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tommy750
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11/6/2022
tommy750
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Yoks invited Gary, Randy and me to join him on a 2-3 day BP trip to explore the Chris Lucia rock house mentioned in Rockhopper's post here: http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic1386-santa-rosas-prospectors-rock-house.aspx Rockhopper has some nice videos of the area on his YouTube channel. Wade, a friend of the group mentioned another large site up nearby Alamo Canyon and we decided to visit this site as well. After some weather and work related delays, we headed out last weekend. Parking is a bit of a challenge due to private property issues. We ended up parking on Fillmore south of 78th and had no problems. The trail starts as a dirt road and transitions into an apparent wide pack animal route that is braided with an old Cahuilla trail. Gary and Yoks near the trail start:

IMG_1536 by tomteske, on Flickr

Never seen a trail as heavily ducked as this one but didn't mind it on the way out at dusk. Assuming this is the route used by Rabbit peakbaggers attempting the east approach?

?Nice find at a trail side dump smile

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Randy with the rare rainbow unicorn mylar cluster.

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Nice pot drop just off the trail.

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Yoks with a painted sherd.

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We spent lunchtime near a boulder pile with historical graffiti. Had a hard time even with PS of making out what the faded stuff said.

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Nice train intersection! We made a left here.

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Yoks leading the way.

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We decided to spend the night on top of this ridge with panoramic views (and cell service).

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Yours truly after making it up to camp 1 with the lightest pack of the group at 37lb.

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We hiked down to the Lucia ruins later that afternoon and the next morning. The ruins are on the sloping bench in the center.

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Gary descending the trail to the ruins.

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Couple broken metates and the base of a beat up obsidian Cottonwood point.

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Couple morteros.

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We headed up Alamo Canyon and the trail was pretty obvious the first bit but then kind of disappeared. Fireplace maybe 100ft from the ruins.

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Rock walls are somewhat hard to see in this pic but suspect they are actually a corral.

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On the way out Sunday afternoon (Randy left early due to not feeling well and Gary and Yoks spent another night) came across a couple boulders with petroglyphs. Rockhopper's videos show two more petro sites I missed.

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Made it back to the car in the dark, about 18 miles and a nice start to the backpacking season. Thanks to Yoks, Gary and Randy for the invite. Enjoy!

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Rocko1
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11/7/2022
Rocko1
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Really fantastic report. I suspect the ducks are for the Villager east approach. I have always wanted to explore that side of the mountain but the parking logistics always deterred me.
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tommy750
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11/7/2022
tommy750
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Rocko1 wrote:
Really fantastic report. I suspect the ducks are for the Villager east approach. I have always wanted to explore that side of the mountain but the parking logistics always deterred me.


Think we discussed parking more than any other topic prior to the trip. GE has a "trailhead" icon at 80th and Fillmore but 80th has a dirt berm across it and Fillmore south of the E-W drainage channel is heavily signed no trespassing. The only other for sure not private property and not trespassing parking location for hikes to the south eg Salton Sea Petroglyph Trail/Travertine Palms would be at the west end of 86th. Certainly would like to know if anyone else is aware of other legit parking locations.
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Brian
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11/7/2022
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Great trip report. I love hearing about areas that aren't in the books. I did Martinez Canyon one time, so I know the parking challenge in that area.
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tommy750
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11/7/2022
tommy750
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Brian wrote:
Great trip report. I love hearing about areas that aren't in the books. I did Martinez Canyon one time, so I know the parking challenge in that area.


Definitely agree. Looks like someone spent the summer building a 300 acre golf course right near the mouth of Martinez Canyon. Curious.

Martinez Canyon Golf Course by tomteske, on Flickr
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Brian
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11/8/2022
Brian
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tommy750 wrote:
Brian wrote:
Great trip report. I love hearing about areas that aren't in the books. I did Martinez Canyon one time, so I know the parking challenge in that area.


Definitely agree. Looks like someone spent the summer building a 300 acre golf course right near the mouth of Martinez Canyon. Curious.


That's wild. My version of GE is still showing an agricultural field in that spot. It doesn't look like it would affect how I went in before, from 68th and Van Buren.
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ziphius
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11/8/2022
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Nice-looking trip guys.

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rockhopper
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11/8/2022
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Way to go! Glad you guys had an excellent adventure exploring the rock house canyons in the "other side" of the Santa Rosas. I am still searching for more to explore. Hard to imagine the Natives and Folks used to live back in there! Did you guys' pack in water or did you find the spring below Cris Lucia rock house? Rocko1, the "Trail to the left" is the most direct approach to Rabit peak up Barton canyon.
Can I add some pics?

Spring below Chris Lucia rock house.










Lucia rock hose from the trail with tele photo





I like this view. The Lucia rock house built on top of the Native American village here had a full view of the "Full" Lake Cahuilla.





My first thoughts that the rock walls up Alamo canyon were of an old Native American village. I called it S.R.I.R 2.0, but with minimal pot shares or grinding rocks I am thinking you are right as a possible corral.





On a side note, further up Alamo canyon there are some rock piles that look like old mining claim markers.
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tommy750
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11/8/2022
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Nice find, Rockhopper. We did not find any water below the site. I came up the wash from below and climbed to the top of the white rock dry falls and did not see any water but didn't actually wade through the reeds and catclaw. Yoks crossed over to the mining adit on the other side of the stream bed and didn't see any water either. Think Yoks found some mining claims above the Alamo Canyon site.

Rockhopper, were you able to find any mining activity in either canyon? It seems someone went through a lot of trouble to build that path and rock houses and not have some sort of sizeable mining activity. Thanks for the pics!
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rockhopper
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11/9/2022
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tommy750 wrote:
Nice find, Rockhopper. We did not find any water below the site. I came up the wash from below and climbed to the top of the white rock dry falls and did not see any water but didn't actually wade through the reeds and catclaw. Yoks crossed over to the mining adit on the other side of the stream bed and didn't see any water either. Think Yoks found some mining claims above the Alamo Canyon site.

Rockhopper, were you able to find any mining activity in either canyon? It seems someone went through a lot of trouble to build that path and rock houses and not have some sort of sizeable mining activity. Thanks for the pics!


Hi Tommy750,

You were really close. Yep, I had to go up the dry waterfalls and wade thru the reeds, cat claw, and bust thru a lot of dead branches. It made it easier for the wildlife. Ha! I was thinking of the same thing regarding mining activity. I saw a lot of mining claim markers further up Alamo canyon but no mining tailings. Maybe they were searching for the "Lost Esmerald mine of the Santa Rosas" Oh my!


Here is the spring location below the Lucia rock house. It's up aways towards the lone palm.



Poking around a rock face I found this seep also.



Glad you guys had a great adventure. It was my 3rd time up the canyon before I found water.
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Buford
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11/9/2022
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Nice work. Definitely looks worthy of exploring. Lots of cool artifacts you guys found. Good to see the lone hiker still has the port and starboard tape on the trekking poles.

Always sketchy leaving a car there even for a couple hours. I only know about the two parking areas already pointed out.

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tekewin
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11/15/2022
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Rocko1 wrote:
Really fantastic report. I suspect the ducks are for the Villager east approach. I have always wanted to explore that side of the mountain but the parking logistics always deterred me.




Yes, that's east approach to Rabbit through Barton Canyon. The white rocks really stand out in the dark, very helpful.

Amazing trip. Had no idea so many artifacts were out there.
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