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5 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

tommy750
tommy750
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DesertWRX wrote:
Found 4 dead cottontails on our property recently. Hopefully it is the virus and not a neighbor poisoning them.

Did you report them to Fish and Wildlife? The link is above if you want to.
6 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

DesertWRX
DesertWRX
Posts: 135
Found 4 dead cottontails on our property recently. Hopefully it is the virus and not a neighbor poisoning them.
8 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Rocko1 wrote:
Tommy, how far from the saddle did you camp? Looked like a couple of nice flat areas for that in the pics.


You can see where we camped on the gps route. It was right at the cliff edge on the west side of the ridge since the winds were howling on the east side.
8 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
rockhopper wrote:
Great trek. I've always thought of doing that route. Nice photo perspectives. I see you had the rock tanks noted. That's as far as I've gone on that trail. Did the tanks contain water?


Rockhopper, yep at least one of the tanks had water. We viewed them from the ridge above and didn't go down to them.
8 days ago
Topic:
My Buck Knife

Britain
Britain
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Britain
Britain
Posts: 507
Topic: My Buck Knife
Just seen this thread. Been carrying my dads Navy survival knife. Wasn't sure where to put it. Been in one of the pockets of the pack. Like the shoulder strap area. Like your sheath also. What was the material? Wow out of control picture....sorry

edited by Britain on 2/18/2021
edited by Britain on 2/18/2021
edited by Britain on 2/18/2021
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 387
Buford wrote:
@Tommy750 Carried all water required since it was a day hike. The search for the cave sounds like a good adventure even if it is a myth.


@Rocko1 The ridges to the main Santa Rosa crest from Clark Dry Lake area are brutally steep and can be loose but the ones I’ve tried stay class 2-3. Tommy750’s route looks as good or better than any other I’ve found online or tried myself. Depends on where you want to go once up on the crest.


Thanks. I looked at it on GE and this route does seem the best as far as steepness goes. Would you know how this or your routes compares to the old native route up towards Martinez Canyon out of Rockhouse Canyon?

Tommy, how far from the saddle did you camp? Looked like a couple of nice flat areas for that in the pics.
edited by Rocko1 on 2/18/2021
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
Excellent expeditions! The painted pottery and stone points are just fantastic. The early peoples used that saddle as a trail pass! How high up was the stone circle / sleeping camp? Probably a temporary camp while traversing from either side of the Santa Rosas. Just amazing. Great trips!

Regarding the Cave of Seven Ollas. I remember reading in Lester Reeds book ( trying to find the quotes) about a cave with a group of ollas left by the old timers because it was too far away from the cattle camps. Good luck with your search!
edited by rockhopper on 2/18/2021
9 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
Great trek. I've always thought of doing that route. Nice photo perspectives. I see you had the rock tanks noted. That's as far as I've gone on that trail. Did the tanks contain water?
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

Buford
Buford
Posts: 333
@Tommy750 Carried all water required since it was a day hike. The search for the cave sounds like a good adventure even if it is a myth.


@Rocko1 The ridges to the main Santa Rosa crest from Clark Dry Lake area are brutally steep and can be loose but the ones I’ve tried stay class 2-3. Tommy750’s route looks as good or better than any other I’ve found online or tried myself. Depends on where you want to go once up on the crest.
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Buford wrote:
Excellent stone points!

I too have heard Gary explain his quest to find the cave with the ollas.


That is tough work hauling overnight gear up to the Santa Rosa ridgeline. I am surprised there was any snow still up there on the dates of your trip. A couple days before your trip I was on the ridgeline and there was very little snow even above 6k. We also started at the base of Coyote Mountain but took different routes than your map.


Yeah, carrying the extra 25-30-ish lbs to the top does add to the "fun." Buford, you brought water for the entire trip or used snow?
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Rocko1 wrote:
Fantastic finds! One question Tommy, how was the accent in the Santa Rosas(especially the last stretch to the saddle)? Was there much rock scrambling?

There was a little slip and slide from some sandy areas near the top but not too bad and nothing over Class 2. On occasion, you could imagine an old trail and there was pottery scattered all the way to the top.
9 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
tommy750 wrote:
Another great TR, Ziphius. Great pics. Hand drawn maps?? Suppose your gps is the "backup" to your compass? Really nice.


Tommy, yeah if I'm going somewhere new with complex terrain, I've decided to spend some time sketching features ahead of time - forces me to immerse myself in the route. I had a GPS with me too. smile
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

Buford
Buford
Posts: 333
Excellent stone points!

I too have heard Gary explain his quest to find the cave with the ollas.


That is tough work hauling overnight gear up to the Santa Rosa ridgeline. I am surprised there was any snow still up there on the dates of your trip. A couple days before your trip I was on the ridgeline and there was very little snow even above 6k. We also started at the base of Coyote Mountain but took different routes than your map.
9 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

Buford
Buford
Posts: 333
Nice. I have done a similar loop a couple times and it is one of few hikes I have repeated. Sure can be a long day. Rosa Point has the best view of the Salton Sea.
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 387
Fantastic finds! One question Tommy, how was the accent in the Santa Rosas(especially the last stretch to the saddle)? Was there much rock scrambling?
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
tekewin wrote:
That was quite a hike up to the ridge! I'm not familiar the Cave story, will Google.

Very impressive painted pottery shard. I'm usually not looking for them when I'm out, but should be. I can't imagine how hard it must have been to live on this land.



Was definitely a good climb up there. Rarely find painted pottery and even less common to see the incised ones but definitely a neat find.
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Brian wrote:
Is the Pepperwood Hiking and Dirt Bike Trail the one that starts in Cottonwood Campground? I haven't hiked it in years, but I remember it being too steep and slippery for a bike. Is it an official route for bikes now or was the group using it illegally?


The Pepperwood trail is off limits to motorcycles but I have seen occasional tracks over the past five years. The last hike out was the worst. Someone even seems to be trimming the brush to widen the trail. I usually start at the end of McCain Valley Rd and drift NE to the start but you can easily get there from the campground.
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
ziphius wrote:
Good-looking trips Tommy. Nice lion track, looks like a right hind. That painted pottery shard is really nice. I've been regaled with the story of the Cave of The Seven Ollas by Gary while counting sheep with him. Hope you guys find it one day and never tell a soul. That's a lot of camo!



I have about a dozen possible points on GE for the cave AKA CSO scattered all over the Santa Rosas, many provided by others. Gary sends out an article every once in a while and I try to make sense of it but every account is very different. Still fun searching.

Yeah, lots of camo these days. Gary, Randy, Daren and Yokes. I'm still trying to stick with solids smile
9 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Another great TR, Ziphius. Great pics. Hand drawn maps?? Suppose your gps is the "backup" to your compass? Really nice.
9 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 262
That was quite a hike up to the ridge! I'm not familiar the Cave story, will Google.

Very impressive painted pottery shard. I'm usually not looking for them when I'm out, but should be. I can't imagine how hard it must have been to live on this land.
9 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 262
Great photos! Awesome trip. Tough stretch there between Pyramid and Rosa.
10 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Is the Pepperwood Hiking and Dirt Bike Trail the one that starts in Cottonwood Campground? I haven't hiked it in years, but I remember it being too steep and slippery for a bike. Is it an official route for bikes now or was the group using it illegally?
10 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
Good-looking trips Tommy. Nice lion track, looks like a right hind. That painted pottery shard is really nice. I've been regaled with the story of the Cave of The Seven Ollas by Gary while counting sheep with him. Hope you guys find it one day and never tell a soul. That's a lot of camo!
10 days ago
Topic:
Canebrake Valley and The Santa Rosas

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Daren and Gary recently floated the idea of a 3-4 day trip to the crest of the Santa Rosas searching for the lost "Cave of The Seven Ollas," yet another magnificent tale, er, historical reality based on multiple anecdotal accounts. Using snow as a water source, a new area of interest would be searched and hopefully the mysterious cave relocated. In order to accommodate Randy and myself, the trip was delayed one relatively warm week with live satellite images showing a rapidly shrinking snow cover. As a warm up hike, Daren, his Marine buddy Yokes and I headed out to Canebrake for the weekend and descended the now literally Pepperwood Hiking and Dirt Bike Trail. Daren and Yokes decked out in camo spooked one group of riders but more were coming.

The faded picto panels in Pepperwood Canyon.

Pepperwood Picto2 by tomteske, on Flickr

Pepperwood Picto by tomteske, on Flickr

Daren and Yokes checking out a potential water source.

Canebrake by tomteske, on Flickr

A nice incised pottery sherd and two Cottonwood points at a site overlooking the valley we all explored.

IMG_5909 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_5911 by tomteske, on Flickr

Another bunny.

IMG_5907 by tomteske, on Flickr

Camped near an old spring and "trough" but the spring was only a wet spot even after the recent rains.

IMG_5923 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_5924 by tomteske, on Flickr

Marker pole on a hill overlooking the valley.

IMG_5928 by tomteske, on Flickr

Had to filter water on the way out at Pepperwood Spring. That's Daren searching for the chlorine tabs to blunt the rich organic taste.

IMG_5936 by tomteske, on Flickr

During the night, a kitty must have ascended the same trail we used. My boot for scale.

IMG_5937 by tomteske, on Flickr

We met up the next weekend for the Santa Rosas hike. Parked our vehicles at the base of Coyote Mt. Was winding and rainy at the start but ended up a nice day. Old vehicles at an old homestead.

IMG_5960 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_5964 by tomteske, on Flickr

Nice view with about 2K left to climb.

IMG_5969 by tomteske, on Flickr

Interesting village site with lots of rock circles and pottery sherds.

IMG_5973 by tomteske, on Flickr

Painted sherds are always nice to find. These were actually painted on the inside and outside.

Painted Sherd by tomteske, on Flickr

Painted Rim Sherd1 by tomteske, on Flickr

We made it to the ridge about half way between Dawns and Rabbit a little after 5 pm, a 5K climb from Clark Lake. Gary and Randy decided to camp lower down. Nice cool evening with great views of all the glimmering lights from the night sky and Ocotillo Wells...

The next morning before I got up, Daren search high and low for snow and found a tiny patch in about three miles of hiking. Since I was the lowest on water, I dutifully boiled it, filtered out the dirt and twigs and had yet another refreshing naturally flavored liter on the way down (tasted like Negroni if that's something you have tucked away in your liquor cabinet).

IMG_5989 by tomteske, on Flickr

About 18 miles, 5300 ft g/l and maybe ten mylars. Enjoy!

Santa Rosas From Clark by tomteske, on Flickr
10 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
tekewin wrote:
Thanks for the report and all the info. I want to get out to Martinez in the spring but I really need to study the roads and maps around there.


I knew from a previous attempt that the gate would probably be locked. After looking at Google Earth for a way in, my plan was to go to this point and then parallel the berm until it intersects with the road: 33.554738°N 116.192662°W

When I walked over to that point, it's no longer in the condition that GE shows. It's been filled in with dirt and boulders. There was some evidence of vehicles driving over it, but that would require a hefty jeep. I found a different way in that was more suitable for my Crosstrek. At 68th and Van Buren there are 2 gates at right angles to each other. The gate straight ahead blocks the road into Martinez. The gate on the right blocks a small section of road on the top of the berm. It's possible to drive around the gate on the right, and after only a few feet of driving on top of the berm there's a ramp that goes down the other side. The part that goes around the gate was no problem for my Crosstrek but might be too narrow for a full sized truck.

One other thing. On my hike out I encountered 2 ladies riding horses who said they ride there regularly. I later saw they had parked their horse trailers at the spot where I gave coordinates above. So I'm assuming that's the best place to leave a car for someone who doesn't want to drive in. It would be a 10 mile hike from that spot to the cabin.
10 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 262
Thanks for the report and all the info. I want to get out to Martinez in the spring but I really need to study the roads and maps around there.
11 days ago
Topic:
Fish Benchmark and Eagle Benchmark

deborah
deborah
Posts: 103
Great trip report tekewin! I had to look that up on Caltopo, haven't been out there yet either. Nice work!
11 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse Canyon 2 Days

deborah
deborah
Posts: 103
Still catching on these great trip reports... This sounds like it was an adventure! The dry falls near the Adler / Nicholias junction look really fun. Thanks for sharing.
11 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

deborah
deborah
Posts: 103
deborah
deborah
Posts: 103
Topic: Villager Peak
Nice job to both of you! Good pictures and report.
11 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

deborah
deborah
Posts: 103
Nice report. I haven't been there yet. Looks like a fun place to explore. It is really cool that it's relatively untouched.
11 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

deborah
deborah
Posts: 103
Nice!! I've been spending some time in that area and looking at that very route, so it's cool to see your report! I wasn't sure about the terrain above Pyramid Peak towards Rosa.

I was out a few weeks ago and saw three sheep above the rock tanks. Ocotillo is starting to bloom...
11 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Great pics. Another thing to add to my list. I could probably make it to Pyramid, if not the others.
11 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

Scooter
Scooter
Posts: 83
Great trip report. Love that area.
11 days ago
Topic:
book recommendations?

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
Topic: book recommendations?
This old thread has a lot of good ones.
11 days ago
Topic:
Pyramid, Rosa Pt., Mile High Loop

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
Had a great time out there with some good people this weekend.

https://www.jimcarretta.com/post/pyramid-rosa-pt-mile-high
edited by ziphius on 2/15/2021
12 days ago
Topic:
book recommendations?

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Topic: book recommendations?
rockhopper wrote:
Brian, I remember it was about 10 years ago or so that I met Rider South on Ghost Mountain. Every one there was given a chance to talk with him after the talk. I was talking with him about the freedom and ability to explore the vast wilderness. Marshall Souths book is one of my favorites too. one of my favorite stories is "The lost Emerald mine of Rockhouse Valley". One of my favorite quotes is "Man struggles to grow beyond the primitive, and once he obtains all, he seeks the primitive in his leisure"
edited by rockhopper on 2/14/2021



10 years ago sounds right. That's about the time I started going to the desert after I had run out of new hikes to do from Schad's book that were closer to town. I knew enough about Anza Borrego then to know who Rider South was, but not enough to recognize what a unique experience it would be to meet him.
12 days ago
Topic:
book recommendations?

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
Brian wrote:
Thanks for the recommendations rockhopper. I remember seeing an announcement about a hike with one of Marshall South's sons that may have been the one you encountered. It was advertised as the last time he would go to Ghost Mountain (probably true since I think he has since passed on). I could have gone to that and I regret that I didn't.




Brian, I remember it was about 10 years ago or so that I met Rider South on Ghost Mountain. Every one there was given a chance to talk with him after the talk. I was talking with him about the freedom and ability to explore the vast wilderness. Marshall Souths book is one of my favorites too. one of my favorite stories is "The lost Emerald mine of Rockhouse Valley". One of my favorite quotes is "Man struggles to grow beyond the primitive, and once he obtains all, he seeks the primitive in his leisure"
edited by rockhopper on 2/14/2021
13 days ago
Topic:
book recommendations?

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Topic: book recommendations?
Thanks for the recommendations rockhopper. I remember seeing an announcement about a hike with one of Marshall South's sons that may have been the one you encountered. It was advertised as the last time he would go to Ghost Mountain (probably true since I think he has since passed on). I could have gone to that and I regret that I didn't.
13 days ago
Topic:
book recommendations?

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
Brian wrote:
In a recent thread about Rockhouse Valley, Zegna140 mentioned the book Old Time Cattlemen by Lester Reed. I've seen this mentioned a few places and have been meaning to check it out. I'm wondering what other books people here would recommend. I'm especially interested in the intersection of geography and history. Basically how people have used the remote sections of land we like to visit.

Books I already have include Afoot and Afield by Schad (several editions over the years), Anza Borrego Desert Region by Lindsay, Marshal South and the Ghost Mountain Chronicles, and The Historic Backcountry by Wray.


Hi Brian,
All excellent books. My few of my favorites in random order.

Schad would probably be #1 just because of the incredible person he was.

My #2 book is The Lester Reed book. It is a wealth of old timer knowledge and stories. Those ol' timers were tough!




If you are into geology like me. This is a must read.




This one is a little out of range but has a history of the region and its water sources.






The Marshal South book is excellent also. I met one of Marshall Souths Sons on Ghost Mountian years ago. He was doing a Historical society tour with a large group I just happened to climb it that day.
14 days ago
Topic:
Cougar and Sheep Canyons

Scooter
Scooter
Posts: 83
Usually thanksgiving is still dry from the long summer. I am sure springtime will have water in both.
14 days ago
Topic:
Cougar and Sheep Canyons

Buford
Buford
Posts: 333
Buford
Buford
Posts: 333
Topic: Cougar and Sheep Canyons
I have never seen that grotto dry before.

In mid January second crossing was bone dry. There has been some rain since then. I would guess the canyons have some water. How far down is it flowing? I don't know with any certainty.
14 days ago
Topic:
Cougar and Sheep Canyons

anutami
anutami
Posts: 485
Has anyone been up to Sheep or Cougar canyon recently? Just trying to figure out if the creeks are flowing as we are looking for a reliable water source. We were up over Thanksgiving and Sheep was bone dry upset


edited by anutami on 2/12/2021
15 days ago
Topic:
book recommendations?

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Topic: book recommendations?
In a recent thread about Rockhouse Valley, Zegna140 mentioned the book Old Time Cattlemen by Lester Reed. I've seen this mentioned a few places and have been meaning to check it out. I'm wondering what other books people here would recommend. I'm especially interested in the intersection of geography and history. Basically how people have used the remote sections of land we like to visit.

Books I already have include Afoot and Afield by Schad (several editions over the years), Anza Borrego Desert Region by Lindsay, Marshal South and the Ghost Mountain Chronicles, and The Historic Backcountry by Wray.
16 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

dsefcik
dsefcik
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dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
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Topic: Summit Registers
Remembering Ranger Steve - "The Desert bites back" was my favorite quote from him and stays in my mind on every trip as cholla or agave or bees or something always manages to make me bleed. RIP Steve.



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16 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 262
tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 262
Topic: Summit Registers
I always sign if I find a register. I usually flip though to find rare autographs or people I know. I sometimes take photos of some of the pages. It often depends on how old and fragile the register is. If I find one that is really old and crumbly, I try not to disturb it. On Sierra Club peaks, I think they periodically collect them and archive the signatures. I find registers fun, but I think there are some purists who view them as litter. There was a streak of register shredding going on the San Gabriels a few years ago. One of my favorite registers was on Cobblestone Mountain in Los Padres which had a fancy custom aluminum box. I think the Sierra Club has only made a few of these and they are often on 14ers. Cool post!











16 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Rocko1
Rocko1
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Rocko1
Rocko1
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Topic: Summit Registers
Buford wrote:
The major accessible peak registers are a mess.



I just did Corta Madera hike near Lake Morena. Register was an ammo can and inside was like a frat house bedroom-condoms, garbage, rolling papers.
17 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
tommy750 the spot where I think you found water (where it pools at the falls) was just a puddle that wouldn't have even been enough to fill a bottle. Thankfully I had plenty. There also wasn't any near the cabin that I saw. I noticed a couple spigots outside the cabin and I tried turning one of them on, but it was dry. Not sure if those ever work.
17 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Scooter
Scooter
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Scooter
Scooter
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Topic: Summit Registers
Thanks Brian heading to Death Valley next month with my brother.
17 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Brian
Brian
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Brian
Brian
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Topic: Summit Registers
I usually forget to look for registers. But I just got back from Warm Springs camp in Death Valley where I signed one. Not a summit but it has a register I couldn't miss as it's in a big metal box right outside the house. I only had to look back a couple pages to find an interesting entry. Not sure how legible this will be on a computer screen, but it's a guy talking about the time he stayed at Barker Ranch. In 1969 😳

17 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Britain
Britain
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Britain
Britain
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Topic: Summit Registers
@ Buford Ha Ha I didnt sign that register I was on a mission to go down to the service road and out to the trestle.
17 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Buford
Buford
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Buford
Buford
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Topic: Summit Registers
I always sign a register if I find one. I don't always take pictures or go through them in detail. The major accessible peak registers are a mess.

Wes Shelberg and Gordon MacLeod went on a spree in the late 70s and early 80s:


There are always indications of a previous ascent if you look hard enough:






@Britain Guilty! Only time I have done that. I didn't look at the map or GPS while hiking and assumed the BM would be on a point that actually had prominence.
edited by Buford on 2/9/2021
17 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Rocko1
Rocko1
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Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 387
Topic: Summit Registers
Couple of 'older' ones.

18 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Britain
Britain
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Britain
Britain
Posts: 507
Topic: Summit Registers
18 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

dsefcik
dsefcik
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dsefcik
dsefcik
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Topic: Summit Registers
Great topic Buford!...I have been lazy the last several years and stopped taking pictures of them, even signing many of them.

Some are not quite a full "summit" register and are just a checkbox on a list


Some are on the wrong summit (large for readability)


And there are the hard to find (repeat of on from Buford)



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18 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Britain
Britain
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Britain
Britain
Posts: 507
Topic: Summit Registers
Interesting. Should have taken more pictures of the ones I found. The wife likes to sign them. Not as interesting as yours though.
18 days ago
Topic:
Summit Registers

Buford
Buford
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Buford
Buford
Posts: 333
Topic: Summit Registers
... and the things you find in them over the years. Found some cool knick knacks like a plastic lizard in the Lizard Peak register and a live scorpion in a register in the badlands EEK! . Recently found a cool glass trinket.

Is it a real peak if some of these signatures are missing:


If you have hiked the Santa Rosa's this distinctive handwriting is in all the registers (although this one isn't from the Santa Rosa range):


Some people are everywhere:


Some of the list makers:






Guidebook authors:




Other members on here:





People on the job:




Someone very lost put this on the wrong peak:


Anyone else have any interesting ones? These are just a couple I thought to take a picture of at the time.
18 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

Buford
Buford
Posts: 333
Buford
Buford
Posts: 333
Topic: Villager Peak
Looks like a fun trip. The Santa Rosa Mountains have so much to explore. The pinyon pines on the summits are always a welcome site.

@tommy750 I don't think it is the type of trip that will be fun if you need to convince the spouse to join EEK!
19 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Topic: Villager Peak
That looks like a great trip. Happy to hear any tips you have on convincing my spousal "hiking partner" to bag Rabbit smile
19 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
The only time I've ever drank green water was at Jack Miller Cabin having filtered the next day's supply at The Narrows just downstream. Was there any water running at Jack Miller? Great TR, Brian.
23 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse Canyon 2 Days

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
Zegna140 wrote:
Cahuilla trails run throughout RHV, to the Nicolias village then west down to the creek, past the funeral site and then further west towards the Santa Rosa Indian Reservation. Last week, I wanted to get into the middle of the storm so I hiked up to Old Santa Rosa, 5 hours from Hidden Spring, and spent the night in the snow. Beautiful. The trail from the first set of ruins to OSR follows a wash just past the last rockhouse. Or you can head over to the "Pottery Making Camp" which is at the base of the Santa Rosas where the old trail goes up and over the mountain to Martinez Canyon. There's a year round spring and nice little campsite at the PMC. Used by Indians, cattlemen, miners, hikers for centuries. Morteros nearby. Pottery shards. The descent into Martinez is rather un-Indian like-- it basically follows an arroyo that is, miraculously, for the east side of the Santa Rosas, pretty gentle. Found some painted pottery pieces along that route a few years back. From the PMC, the trail heads to Old Santa Rosa and from there it's about an hour to Nicolias, all on deeply rutted, well marked Indian trail. Mortero sites along the way as well as an occasional shard. That waterfall section you guys ran into is one of the most difficult parts of RHV! Ahhh, just thinking about RHV, I think I'll head back again this weekend.



Zenga,
Welcome to the forum! Hikers and explorers of our special place on the planet.

I missed the PMC in rock house valley. Darn it ! Have to go back. We hiked up the Native American trail toward the ridge going to Martinez canyon. Never have been down it. The trail going down to Martinez canyon looks like it has vanished to history and lack of use. I am pretty sure there are some trail remnants left on the descending ridges. But don't know for sure. I would like to know which arroyo you went down. Any photos? The painted pottery sounds interesting too. Again. Welcome.
23 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
I intend to do a Jack Miller montage of his other campsites I have found over the years of hiking on the east side of the Santa Rosas. Also, I am amazed how he built and maintained a hand built road up the canyon from the valley floor back in the 1930's. Only a few remnants of the old road remain out in flats before the narrow canyon entrance. I think I found parts of his old Buick. Glad you were able to drive in to the trail marker. I have only been able to make it that far in my truck once. It saves a lot of miles on foot. Great hike. Glad your headlamp made it. Or did it? Thanks for sharing.
24 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 387
Great report Brian.
24 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
dsefcik wrote:
Bummer you had to leave in the dark..! It has been awhile since I have been out there, good to see some photos of the canyon and cabin. Thanks for posting...Thumbs Up


When I found out about Martinez Canyon a few years ago, one of the few sources of info I could find was this: https://kathywing.smugmug.com/CaliforniaHikesandScrambles/California-Desert-Hikes-and/Martinez-Canyon-Jack-Miller/

It was interesting to see what had and had not changed in the 5 years since she did her hike. The road and the section with the reeds were both worse than she described (she suggests the road could be driven with 2WD which I think is no longer the case considering my AWD Subaru was losing traction). Also the area around the cabin is much more overgrown now. She has a pic showing a clear path to the door, which is now completely surrounded by brush.

The thing that hasn't changed is the inside of the cabin. I was amazed to look at her pics after having been there. Every coffee jar is in the same place. The same remnants of a blanket is on the bed springs. Even the same pair of shoes hanging from the rafters. It's like the outside world has changed but the inside of the cabin is frozen in time. Kind of eerie really.
24 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

dsefcik
dsefcik
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dsefcik
dsefcik
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Topic: Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin
Bummer you had to leave in the dark..! It has been awhile since I have been out there, good to see some photos of the canyon and cabin. Thanks for posting...Thumbs Up
24 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Canyon to Jack Miller cabin

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
I hiked Martinez Canyon to the Jack Miller cabin Sunday and Monday. As with a previous attempt, the gate at 68th and Van Buren was locked. I had emailed the BLM about this and they told me it should be unlocked. So I didn't feel too bad when I found a way to drive around it this time.

The section where the canyon narrows and it's choked with reeds took me longer than expected and my pics suffered as a result. I reached the cabin just after dark and planned to take pics in the morning. But I woke up to the sound of rain on my tent at 3:30 AM. That was NOT in the forecast and the fact I was in a narrow canyon and would have to downclimb a waterfall to get out had me worried. So I packed up and left before dawn and was only able to take some pics of the cabin with my headlamp.



Looking back at Valerie from the road


Most of the hike was over this type of rocky ground which was unpleasant and slowed me down. This is the number one thing that would make me hesitant to do this hike again. On the way out I met a couple ladies riding horses on the road and they told me they couldn't bring their horses very far into the canyon because of the rocks.


Tire tracks went a mile past what is supposed to be the wilderness closure to this spot, which seems to be someone's favored party location.


Snow on the 'Rosas, more rocks, and bones




My best attempts to take some pics of the cabin and surrounding implements in the dark




25 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse Canyon 2 Days

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Topic: Rockhouse Canyon 2 Days
Zegna140 wrote:
Cahuilla trails run throughout RHV, to the Nicolias village then west down to the creek, past the funeral site and then further west towards the Santa Rosa Indian Reservation. Last week, I wanted to get into the middle of the storm so I hiked up to Old Santa Rosa, 5 hours from Hidden Spring, and spent the night in the snow. Beautiful. The trail from the first set of ruins to OSR follows a wash just past the last rockhouse. Or you can head over to the "Pottery Making Camp" which is at the base of the Santa Rosas where the old trail goes up and over the mountain to Martinez Canyon. There's a year round spring and nice little campsite at the PMC. Used by Indians, cattlemen, miners, hikers for centuries. Morteros nearby. Pottery shards. The descent into Martinez is rather un-Indian like-- it basically follows an arroyo that is, miraculously, for the east side of the Santa Rosas, pretty gentle. Found some painted pottery pieces along that route a few years back. From the PMC, the trail heads to Old Santa Rosa and from there it's about an hour to Nicolias, all on deeply rutted, well marked Indian trail. Mortero sites along the way as well as an occasional shard. That waterfall section you guys ran into is one of the most difficult parts of RHV! Ahhh, just thinking about RHV, I think I'll head back again this weekend.


Zegna140 thanks for all the good info! That must have been amazing to be in OSR in the snow.

I had been unsuccessful in a previous attempt to get to Nicholias when I followed the route in Schad's book (basically cross country from the lower ruins to the point he calls the knob which forms the eastern boundary of Nicholias). That stretch was very overgrown and I found it much more difficult to deal with than the waterfalls. Glad to know that's as bad as it gets though!

We had planned to visit the spring that I'm pretty sure is the PMC site you mention. Didn't get there for lack of time, but I definitely want to check it out on a future trip. The route from there to Martinez has always intrigued me but is probably beyond my ability. I was in Martinez canyon yesterday and just the hike to the cabin was hard for me.
edited by Brian on 2/2/2021
25 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse Canyon 2 Days

Zegna140
Zegna140
Posts: 3
The old barrel at OSR, I believe, based on Lester Reed's book, Old Time Cattlemen, that the barrel was part of a project by Reed and a couple of Cahuilla to develop the seep/spring with the hopes of more water for wildlife. I could be wrong.


Rocko1 wrote:
Was able to meet up with Brian and do a 2 day trip to Rockhouse Canyon. We started 3 miles short of the end of Rockhouse Canyon Rd. Plan was to get to lower rockhouses and head up Adler then take Nicholias Canyon to the cottonwoods, camp and head back towards Old Santa Rosa ruins then back out. Carrying a substantial amount of water we banked on Nicholias spring being active-it was.

Near beginning of the canyon is Hidden Spring..
It's not hidden and was little more than wet dirt-no standing water.


Lower rockhouse ruins


Headed up Adler looking for the Nicholias junction. Really fantastic rocks in this area. Nicholias to the right.


Saw this near junction-not sure if it's a target or? about 3' x 2'. Made out of plastic.


The dry falls starting up Nicholias were a bit challenging for me-especially with a heavy pack.



From here to the ridge near the cottonwoods was the toughest part of the hike. The canyon becomes choked with fallen trees forcing you out and its really overgrown with no easy routes without bushwhacking. Slow going.

An old mining pump?


View from ridge


Made it to cottonwoods just before dark. Was a long day. Temps got down to 37F, no wind.




Toro Peak


Woke up and headed to Nicholias Spring to load up on water. It was flowing great.
https://imgur.com/y3sdyRK


The area near the cottonwood and spring has more mountain lion prints than I have ever seen anywhere. You can't go more than a few steps without seeing them. Lots of animal activity here.


Broke camp and headed towards Old Santa Rosa ruins. The trails going here were heaven compared to coming up the canyon.




We checked out a spring and headed to the Santa Rosa Ruins

Pot shard Brian found


Old Santa Rosa Ruins




Miner trash can?



From here it was cross country following game trails to lower rockhouses and then back to the cars. Was a fantastic trip.


Mylar Balloons-3
TOTAL
Distance: 28.40 mi
Elevation gain/loss: 4625'/-4631'

edited by Rocko1 on 11/17/2020
25 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse Canyon 2 Days

Zegna140
Zegna140
Posts: 3
Cahuilla trails run throughout RHV, to the Nicolias village then west down to the creek, past the funeral site and then further west towards the Santa Rosa Indian Reservation. Last week, I wanted to get into the middle of the storm so I hiked up to Old Santa Rosa, 5 hours from Hidden Spring, and spent the night in the snow. Beautiful. The trail from the first set of ruins to OSR follows a wash just past the last rockhouse. Or you can head over to the "Pottery Making Camp" which is at the base of the Santa Rosas where the old trail goes up and over the mountain to Martinez Canyon. There's a year round spring and nice little campsite at the PMC. Used by Indians, cattlemen, miners, hikers for centuries. Morteros nearby. Pottery shards. The descent into Martinez is rather un-Indian like-- it basically follows an arroyo that is, miraculously, for the east side of the Santa Rosas, pretty gentle. Found some painted pottery pieces along that route a few years back. From the PMC, the trail heads to Old Santa Rosa and from there it's about an hour to Nicolias, all on deeply rutted, well marked Indian trail. Mortero sites along the way as well as an occasional shard. That waterfall section you guys ran into is one of the most difficult parts of RHV! Ahhh, just thinking about RHV, I think I'll head back again this weekend.
25 days ago
Topic:
Roost Benchmark

Zegna140
Zegna140
Posts: 3
Zegna140
Zegna140
Posts: 3
Topic: Roost Benchmark
Mark Adrian! Knew him well back in the 90's when we were both part of Paul Frieman's San Diego Peak's Club. Roost is a spot I've always looked at going down the Fages trail between the Fages Memorial and Oriflamme Canyon.
28 days ago
Topic:
Villager Peak

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2469
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2469
Topic: Villager Peak
Nice work! The Santa Rosas are my favorite and I am itching to get up there again soon, thanks for posting....Thumbs Up
1/25/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
Topic: Villager Peak
Nice work John!
1/25/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 387
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 387
Topic: Villager Peak
Great pics! How are you storing the water? I wanted to do the same but still considering how to cache them for long term-6+ months.
1/24/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Topic: Villager Peak
Scooter: I did Granite a couple weekends ago with Rocko and that nearly killed me.
(OK that's an exaggeration. But I'm still not ready for Villager)
1/24/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

Scooter
Scooter
Posts: 83
Scooter
Scooter
Posts: 83
Topic: Villager Peak
Great trip report !! Love Villager, no easy way to get up there, plus 9 liters of water ugh !
Ok, Brian your next !
1/24/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Topic: Villager Peak
rockhopper: yes I meant the thing on the right. After looking at Google Earth I think it's the flat at the base of Dawn's Peak. Not sure if that's considered part of Rockhouse or not.
1/24/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
Topic: Villager Peak
Good show!. It is one of my top 10 favorite hikes too. Good luck with the Rabbit summit. We did a one day blast to Rabbit peak from the east side. The 13,000 ft+ gain+loss was probably the toughest hike I ever did. Neat factoid about Villager peak. The loose white marble laying around on the surface near the summit is the oldest rock in the park. Villager, Rabbit and the Santa Rosas are most geologically active mountains in the Continental US. It's easy to see why!

The 5th pic is of Clark valley. The beginning of Rock house valley is in the far right.
edited by rockhopper on 1/24/2021
1/24/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Topic: Villager Peak
Great pics. Is that Rockhouse Valley that's visible in the 5th one?
1/24/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

Britain
Britain
Posts: 507
Britain
Britain
Posts: 507
Topic: Villager Peak
Well done John!
1/24/2021
Topic:
Villager Peak

AdventureGraham
AdventureGraham
Posts: 170
AdventureGraham
AdventureGraham
Posts: 170
Topic: Villager Peak
It was good visiting my all time favorite summit! I hauled 9L of water and cached 4 at the peak for my return in the spring when I bag Rabbit as well. My hiking partner was way out of her comfort zone and felt like quitting on my a few times, but I was right there to help her along and give encouragement


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1/24/2021
Topic:
Fish Benchmark and Eagle Benchmark

AdventureGraham
AdventureGraham
Posts: 170
Good job out there. I did the same loop a few years ago, minus Eagle BM. I'll have to get out there again.
1/20/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
Yes, let us not forget the human carnivores!
tommy750 wrote:
ziphius wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
ziphius wrote:
Also bad news if you're a red-tailed hawk, bobcat, coyote....

Ziphius, did you mean no species barrier or less fresh meat?


Tommy, yes, I meant that rabbits are an extremely-important dietary item to those carnivores.

Thanks, Ziphius. Looking around the Fish and Wildlife site, just noted human carnivores have a year round jack rabbit open season as well.
1/19/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
ziphius wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
ziphius wrote:
Also bad news if you're a red-tailed hawk, bobcat, coyote....

Ziphius, did you mean no species barrier or less fresh meat?


Tommy, yes, I meant that rabbits are an extremely-important dietary item to those carnivores.

Thanks, Ziphius. Looking around the Fish and Wildlife site, just noted human carnivores have a year round jack rabbit open season as well.
1/19/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Rocko1 wrote:
ziphius wrote:
Also bad news if you're a red-tailed hawk, bobcat, coyote....

RHD isn't zoonotic and only affects rabbits.



Thank you for the clarification, Rocko1.
1/19/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
tommy750 wrote:
ziphius wrote:
Also bad news if you're a red-tailed hawk, bobcat, coyote....

Ziphius, did you mean no species barrier or less fresh meat?


Tommy, yes, I meant that rabbits are an extremely-important dietary item to those carnivores.
1/19/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 387
ziphius wrote:
Also bad news if you're a red-tailed hawk, bobcat, coyote....

RHD isn't zoonotic and only affects rabbits.
1/18/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
ziphius wrote:
Also bad news if you're a red-tailed hawk, bobcat, coyote....

Ziphius, did you mean no species barrier or less fresh meat?
1/18/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
Hope this "bad actor virus" leaves the desert soon.
1/18/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
Also bad news if you're a red-tailed hawk, bobcat, coyote....
1/17/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 262
Thanks for the info. I've never heard of this. I'll keep a look out. Sounds like Rabbit ebola.
1/15/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
Nice D.Valley trip. I like the miners cabin. Those guys were pretty determined. The lack of reliable water was no doubt a big issue.


Grabbed these on my last trip into Death Valley in 2018


edited by rockhopper on 1/18/2021
1/14/2021
Topic:
Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Just an FYI about something you may have already heard about in the news. Was out hiking the past two weekends in the Dos Cabezas and Piedras Grandes area and encountered three deceased rabbits which is way more than I've ever seen just walking around before. Visited the Cal Fish and Wildlife site and noted they recommend reporting multiple rabbit deaths to aid in surveillance of Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease. So I did right here: https://wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Laboratories/Wildlife-Investigations/Monitoring#55671861-rabbit-hemorrhagic-disease Got a nice call from Sacramento this afternoon from Kelsey, a cheery Fish and Wildlife rep interested in the find. Not sure what happens next but would suggest all of you desert hikers file similar reports if you encounter rabbit mortality since Kelsey seems to indicate the responsible virus is a bad actor and currently present in San Diego County.

IMG_5683 by tomteske, on Flickr
1/14/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 862
COOKIE!
1/14/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

dsefcik
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dsefcik
dsefcik
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Topic: Death Valley Trip 12-2020
tommy750 wrote:
Very nice, Daren. Pretty convinced one of you three has that rocket in your front yard right now smile
Unlikely...it was not anywhere near our cars and it took both of us to lift it up for the photo....but next trip...Quiet
1/13/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 951
Very nice, Daren. Pretty convinced one of you three has that rocket in your front yard right now smile
1/11/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 387
Great photos Daren. Love the ufo debris!
1/11/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Scooter, that sounds amazing. There were a lot of people on the trail to Telescope in October. Probably a lot less in August.
1/10/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

Scooter
Scooter
Posts: 83
Brian wrote:
Great pics. I went to Death Valley in October. Managed to pick a weather window that wasn't too cold for Telescope Peak nor too warm for the Racetrack. Right now it definitely looks to be on the cold side for a fair weather camper like me. I'm going to be watching the forecast for another window this spring.
edited by Brian on 1/10/2021

I know this sounds crazy, but after backpacking in the sierras, we spent one night in Lone Pine. Drove out the next day and did Telescope Peak in August. Since your starting at about 8000' it wasn't bad at all. Spent the night on the peak. The most stars I have ever seen !!
1/10/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

Brian
Brian
Posts: 57
Great pics. I went to Death Valley in October. Managed to pick a weather window that wasn't too cold for Telescope Peak nor too warm for the Racetrack. Right now it definitely looks to be on the cold side for a fair weather camper like me. I'm going to be watching the forecast for another window this spring.
edited by Brian on 1/10/2021
1/10/2021
Topic:
Death Valley Trip 12-2020

dsefcik
dsefcik
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dsefcik
dsefcik
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Posts: 2469
Topic: Death Valley Trip 12-2020
Here are some pics from a trip I did with Gary/Joel after xmas 2020...pretty lazy these days to write up much of anything but the trip was good and very, very cold. Had to wear sweater and multiple layers of jackets and gloves almost every day and in bed by 7pm usually just to get warm. We were in the Owlshead Mtns area.

https://www.darensefcik.com/Photography/Death-Valley/Death-Valley-12-26-2020/

48 balloons total this trip..!!









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1/10/2021
Topic:
Fish Benchmark and Eagle Benchmark

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 560
I would have sore quads too. Nice hike and great trail report.




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