzQyMjg/?multi_permalinks=2629272470640921&comment_id=2629742817260553¬if_id=1579453436613987¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic
2 days ago
Topic:
Palm Canyon Fire

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Topic: Palm Canyon Fire
Grove burned really bad. The park prevents burning and the palm fronds were really thick. This grove may have been damaged really bad. It will come back though. Burned groves in Myers are healthy.
2 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek - Gert wash

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13 miler. Started at the closed gate into the Rehab area. Ran into the Tamarisk killers. Machette, Chainsaw, Poison and flame thrower guys. They told me it can't be destroyed. A lot of Akaline salt on the ground from the rains. There are even some lakes. At the Stage ruins, I went north up to the first Mesa to find a square rock formation.

I got buzzed at by a Navy copter that circled me then headed off toward the Red Rock Canyon area.


The mesa was about a mile long and narrow. Where I came up it was a foot wide or so. I exited into the Gert wash on the north end off the narrow mesa about 2 miles south of the Gert benchmarks. Missed my planned drop off out of South Mesa by a mile or 2. I ended up in a snake winding canyon that took me to Seco Del Diablo.











Gert Wash




Marker I found haha that was next to a gully off of south mesa.

2 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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Nice lion track tekewin.
2 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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dsefcik wrote:

The drop down to the H-E-double hockey sticks (on the topo) is total bushwack and probably ticks, the north side of the draw is much nicer. There was water flowing down in the draw when I did that trip. I also saw a family of deer up there.



Awesome, thanks.
2 days ago
Topic:
Another Death Valley Trip

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Great trip report. Thanks for posting
2 days ago
Topic:
Another Death Valley Trip

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Topic: Another Death Valley Trip
Spent another week out in Death Valley after Xmas. Took some color film this time.

https://www.darensefcik.com/Photography/Death-Valley/Death-Valley-12-26-2019/

Anybody know what this ampoule might contain? Nitro? Morphine? Found a concentrated area of them, all broken except this one, I left it in a gentle place.



Crystal Camp Epsom Salt Mine


Plenty of snow all around


What the heck is this??


Total Mylar Balloons was like 20 or something, too lazy to take photos of them, sorry....

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2 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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Topic: Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?
tekewin wrote:
Thanks, Daren! It looks like you picked a good place to cross Hellhole Canyon. When I was looking at the map, I considered going up the side of Webo, but that would be inefficient. I'll save this track and try it next time I head out there.

The drop down to the H-E-double hockey sticks (on the topo) is total bushwack and probably ticks, the north side of the draw is much nicer. There was water flowing down in the draw when I did that trip. I also saw a family of deer up there.
2 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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Buford wrote:

Easiest entry is probably via the Bonny BM area. Then you are stuck trying to figure out how to exit. A car shuttle makes it easier. I pulled more mylar out of Hellhole flats than anywhere else.



Thanks, Buford. I'll take a look at going from Bonnie compared to Culp. I know the area pretty well. I move about about 1.5 mph in this terrain so getting out by dark is a concern in winter.

Here are a couple of photos from a visit last week.







2 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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dsefcik wrote:
I did it from Culp Valley Campground...easy?...sure, I guess...compared to..??

Full route and photos: https://www.darensefcik.com/Photography/Anza-Borrego-Desert-State-Park/Hellhole-Flat-10-16-2016/



Thanks, Daren! It looks like you picked a good place to cross Hellhole Canyon. When I was looking at the map, I considered going up the side of Webo, but that would be inefficient. I'll save this track and try it next time I head out there.
3 days ago
Topic:
Palm Canyon Fire

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Topic: Palm Canyon Fire
Just read online that Borrego Palm Canyon burned today. Any info?

Fire is natural, but always sad if a cool area burns.

Human idiocy would be my guess as to the cause. Hopefully not too much damage.
3 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
dsefcik wrote:
tekewin wrote:
The cougars I've caught on camera have always been in canyons, in forested ranges, too, not just the desert.
Cougars definitely will hang out up on ridges and at water sources, they will go where needed and they definitely have a presence in ABDSP where BHS and deer habitate.


Just came back from Mine Wash stopped by the Ocotillo Wells visitor center on my trip they had a current photo of a Mountain Lion by the off road rental places on highway 78. They are everywhere !!
3 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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I have been to Hellhole flats a few times. There is no "easy" way.

Once entered from Thimble/Ysidro and exited to Pena Spring. Similar exit to Dsefcik's track that is linked.

Once entered from Bonny/White/Goat and exited to the desert floor at the visitor center.

Once up from the desert floor and Ode/Kay/Sirens then down Webo.

Easiest entry is probably via the Bonny BM area. Then you are stuck trying to figure out how to exit. A car shuttle makes it easier. I pulled more mylar out of Hellhole flats than anywhere else.


Here is the view from the ridge just north of Pena Spring looking across Hellhole canyon towards the flats.

3 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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Topic: Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?
I did it from Culp Valley Campground...easy?...sure, I guess...compared to..??

Full route and photos: https://www.darensefcik.com/Photography/Anza-Borrego-Desert-State-Park/Hellhole-Flat-10-16-2016/
3 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
tekewin wrote:
The cougars I've caught on camera have always been in canyons, in forested ranges, too, not just the desert.
Cougars definitely will hang out up on ridges and at water sources, they will go where needed and they definitely have a presence in ABDSP where BHS and deer habitate.
3 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

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Topic: Resident desert rat
Welcome. Yes, please post some of your favorite places in "your back yard"
Cheers
3 days ago
Topic:
Easiest way to Hellhole Flats?

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I've visited Hellhole Flat twice. Both times, started at Maidenhair Falls TH. First time, over Sirens, second time over Webo.

Is there an easier way to get there than going over Webo?


Has anybody gotten there from Culp Valley Campground? Less gain, but all the terrain in between looks pretty nasty.
edited by tekewin on 1/18/2020
3 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

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Topic: Resident desert rat
Hey there!
4 days ago
Topic:
Jojoba Wash with new All Terrain Bobcat truck camp

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I would love to have a camper. My grandpa gave his old truck-1978 F250


To my brother and myself. I had no room to store it so it's currently in Washington with him. Sadly the camper is long gone.
4 days ago
Topic:
Jojoba Wash with new All Terrain Bobcat truck camp

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Those are cool. Crazy they still make them.
A little heavy for the 4 cylinder Tacoma smile

dsefcik wrote:
5 days ago
Topic:
Jojoba Wash with new All Terrain Bobcat truck camp

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5 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

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Topic: Resident desert rat
Welcome! Would love to hear about some good spots in the Santa Rosas for camping.
5 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
During an overnight backpack last year with my wife to Bighorn/Nolina Canyon she woke me abruptly up in the middle of the night saying there was something sniffing the outside of our tent loudly. I said it was probably a field mouse, go back to sleep.. There were lots of fresh, large cat tracks the next morning and we were camping within a few hundred yards of the guzzler.
5 days ago
Topic:
PCT North of Scissors Crossing

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deborah wrote:
Nice photos and trip report! Love the sunrise picture. I bet the moon was beautiful too. Looks like a fun day out! What was it you wrote in an earlier post, 20 before 2?

Thanks. smile Yes, 20 before 2. I don't know why I got that in my head. I think I prefer the south bound PCT from Scissors Crossing but just by a small margin. Both have great views and are well maintained. This section has less brush. Plenty of camp spots along the trail as well-every mile or so.

Grapevine Mtn looked a lot easier peak to grab on the maps as opposed to once your on the trail. I'd like to do that someday as well.
edited by Rocko1 on 1/16/2020
6 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
tekewin wrote:
I've had feelings of a cougar being nearby twice in AB. Once in Cougar Canyon on the way back from Square Top. The other by Goat BM below San Ysidro. Near Goat BM, I also smelled cougar urine shortly after picking up a baby deer skull. A little freaky.


I can see how that would be a little freaky. I don't really know how much of it really is just in my head, but I know I think about it more around early dawn hours and dusk. And things like canyons versus open space. I've never seen one, but I know that doesn't mean that they haven't seen me.
6 days ago
Topic:
PCT North of Scissors Crossing

deborah
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Nice photos and trip report! Love the sunrise picture. I bet the moon was beautiful too. Looks like a fun day out! What was it you wrote in an earlier post, 20 before 2?
7 days ago
Topic:
Coyote Mountain

rockhopper
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Topic: Coyote Mountain
deborah wrote:
Nice photos and trip report!

tekewin wrote:
Nice hike. Coyote is a fun mountain and so accessible from Borrego Springs. Bonus on the Schad sig.

I experienced the strongest wind I've ever hiked in on Coyote. Knocked down a couple times and nearly turned back. Didn't even think about going to the south summit. Might be interesting to try it from one of the west ridges.



I had a really windy day on Coyote Mountain too. It was blowing so hard it was almost comical.

Before the holidays I had been spending some time up Alcoholic Pass and either towards Coyote Mountain or north up on the rocks. Seems like it's windy up there more often than not. But as soon as you drop down off the ridge to the east it quiets down considerably.

I thought it was interesting that the Rack bench mark (as shown on CalTopo) was actually Rock.



When those N/W winds ramp up in the Winter and Spring and come down and hit the San Jacintos and Santa Rosas they can really funnel thru Anza heading downhill thru Coyote Canyon into Clark dry lake. On the same day you can be in a T-shirt in the Sun with a nice breeze on the East side of the base of Santa Rosas.
Coyote has a great overview of the dry, some times "lake".

edited by rockhopper on 1/14/2020
edited by rockhopper on 1/14/2020
edited by rockhopper on 1/14/2020
7 days ago
Topic:
Old cowboy grave whereabouts?

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Went out yesterday to look for it. Didnt find it.
7 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

Buford
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Buford
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Topic: Resident desert rat
Welcome. Lots of info and knowledgeable people here.
7 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
deborah wrote:

And I can see how an associated risk of the canyons can affect the sheep's behavior. Actually, I think I relate to it personally. It might sound strange, but I notice that different areas have a different "feel" to me. I do a lot of solo trips, sometimes running... It gets in my head sometimes.



I've had feelings of a cougar being nearby twice in AB. Once in Cougar Canyon on the way back from Square Top. The other by Goat BM below San Ysidro. Near Goat BM, I also smelled cougar urine shortly after picking up a baby deer skull. A little freaky.
8 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

deborah
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Welcome! smile
8 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
That's so interesting about the sheep, particularly the different behavior of different groups.

Years ago I did a really fun scramble up to Indianhead Peak. It was kind of steep so I had my head down watching my footwork. Then I looked up and saw a sheep fairly close (probably not nearly as close I my memory is telling me). I was so thrilled to see one like that, but then I became aware that it wasn't at all timid. We both just stood motionless, watching each other. I heard something behind me and realized that I somehow got between a few of them. So I just quietly got off the route as best I could, and they went on by. It was an awesome and very humbling experience.

And I can see how an associated risk of the canyons can affect the sheep's behavior. Actually, I think I relate to it personally. It might sound strange, but I notice that different areas have a different "feel" to me. I do a lot of solo trips, sometimes running... It gets in my head sometimes.
8 days ago
Topic:
Coyote Mountain

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Topic: Coyote Mountain
Nice photos and trip report!

tekewin wrote:
Nice hike. Coyote is a fun mountain and so accessible from Borrego Springs. Bonus on the Schad sig.

I experienced the strongest wind I've ever hiked in on Coyote. Knocked down a couple times and nearly turned back. Didn't even think about going to the south summit. Might be interesting to try it from one of the west ridges.



I had a really windy day on Coyote Mountain too. It was blowing so hard it was almost comical.

Before the holidays I had been spending some time up Alcoholic Pass and either towards Coyote Mountain or north up on the rocks. Seems like it's windy up there more often than not. But as soon as you drop down off the ridge to the east it quiets down considerably.

I thought it was interesting that the Rack bench mark (as shown on CalTopo) was actually Rock.

8 days ago
Topic:
PCT North of Scissors Crossing

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Decided to go burn off some of the holiday turkey on Saturday. I have never hiked this section of the PCT and thought it would be a good time to check it out. Parked at the Scissors Crossing Trailhead parking lot and headed north on the PCT-mile 77.5 or so. The trail is in good shape and lends itself to a quick pace if that is your thing. Was a chilly start, about 40F. Full moon as well.

From the trailhead.


Trail climbs quickly from the parking lot. Nice view of Granite.


The trail hugs the western side of mountain and crosses many drainages which would be fun to explore.




I love how quickly the landscape changes in AB. Round the corner into another drainage and it’s as if it gets 2 times the water-everything is much more green and vibrant. This section had a couple of pines I would love to scramble up and check out later.


After about 8 miles in I got a good view to the east. Sunset Mtn. in the top right.


Obligatory small cat print.


Been using my Garmin Instinct watch paired with a Polar chest strap heart monitor on hikes and it’s really a cool watch. Gives you about as many stats as you could want(can customize each activity to record what you like-temp, elevation, barometric pressure, etc.) as well as doing a great job with tracking the hike.
Stats from this hike.



Trash recovered-No mylar balloons just this inflatable pillow.


Started about 7 and got back to the car at 1:30. I really pushed it on this hike and did not feel great after. I am considering the holiday fuel storage depleted.

I suggest this hike in the early morning. The colors are much more pleasant and vibrant when not washed out by the overhead sun.


edited by Rocko1 on 1/14/2020
8 days ago
Topic:
Desert Magazine Archive Downloads

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Topic: Desert Magazine Archive Downloads
Thanks for doing that Daren
9 days ago
Topic:
Old Maps

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Topic: Old Maps
Britain wrote:
davidwyby wrote:
I once found a site that where one could change the year look back at old maps. Britain?


Theres some old Platt maps but I'm not on my home computer. Not sure about the one your asking about.


On the cal Topo site you can go to map builder on the top of the screen and scroll down to other maps and there are two historic Topo maps the oldest one is 1895 !!
9 days ago
Topic:
Old Maps

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Topic: Old Maps
davidwyby wrote:
I once found a site that where one could change the year look back at old maps. Britain?


Theres some old Platt maps but I'm not on my home computer. Not sure about the one your asking about.
9 days ago
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

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Get those picture up David!. That was an awesome trip you did!
9 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

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Topic: Resident desert rat
Welcome to the forum davidwyby. Lots of good folks and info here. - Jim
10 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

Scooter
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Topic: Resident desert rat
Welcome to the blog have you ever camped East of TORO peak on the Alta Seca Bench ? It is a beautiful valley just East of the peak. I like to backpack in less than a mile and you would think you are in the sierras. Plus you can pack in some luxuries for such a short distance.
10 days ago
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

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Taking a shot a trip report. This was a long one. Too long and therefore hurried for my taste. 7am-8pm. Started with frost on the ground and ice on the puddles.

Will likely go back in snatches or learn to backpack camp and explore more thoroughly.

Ah...well, I don’t see where I can add pics from my phone, and a report is nothing without pics, so I’ll be back with them later.
10 days ago
Topic:
Old Maps

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Topic: Old Maps
I once found a site that where one could change the year look back at old maps. Britain?
10 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

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Topic: Resident desert rat
Forgot to mention and don’t see an edit button...known @britain for years. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing 😆
10 days ago
Topic:
Resident desert rat

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Topic: Resident desert rat
Hello, all. Guess I never did an intro. Lived in el Centro with my family for about 20 years now. Mostly off-roading in the winter and camping in the mountains, mostly Santa rosas in the summer. Have a few books on the area. Ann japenga has interesting related articles.
Getting more into hiking and native/mining history lately. As mentioned elsewhere, if you get into trouble in my back yard, stuck, broke down, twisted ankle, holler. Also let me know if you find junk or vehicles in the desert that need removed.

I work at a machine and welding shop during the day to pay for my adventures.

Thanks
10 days ago
Topic:
Other forums/fb groups?

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I recognize some names from mtsanjacinto forum and I am on som AB fb groups...what other groups/forums for SoCal do y’all recommend?

Thanks
10 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
tekewin wrote:
Great camera work as always! The laughing sheep was hilarious.

A little speculation, but maybe canyon bottoms are where they are most vulnerable to cougars. That's usually a source of water and good hunting. Most of the deer and sheep bones I've found have been in a gully or canyon. The cougars I've caught on camera have always been in canyons, in forested ranges, too, not just the desert.
edited by tekewin on 1/11/2020


That was exactly why they stay on escape terrain when possible.
10 days ago
Topic:
Desert Magazine Archive Downloads

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Bookmarked. Thanks for sharing. Will have fun looking thru those.
10 days ago
Topic:
Desert Magazine Archive Downloads

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Thanks for sharing these.
10 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
Great camera work as always! The laughing sheep was hilarious.

A little speculation, but maybe canyon bottoms are where they are most vulnerable to cougars. That's usually a source of water and good hunting. Most of the deer and sheep bones I've found have been in a gully or canyon. The cougars I've caught on camera have always been in canyons, in forested ranges, too, not just the desert.
edited by tekewin on 1/11/2020
10 days ago
Topic:
Coyote Mountain

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Topic: Coyote Mountain
Nice hike. Coyote is a fun mountain and so accessible from Borrego Springs. Bonus on the Schad sig.

I experienced the strongest wind I've ever hiked in on Coyote. Knocked down a couple times and nearly turned back. Didn't even think about going to the south summit. Might be interesting to try it from one of the west ridges.
11 days ago
Topic:
Coyote Mountain

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Topic: Coyote Mountain
@Rocko1
Sometimes the registers reappear as well. A group might move it only for someone else to move it back. I have noticed large gaps in entries and secondary registers in many places. On Sawtooth we never saw the new register, but we found the tiny Wes Shelberg film canister with the rolled up pages inside.

@dsefcik The park webpage doesn't say anything about the road being closed. They updated the road conditions page on January 4th, not that it is accurate in any way, but it was updated. I haven't been up the RHC road since March.
11 days ago
Topic:
Snow and more sheep

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Topic: Snow and more sheep
deborah wrote:
Great pictures Buford! The sheep that's "smiling" for the camera is particularly cute. smile

Any idea why the sheep would be hesitant of the canyon?


The canyon bottom is not escape terrain. They are more comfortable on escape terrain.

From my amateur observations, different groups of sheep are more or less skittish than others. The BPC sheep are comfortable in the canyon bottom and around people. One in BPC forced myself and another sheep counter off the trail last year, it came within 8' of us on his terms. The Santa Rosa herd is afraid of their own shadows. Other groups are in between.

dsefcik wrote:
You are accumulating a great collection of BHS photos, nice work!
I was out in Death Valley again and the Mojave area with all of the snow, it was just amazing, pictures soon.

I am glad you have the energy to take and process these great photos, I know how much work it is, everyone really enjoys them.


Thanks. It is not as much work as lugging around a real film camera and developing physical film. I need to work on a consistent white balance for those that were taken together.

Can't wait to see Death Valley and Mojave snow pictures.
11 days ago
Topic:
Jet crash site Mine Wash

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Topic: Jet crash site Mine Wash
If I remember it correctly, there wasn't much of anything big, lots of little stuff strewn all over the hillside. Little Blair has stuff in several locations.
11 days ago
Topic:
Jet crash site Mine Wash

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I was able to locate the crash site. Unable to see it on GE. Heading out Monday to check it out thanks
11 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Marsh

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Topic: Carrizo Marsh
davidwyby wrote:
we did work on the machine that was shredding tamarisk in carrizo gorge

Did the crews ever get past the Coyote Spike Camp section? Seemed like they stopped there.
11 days ago
Topic:
Coyote Mountain

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Topic: Coyote Mountain
Nice post, still have yet to get up Coyote.

My understanding is that the RHC road was closed briefly but now re-opened with the cooperation of the Clark Lake LLC. The parking/camping area just past the lake now has a seismic sensor and looks abandoned as a camping spot. There are No Access signs all over where people used to camp in the RV's. I am wondering if anybody has any specific info about the road...?

Good thing is now you can drive thru the old quarry and take the road around the dry lake if it gets mudd'ed out.
11 days ago
Topic:
Jet crash site Mine Wash

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Topic: Jet crash site Mine Wash
The crash site is further up the road on the left up on a hillside. It is not hard to get to, you can probably see it on GE but I have not checked. I have not been to the Stag Cove one yet.
11 days ago
Topic:
Weekend trip

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Topic: Weekend trip
Very Nice...hummingbirds expend an enormous amount of energy flying around.
11 days ago
Topic:
Indian Signs Along Carrizo Wash

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Topic: Indian Signs Along Carrizo Wash
Rocko1 wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
surfponto wrote:


E-Bike? Hmm now you have me thinking wink


Fat biking with a little boost is really nice out in the sand and rocks. Haven't used it as much as I'd liked but sure is fun. Did a 21 mile ride out in Canyon Sin Nombre and Vallecito a while back and was a decent workout but much easier and more fun with a little help. This trip was probably only about five miles on the bike and a few miles hiking. Would definitely look into it!



So it does ok in softer sand?

I will give the "E-" part a thumbs up...Thumbs Up
I have an old fashioned fat bike with regular old pedals and a chain and Tom kicks my arse on every ride....wink




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