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2 days ago
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Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

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dsefcik wrote:
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Track 1 and 2 look like great choices. What are your thoughts on terrain for these?

Track 1 is a good choice and you can check out the wildlife guzzler.
Here is a post from when I went with Hikerdmb http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic61-backpacking-in-bighorn-canyon.aspx
and my own blog post http://www.sefcik.com/2011/01/bighorn-canyon-nolina-wash-abdsp.html

Track 2 would probably be easier terrain wise and you have the option of exploring anywhere up in Hapaha Flat



Track 1 sounds perfect. Thanks again.
2 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

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Rocko1 wrote:

Track 1 and 2 look like great choices. What are your thoughts on terrain for these?

Track 1 is a good choice and you can check out the wildlife guzzler.
Here is a post from when I went with Hikerdmb http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic61-backpacking-in-bighorn-canyon.aspx
and my own blog post http://www.sefcik.com/2011/01/bighorn-canyon-nolina-wash-abdsp.html

Track 2 would probably be easier terrain wise and you have the option of exploring anywhere up in Hapaha Flat
2 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

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dsefcik wrote:
Here are 6 ideas....I think Blue Spring or Moonlight Cyn would be good. Don't know your skill level so really hard to recommend, you could just hike in to Little Blair and stop wherever feels comfortable and hangout. Moonlight is a tough hill climb.

https://caltopo.com/m/HLDK


I really appreciate the suggestions! I go many times with my brother and I have been known to 'death march' sometimes as I get so excited about exploring-this will help me make a more reasonable trip for a newcomer.
For this trip going up washes, up and over hills and some cross country would be fine. I don't want to burn her out on too much rock scrambling as I know some really don't like that. My wife is in shape-we hike most weekends-2,500 ft gains and 10 miles are doable for her-but first time out with a pack so I don't want to make it miserable either.

Track 1 and 2 look like great choices. What are your thoughts on terrain for these?
edited by Rocko1 on 1/15/2019
2 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

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Topic: Overnight Backpack Recommendations?
Added an 8th option, Rainbow Cyn / Box Cyn
2 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

Buford
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I was going to suggest plan #6 on dsefcik’s link. An easy walk and if desired you could explore further.

Another suggestion is Coyote Canyon and Collins Valley. Drive in as far as comfortable in a 2wd and start walking. It might be a road walk, but you can camp away from people by walking away from the roads.

Be prepared for colder than expected overnight temps at any of the locations.
3 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

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Added a Bow Willow loop top the map...
3 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

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Topic: Overnight Backpack Recommendations?
Here are 6 ideas....I think Blue Spring or Moonlight Cyn would be good. Don't know your skill level so really hard to recommend, you could just hike in to Little Blair and stop wherever feels comfortable and hangout. Moonlight is a tough hill climb.

https://caltopo.com/m/HLDK
3 days ago
Topic:
Red Top day hike

Buford
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Topic: Red Top day hike
Can confirm, those two are probably the toughest on the list. I wouldn’t worry about them getting too popular.
3 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

Rocko1
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Buford wrote:
Do you need a water source or is a dry camp ok? Looking to stay above freezing at night? All trail miles or is cross country hiking ok? I assume for an introductory backpack your looking for relatively easy miles? Desired scenery?

Too many options available.


Sorry, should have been more specific. Dry is fine. Above freezing preferable. A bit of cross country is no an issue as long as no bush whacking. Easier miles would be preferable. Scenery not that important.
3 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

Buford
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Do you need a water source or is a dry camp ok? Looking to stay above freezing at night? All trail miles or is cross country hiking ok? I assume for an introductory backpack your looking for relatively easy miles? Desired scenery?

Too many options available.
3 days ago
Topic:
Overnight Backpack Recommendations?

Rocko1
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I somehow convinced my better half to give primitive backpacking a go. Anyone have any recommendations for a (2-5 mile hike) spot for an overnight trip? Some wind protection would be a plus. My car is decent clearance 2wd smaller SUV. Any help would be appreciated.

Edit: Dry camp is fine-carrying water.
edited by Rocko1 on 1/14/2019
5 days ago
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

Britain
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Thats a fine collection of mylars!
5 days ago
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

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Topic: The Potrero Three Day BP
A few more pics...











5 days ago
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

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tekewin wrote:
I think your bug is a velvet ant, a sort of wingless wasp. Supposed to have one of the longest stingers of any insect. The Indian artifacts are sweet. +1 for Jim Beam as a camping essential. You guys have it all figured out.


I thought they were called "cow killers"....and I have to confess, there was Jack Daniels in the bottle....wink
5 days ago
Topic:
Photo editing software

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For RAW I use Corel AfterShot Pro, otherwise just use GIMP and sometime Photoshop with scanned film images.
5 days ago
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Why is it so hard to log in ?

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I can see you have two accounts, let me know if you still want help with it.
5 days ago
Topic:
A return to the red desert

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Looks really cool, thanks for sharing the photos.
5 days ago
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

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Yeah that was a fun trip, thanks for posting Tom....

Technically there is no legal overnight parking anywhere around there, it is all day use only parking.

Britain: Where exactly are stems getting cut? At the equestrian parking? Where did you get this info?
5 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse report

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Glad you could make it out there with the 'ol timer and have him show you around...
5 days ago
Topic:
Red Top day hike

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Nice! One of my favorite areas for sure..!
5 days ago
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

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Damn, that sucks but glad you are OK....I feel spoiled because Tom always has his satellite phone and I have started recently bringing the HAM radio.
5 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge update

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Thanks for that update...have never seen the chimney before, pretty cool.
5 days ago
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

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Glad your making a recovery and you will be back out in the wilderness soon.
5 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

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Neat expedition. It is ironic that this current south to north migrant corridor area, was used for thousands of years prior, as the route from the Colorado river to the coast. Some of these migrants have the DNA of the earlier native American tribes which crossed the same spot thousands of years apart. Great picto photos. Thanks for sharing.
5 days ago
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

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Went out with the wife in the rig. She now knows how to: Lock front hubs, disconnect sway bars, drop into 4 with the transfer case and turn on. lockers. Cast and gravity boot is off. Limping about. Need to go to Austin for consulting work. Hopefully, I won't miss the complete winter hiking season. Should be able to do some hikes late Feb. Got some splinting kits for xmas from a friend I havent met. Packers are cool to say the least.
6 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

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Topic: Pinto Canyon
Nice write and great hike. Thanks for sharing!
7 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

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Topic: Pinto Canyon
tommy750 wrote:
Nice trip report and pics. Glad you made it out. Looks like you found everything as well.



Pretty much everything, except 1.
7 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

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Topic: Pinto Canyon
Nice trip report and pics. Glad you made it out. Looks like you found everything as well.
8 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

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Topic: Pinto Canyon
tekewin wrote:
Great finds. Are erecto-glyphs a thing? I am skeptical, but I don't know enough to have an opinion.



The erections were added to the Ship petroglyph at some point. The report I have is from 1973 and the drawing of the site did not have that in it.
8 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

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Topic: Pinto Canyon
Rocko1 wrote:
Great report! I have always wanted to go out there but have been weary due to it being a route for immigrants and other stories of border patrol warning hikers it may be dangerous.



That's why I was told I wasn't supposed to go for a stewardship monitoring thing. I would have to go out with Armed BP they said and That probably wasn't going to happen. Same thing the previous archaeologist told me when I was planning this a couple years ago. There was evident of Immigrant crossing but not a lot where we were.
8 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

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Topic: Pinto Canyon
Great report! I have always wanted to go out there but have been weary due to it being a route for immigrants and other stories of border patrol warning hikers it may be dangerous.
8 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

tekewin
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Topic: Pinto Canyon
Great finds. Are erecto-glyphs a thing? I am skeptical, but I don't know enough to have an opinion.
8 days ago
Topic:
Pinto Canyon

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Topic: Pinto Canyon
Pinto canyon has been on my list of hikes to do and see some neat things. I finally made it out there while doing some monitoring of sites. While the people I was working for said they couldn't have me go there, they also said they couldn't stop me from "recreating" in that area. So I did, they got the report, and I marked another off my list.
For those of you who know the old PCAS article write-up on this area, we found ALL of the petroglyphs with the exception of 1 small one in one of the groups. But do you know which one?

We also found some "new" ones(?). Maybe modern? Who knows. We also found several seem to have been tampered with and the addition of Erections.

Also found the blue(not so blue now) cross and had it translated.
Did the hike with 2 friends, one of which had been to a couple of the petroglyphs and then we completed the list of petroglyphs listed in the article, and then some. A few mortero rocks and some pottery. The usual stuff all over the desert.

Great day of hiking. Started at 6:30am and got back to the trucks at 4:30 PM. 10 Hours, 13 miles(exactly). Started when the sun was coming up and ended when the sun was going down. There are a few things I need to go back and look at. Looking forward to another adventure in that area soon.
Pictures are not necessarily in order.

6:30 am start





The blue cross



"In memory of Martin Zamudio Torres born 11/29/1969 and left us 07/20/2008
Don’t fill your hearts with pain or sadness, but remember me every morning.
Remember the joy and laughter.
I’ve only gone to rest a little bit.
Although my departure left sorrow and suffering,
for me it has reduced my pain and has given me relief."










Head waters of Pinto, a large dry waterfall we had to get around, the photos just don't do the size of it justice.



The bottom of the falls







We did run into a few Palm Oasis'.





male and female...authentic? Including erection.



























This next petroglyph, was written off. We couldn't find it at first and decided to leave. As we walked up the wash to go back to the trucks I stopped to get a drink and glanced between these two large boulders. And there they were. Squeezed in between two large boulders where you would not normally look and very worn form the wind , water and sand.





I asked a few people who are familiar with the "ship of the Desert" stories and each said this symbol may have something to do with Spanish Treasure or a "Mission"(?). or Spanish mission?



This was almost written off as we didn't recognize it form the article at first. Several hours later when going back I looked at the article again and realized the drawing in the article was rotated 90° counter clockwise.




Lots of areas for grinding as well











9 days ago
Topic:
Cuyamaca Peak Via West Mesa Trail

Rocko1
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rockhopper wrote:
Good show man. Thanks for sharing. I really like the cup of Joe at the peak



Thanks. That is something I have made a habit of doing at the peak or halfway point. Worth the extra weight for me.
9 days ago
Topic:
Cuyamaca Peak Via West Mesa Trail

Rocko1
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tekewin wrote:
Nice hike in rare SD snow. +1 for Darn Tough socks, it's all I wear any more.



First time doing any real distance in some cold 'weather' in S.D. Yes, the socks are fantastic.
11 days ago
Topic:
Cuyamaca Peak Via West Mesa Trail

tekewin
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Nice hike in rare SD snow. +1 for Darn Tough socks, it's all I wear any more.
11 days ago
Topic:
Cuyamaca Peak Via West Mesa Trail

rockhopper
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Good show man. Thanks for sharing. I really like the cup of Joe at the peak
15 days ago
Topic:
Cuyamaca Peak Via West Mesa Trail

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Had a day off last Friday and decided to see if I could find any snow and a decent hike. I have hiked the peak countless times and wanted to try it from the south side. Parked at the Cold Stream trail head off the 79. Was about 22F when I started hiking. Took off up West Mesa Fire Rd and then onto Fern Flat Fire Rd. Ground was frozen. Connected with West Mesa Trail and started to see some snow on the sides of the trail. Just before Burnt Pine Fire Rd the snow was covering most of the trail and it only got thicker going upwards. Followed what looks like bobcat tracks almost the entire way up. You can see in another picture with by shoe print what looks like a much larger, non-descript track maybe from the day or two before-any ideas?

Stopped by Japacha Peak but stopped short 50ft of the summit as major bush whacking was needed from what I could see and I was too cold to deal with that. Burnt Pine then connects to the paved fire road leading to Cuyamaca Peak. Snow was thick all the way to the top. Forgot to keep my fuel in my jacket and boiling water took close to 20 minutes. Was a good hike and didn't see anyone else on the trail except a couple at the peak in full mountaineering get up.

Broke in my Altra Lone Peak 4 Mid shoes-paired with Darn Tough socks-no blisters at all. Very comfortable and had no issues with warmth.
Wore REI convertable pants, t-shirt, North Face TKA 100 fleece and Marmot Driclime windbreaker-this was more than enough for the temps. I ditched the windbreaker after 45 minutes in.

Here are the images https://imgur.com/a/572jg0x
edited by Rocko1 on 1/2/2019
12/14/2018
Topic:
Sheep Canyon campground road conditions?

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Coyote Canyon is closed !! Went out Wednesday to find the gate locked at third crossing. Sign says closed to vehicles and hikers. As we drove out a park maintenance worker said the recent rains damaged the road. Not sure why it is closed to hikers. I would call the rangers if you plan a trip out there to see if it is open.
12/13/2018
Topic:
Red Top day hike

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I very much enjoyed your trail report and photos. I glean a grin when you described the " misery" of the choked vegetation. Many thanks for busting through it to make it easier for the next guy! Seriously, great expedition fellas! Cheers.
12/12/2018
Topic:
Red Top day hike

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ziphius wrote:
Oh man, I wish you hadn't called it the T-Rex of the SDC list. Now everyone will feel obligated to do it. It used to be such a quiet place.



I think it the hardest of the bunch. The Sawtooth summit block was slightly harder, but getting to the Red Top summit block was harder. I needed a rope for Square Top, but the hike and navigation was much easier. I think T-Rex is a pretty good description, haha. I don't know that it will appeal to that many people. I've been into Indian Gorge 5 times and only saw people one time, at the False Sombrero trailhead. One of the things I love about Anza-Borrego is it usually isn't crowded, at least the places I've been going.
12/12/2018
Topic:
Red Top day hike

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Topic: Red Top day hike
Buford wrote:
Nice. I’ll be hitting those up soon. Planning on doing both in a long day via the same route from Indian Gorge.



Awesome, looking forward to your report. You take some detailed photos.
12/11/2018
Topic:
Red Top day hike

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Oh man, I wish you hadn't called it the T-Rex of the SDC list. Now everyone will feel obligated to do it. It used to be such a quiet place.
12/11/2018
Topic:
Red Top day hike

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Nice job! I remember the red can! Turns out I've never 'summited', 'cuz I decided not to do the summit block move - I was there solo and not feeling particularly lucky that day! I must return. Congrats.
12/11/2018
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge update

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sddarkman619 wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
railexplorer wrote:
I just got confirmation that the Sheriffs are running random patrols out in the Gorge.



The tracks and a few feet on either side are the 'no go' areas, correct?


A few feet meaning 200 ...
Most of the right of way through is either 200 feet wide or in most areas the railroad bought and owned whole "Sections" of land. A brochure put out years ago by the State Parks System said"to cross the right of way at 90 degrees to the track", but in the gorge that's a little hard to do with many near vertical slopes on either side of the track!

"It is the opinion of the Anza-Borrego Rangers that hikers are permitted to cross the tracks at right angles within the state park."
edited by sddarkman619 on 12/11/2018




I don't know if its 200 feet. One can find quite a bit of the right of way fence on both the south and north ends of the gorge and its definitely not 200 feet between the fences. A 200 foot right of way would make several roads off limits.

As for the Sheriffs, when they head out into the Gorge they're going out there with BJRR reps on BJRR vehicles, well it looks like a golf cart.
12/11/2018
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge update

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Rocko1 wrote:
railexplorer wrote:
I just got confirmation that the Sheriffs are running random patrols out in the Gorge.



The tracks and a few feet on either side are the 'no go' areas, correct?


A few feet meaning 200 ...
Most of the right of way through is either 200 feet wide or in most areas the railroad bought and owned whole "Sections" of land. A brochure put out years ago by the State Parks System said"to cross the right of way at 90 degrees to the track", but in the gorge that's a little hard to do with many near vertical slopes on either side of the track!

"It is the opinion of the Anza-Borrego Rangers that hikers are permitted to cross the tracks at right angles within the state park."
edited by sddarkman619 on 12/11/2018
12/10/2018
Topic:
Red Top day hike

Britain
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Topic: Red Top day hike
Nice write-up Congrats!
12/10/2018
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge update

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The Sheriffs won't be going far unless they have the keys to the tunnel gates. Was out there TG and the 2 tunnels I crossed on the north side of the trestle were gated.
12/10/2018
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge update

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Topic: Carrizo Gorge update
railexplorer wrote:
I just got confirmation that the Sheriffs are running random patrols out in the Gorge.



The tracks and a few feet on either side are the 'no go' areas, correct?
12/9/2018
Topic:
Red Top day hike

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Topic: Red Top day hike
Nice. I’ll be hitting those up soon. Planning on doing both in a long day via the same route from Indian Gorge.
12/9/2018
Topic:
Red Top day hike

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Topic: Red Top day hike
A couple of week ago, Matt and I attempted a day hike of Sawtooth Mountains high point and Red Top. We got Sawtooth, but ran out of daylight about half a mile below Red Top. Yesterday, we went back. We parked on North Indian Canyon Road so we could go over the Tierra Blanca Pass. We cached water in two places: at the entrance to Canebrake and at the bottom of the ascent gully. We went up the gully then drifted north, staying inside a sort of alley between higher ridges on both sides. The terrain is confusing and sometimes a 50' ridge blocked the view where 80' contour lines on the GPS showed a flat area. There was another big gully with huge boulders that got us about 200' below the summit. The wall of boulders choked with vegetation made a direct approach look improbable, or at very least, miserable. We climbed a short wall to the west to reach a final plateau clear of boulders. From this point forward, our GPS track is a mess as we picked our way up and across the maze toward the summit. There was a lot of bushwhacking and backtracking. Sometimes we would split up to explore different options, shouting to each other if it advanced our cause. The last 100' was mostly class 3, with the same kind of recon and route finding needed to find a way to the summit block.












A couple of hundred feet below the summit



A single red can held the register underneath the summit block. The summit block was about 20', but another boulder was piled against it to provide a head start. While the summit block is rated class 3, the final 10-12' was a mostly smooth surface requiring a friction move. It was a little spicier than expected, though the exposure was not bad. I got down by sliding into the boulder. The views in all directions were spectacular. The southeast ridge view was something special. The Inner Pasture and Canebrake surrounded everything like a moat. For Matt, it was his 69th peak on the Sierra Club San Diego Peak List. For me, it was 100/100 and a perfect list finish. After we both signed the register, we spread out one of the monster slabs for lunch. It took us about 2 hours to descend back to the bottom of the ascent gully. The walk back was long, interrupted occasionally by startled jack rabbits. We thought the sun would set when we reached the top of the pass, but we made it back to the truck just as twilight was fading. Red Top is a unique mountain that thoroughly captured my imagination. It is the Tyrannosaurus Rex of the SDC list. It's combination of remoteness, allure, and layered defenses make it one of my all time favorites. Full report here.


Climbing the summit block.


Southeast ridge


Looking over at Sawtooth






East ridge


Returning toward the pass, the truck another mile on the other side
edited by tekewin on 12/9/2018
edited by tekewin on 12/9/2018
edited by tekewin on 12/9/2018
12/9/2018
Topic:
Rockhouse report

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 114
tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 114
Topic: Rockhouse report
Cool snake. I wouldn't have expected to see any until March. That's a big piece of pottery. Interesting report.
12/6/2018
Topic:
Davies Valley and Pinto Canyon

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
The map would ab cool to do also.
12/6/2018
Topic:
Davies Valley and Pinto Canyon

sddarkman619
sddarkman619
Posts: 150
Britain wrote:
sddarkman619 wrote:
Anyone else want to try retracing that route on the old map?



I would Larry but prob not this year. Check with John? He mentioned going out to Pinto.



I meant on just the map. But John, myself and Charles are heading there this Sunday at first light.
12/5/2018
Topic:
Davies Valley and Pinto Canyon

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
sddarkman619 wrote:
Anyone else want to try retracing that route on the old map?



I would Larry but prob not this year. Check with John? He mentioned going out to Pinto.
12/5/2018
Topic:
Davies Valley and Pinto Canyon

sddarkman619
sddarkman619
Posts: 150
Anyone else want to try retracing that route on the old map?


12/5/2018
Topic:
Rockhouse report

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
Topic: Rockhouse report
Nice trip. Thanks for sharing, Those black diamond treks?
12/5/2018
Topic:
Rockhouse report

Buford
Buford
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Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Topic: Rockhouse report
Those cottonwoods are in a perfect cold air sink. All that cold air from above drained into the area.

I was very surprised to see the rattler right before the cottonwoods at nearly 5k of elevation. It was about 10’ off the trail and started buzzing as soon as I was close. I was ahead of Gary and he can’t hear them. I waited a minute for him to catch up so he didn’t accidentally get too close.
12/5/2018
Topic:
A return to the red desert

Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
There was a Ranger at Horsehoe while we were there. He had recently led a group of school kids to the gallery and asked them what they thought the pictos meant. One kid thought they were portraits of their presidents. Not a bad answer.

The Pictograph Fork below the Chocolate Drops had no one around. They were better pictos at one time but were more faded than Horsehoe.
12/5/2018
Topic:
Rockhouse report

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 420
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 420
Topic: Rockhouse report
Neat trip Buford. Looks like into full mode desert season exploration hiking. I love Rockhouse valley. It's like your 1000 miles away from civilization when your in it. Thanks for the trip report.
12/5/2018
Topic:
A return to the red desert

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 420
Great expedition Buford! Those pictos of the star people in ancient Native American legends perhaps?
12/4/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
ziphius wrote:
Britain, glad you made it out safely. Heal up well and take it slowly. I don't own either, but Tom's satellite phone or an InReach Explorer should probably be part of my kit. I second Buford's advice. Have at least a space blanket or down jacket with you for exposure. You never know how long you will need to sit tight until help arrives. https://andrewskurka.com/2018/review-spot-x-gps-two-way-satellite-messenger/
edited by ziphius on 12/4/2018


Thanks for the advice. Yes, I will be adding more items to my pack. I'm pretty much set up to expect to be stranded for a couple days. But I'll add a few items to the list.
12/4/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 723
Britain, glad you made it out safely. Heal up well and take it slowly. I don't own either, but Tom's satellite phone or an InReach Explorer should probably be part of my kit. I second Buford's advice. Have at least a space blanket or down jacket with you for exposure. You never know how long you will need to sit tight until help arrives. https://andrewskurka.com/2018/review-spot-x-gps-two-way-satellite-messenger/
edited by ziphius on 12/4/2018
12/3/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
tekewin wrote:
Dude, that sucks. This is the nightmare scenario I worry about. Well, that and a cougar on my neck. At least you weren't alone and you self rescued despite the injury. Gotta feel good about that. I been lucky to only have minor injuries so far, but I have been battling hip bursitis for over a year. Physical therapy has helped but it lingers. Driving actually causes me more issues than hiking. Rest up and get better. The desert will be here when you are ready.

I have an ACR ResQLink locator beacon, but am considering an InReach so I can text my wife when I am safe but running late.



Thanks. Had a knee problem which was fixed and a minor rotator cuff issue. Got up to 10 miles feeling good and did this on an easy bunny rabbit trail. Though getting out was another experience. Guess hiking is a bit like riding a motorcycle, once you think your the master its tells you your not. I'll keep on Tom's and Daren's exploits to add to my wish list.
12/3/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
Britain wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
Britain wrote:
Have that on my radar. They actually have parking now just south of the runway next to the Troutman Mountain. Looks like a nice pack.



Not sure whether that lot allows more than day parking. Only time I was ever over there, the gate that led out to the lot was closed.


Well, the equestrian parking would work. On another note, it's been reported that someone has been cutting off valve stems out there. A few reported being stranded.


That's not very nice. That would definitely suck coming back to that.
12/3/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
ziphius wrote:
Nice trip Tommy / Daren. The bird is a Dark-eyed Junco and yes, the black-n-red insect is velvet ant. Very painful sting! I wandered over in that mine direction a couple of times. Lots of ranching artifacts for sure.



Thanks, Ziphius! Tom
12/3/2018
Topic:
Rockhouse report

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
Topic: Rockhouse report
Nice TR Buford. Have only spent one night at the Cottonwoods and nearly froze. Looks like a fun trip.
12/3/2018
Topic:
A return to the red desert

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
Nice trip, Buford. Like the Horseshoe Canyon pics. Tom
12/3/2018
Topic:
A return to the red desert

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 723
Nice trip report Buford. Some of those pictos are downright spooky.
12/3/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 723
Nice trip Tommy / Daren. The bird is a Dark-eyed Junco and yes, the black-n-red insect is velvet ant. Very painful sting! I wandered over in that mine direction a couple of times. Lots of ranching artifacts for sure.
12/3/2018
Topic:
Rockhouse report

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 723
ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 723
Topic: Rockhouse report
Good-looking trip Buford. Amazed that Crotalus ruber was out this late in the season.
12/3/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
I may have given the wrong location for parking. This one.
12/3/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
tommy750 wrote:
Britain wrote:
Have that on my radar. They actually have parking now just south of the runway next to the Troutman Mountain. Looks like a nice pack.



Not sure whether that lot allows more than day parking. Only time I was ever over there, the gate that led out to the lot was closed.


Well, the equestrian parking would work. On another note, it's been reported that someone has been cutting off valve stems out there. A few reported being stranded.
12/2/2018
Topic:
A return to the red desert

Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Spent a week in October exploring a different desert again.

Viewed many rock art panels. Most of the stuff I saw is well known and traveled, if a ways off the normal tourist path.
















dstretch to help a couple out:







It was like a Maze at times:





Fall in the canyon bottoms:





Not the weather we were hoping for:


The big ditch:


Gold at the end of the tunnel:


Dino print:


Sand dunes:
12/2/2018
Topic:
Rockhouse report

Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Topic: Rockhouse report
Before Thanksgiving I did a backpacking trip to Rockhouse Valley with everyone's favorite guide.

Day 0:
Met up around sunset at the Butler/Rockhouse junction. Got my truck to the end of the Rockhouse road in the dark EEK! Only truck damage was to parts meant to be damaged. We hiked up Rockhouse Canyon in the dark to a point past Hidden Spring.

Day 1:
Woke up and explored a potential solstice site and looked at a mostly complete but broken pot:


Spent the rest of the day making it up to a spring and spent the night near an old stone foundation.

Spring in good condition still, plenty of clear flowing water:


Someone was here before us:


Day 2:
Hiked to the upper Rockhouses and explored a nearby spring, dopefarm, rock art and settlements.



Surprised to see this guy still out and about and active. Hope he made it through the cold night that followed.



Third night was spent near the upper rockhouses. It got cold, mid 20s overnight with frost completely covering my sleeping back from head to toe.

Cottonwood:


Day 3:

Climbed to the Buck Ridge high point. Spent the last night of the trip near the highpoint. Saw three bighorn ambling along the ridge near camp.

View of Jackass Flat and Borrego Springs from Buck Ridge:


Day 4:
Descended Buck Ridge to Jackass Flat, dropped down to Hidden Spring and exited.


Other random pictures:

Kitties:




Saw far more cat prints than human prints on the trip.

Some dstretch enhanced rock art:

edited by Buford on 12/2/2018
12/2/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
Britain wrote:
Have that on my radar. They actually have parking now just south of the runway next to the Troutman Mountain. Looks like a nice pack.



Not sure whether that lot allows more than day parking. Only time I was ever over there, the gate that led out to the lot was closed.
12/1/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
Have that on my radar. They actually have parking now just south of the runway next to the Troutman Mountain. Looks like a nice pack.
12/1/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 420
Neat trip tommy and Daren. Did you pack water and/or locate a source? Nice arrow point finds there. Palo point is very interesting. The cave paintings are very interesting also. I need to spend more time on researching the meanings. On broken points. Between the cattle stomping all over the area past 100+ years and the ritual of breaking the deceased persons possessions a full point is super find.
12/1/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
Buford wrote:
Cool trip. I like all the arrowheads. I have yet to find one mostly intact.



Yeah, I think we're about 50-100 years too late to see a lot of intact points out there. Most of the areas with old ranching have been picked pretty clean including Potrero. Even the broken ones are a nice find.
11/30/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Topic: The Potrero Three Day BP
Cool trip. I like all the arrowheads. I have yet to find one mostly intact.
11/29/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
tekewin wrote:
Awesome!

I think your bug is a velvet ant, a sort of wingless wasp. Supposed to have one of the longest stingers of any insect. The Indian artifacts are sweet. +1 for Jim Beam as a camping essential. You guys have it all figured out.



Think you're right Tekewin. And nothing better than a couple swigs after a long day of hiking smile
11/28/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 114
Awesome!

I think your bug is a velvet ant, a sort of wingless wasp. Supposed to have one of the longest stingers of any insect. The Indian artifacts are sweet. +1 for Jim Beam as a camping essential. You guys have it all figured out.
11/27/2018
Topic:
The Potrero Three Day BP

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
Had a three day weekend recently and was able to head out to The Potrero with Daren. Was last out with him on a five day Grand Canyon South Rim trip the month before( https://www.flickr.com/photos/tommy750/albums/72157701387945651 ). Ended up being about 34 miles and 8K gain/loss, something strenuous office work does not adequately prepare one for smile This time we headed out from the equestrian parking lot off S-2 and hiked up canyon to the the circular trough about six miles in.

A little exploring via headlamp later that evening.

IMG_0337 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0871 by tomteske, on Flickr

Daren getting his camping essentials organized.

Camo Camp by tomteske, on Flickr

The next day we headed further up canyon encountering an old mine with surrounding rock walls. It's in the far left of the photo where Daren is looking.

Toward The Mine by tomteske, on Flickr

Actually looked like an adit with the entrance partially occluded.

Adit by tomteske, on Flickr

Looking down canyon.

Upper Potrero by tomteske, on Flickr

Milling near an old spring.

Morteros by tomteske, on Flickr

Lots of the expected ranching artifacts.

IMG_0339 by tomteske, on Flickr

Feed Trough by tomteske, on Flickr

Tarantula.

Tarantula by tomteske, on Flickr

This guy was hopping all over camp and acting generally frenetic. You have a name for this guy, Ziphius?

Black Headed Bird by tomteske, on Flickr

The final day we headed by a site Daren found on a previous trip with four metates and two soda bottles, a Pepsi and Coke.

One of Four by tomteske, on Flickr

Another mine with rock walls.

Mine Wall by tomteske, on Flickr

Found this on GE a while back. We both had a hard time finding it on the ground. Looks like an old ranching house.

Structure by tomteske, on Flickr

Foundation by tomteske, on Flickr

Nice bug.

Black and Red by tomteske, on Flickr

Trying to enter a rock shelter with limited success.

IMG_0341 by tomteske, on Flickr

Worth the squeeze.

IMG_0933 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0903 by tomteske, on Flickr

We found and/or relocated a number of points. Here's a few. Seeing how these were created and re touched is quite fascinating. Almost tempted to carry a real camera and macro lens with me next time smile

Broken obsidian Cottonwood point.

Potrero Point 1 by tomteske, on Flickr

Broken tip of a Paleo or Archaic point/dart.

Potrero Point 2 by tomteske, on Flickr

I'm thinking this point was a nice obsidian Cottonwood that broke and was attempted to be retouched into a Desert Side Notch but abandoned.

Potrero Point 3 by tomteske, on Flickr

About 21 miles, 2.7K gain/loss and another great time in the desert. Enjoy. Tom (All the pics with a white border are Daren's)
11/26/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 114
Dude, that sucks. This is the nightmare scenario I worry about. Well, that and a cougar on my neck. At least you weren't alone and you self rescued despite the injury. Gotta feel good about that. I been lucky to only have minor injuries so far, but I have been battling hip bursitis for over a year. Physical therapy has helped but it lingers. Driving actually causes me more issues than hiking. Rest up and get better. The desert will be here when you are ready.

I have an ACR ResQLink locator beacon, but am considering an InReach so I can text my wife when I am safe but running late.
11/26/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
tommy750 wrote:
Yikes, terrible that happened, Britain. Least you made it out. Have been lugging my Iridium 9555 around for the past ten years and have never needed it for a 911 type call but have never regretted having it. Obviously lots of new devices over that period of time including inReach. Wouldn't hesitate to recommend you carry one of them. Good luck with your recovery. Tom

Thanks, Tom, the good news is even with the multiple broken bones, fractures and most ligaments torn. Doesn't look like any surgery for now. Could be back on the trails end of January. Winter is not lost yet!
11/26/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 806
Yikes, terrible that happened, Britain. Least you made it out. Have been lugging my Iridium 9555 around for the past ten years and have never needed it for a 911 type call but have never regretted having it. Obviously lots of new devices over that period of time including inReach. Wouldn't hesitate to recommend you carry one of them. Good luck with your recovery. Tom
11/25/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
I usually carry a roll of duct tape. Good for if your boots come apart and other fixes. Its good at making splints if required. It was a tough 4 miles to get out, 3 dry waterfalls to boot. Lots of butt scooting! Yes, you do need to get out. If I had the tape I could have made a crutch, without the trekking poles It would have been really hard.
11/25/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
An InReach is not a miracle. It is electronic and could break. Even if the SOS is activated, it may take SAR until the next day or later to arrive depending on location.

My belief is one must get out under their own power if safe and possible though it might take longer. SOS will bring in SAR, but they will be put at some risk.

I am not a big believer in extensive first aid kits for hiking. There is no way to carry supplies for every scenario. I carry enough to stop a bad cut from bleeding, Benadryl for potential allergic reactions, and pain killers. I use trekking poles and could use them as a crutch and can try and Jerry rig a splint from them if required.
11/25/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
Buford wrote:
Ouch. Heal up quick.

It is something I often worry about. Worst injuries so far are over use injuries, cuts, scrapes, minor tweaks, and bruises. Most minor injuries caused by some combo of bushwhacking, cacti, loose terrain, steep terrain, minor falls, and rocks rolling underfoot.

I let people at home know where I am going and when I will be back, plus carry an InReach. I always have a down jacket in case of an unplanned night out.

Yes, many people asked if I had Inreach. No, I didn't but I most likely will next time. It sort has put the boo into me but I'm sure once healed up I'll be foolhardy again smile
11/25/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Ouch. Heal up quick.

It is something I often worry about. Worst injuries so far are over use injuries, cuts, scrapes, minor tweaks, and bruises. Most minor injuries caused by some combo of bushwhacking, cacti, loose terrain, steep terrain, minor falls, and rocks rolling underfoot.

I let people at home know where I am going and when I will be back, plus carry an InReach. I always have a down jacket in case of an unplanned night out.
11/25/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 420
Britain, So sorry to hear about your injuries. Man that sucks. Best thing to do now is to help the healing process. I've been down this road before. It's probably too late to ice the inflammation but I do lots of turmeric to reduce the inflammation. Other than that, rest,eat healthy and let the bones mend. Slow and steady rehabilitation works best for me. I don't like pain meds. Let your body tell you when it's time to walk. Slow and steady wins the race. Good thing you had a hiking partner and a medical kit. Anything is better than nothing. You did everything right. Just bad luck . Get well and you will be back exploring "Our" wilderness. Keep us posted on your recovery.
" Any hurt yourself out hiking"
Ha, I think I could write mini book on that subject. Mostly near misses and scary moments. I must be a cat because they say they have 9 lives. I am much more careful as I become chronologically gifted. I will share one of my more comical lesser injuries. I drove out to an obsidian butte on the south shore of the Salton Sea to check it out and photo. I had just drove 2 hours. I was on my first walkabout of the day of a 3 day solo camping trip. Well as I was climbing up the black glassy surface... slip...ouch. I stood up and had multiple pieces of obsidian glass sticking out of by elbow /arm. I had just left my truck 10 minutes and already I am injured! As I was bleeding pulling out the shards of obsidian and putting bandages on, In my head I remember my Wife telling me " be careful out there "
edited by rockhopper on 11/25/2018
edited by rockhopper on 11/25/2018
11/24/2018
Topic:
Any hurt yourself out hiking?

Britain
Britain
Posts: 371
Did a job on my ankle Thanksgiving day. 4 miles out in a bad place. Learned a few things. I couldn't feel any breaks in the leg but I do remember the foot folded up against my lower leg. Once I straighten my leg the foot popped back into place. Had my wife pull on the foot to see if was still attached and it was.

So next my next step was to rig up something. I usually carry duct tape but I took it out of the pack to use it for something else and didn't put it back. I had Ibuprofen which I quickly took about 600mg. I do carry a first aid kit so I looked into is another joke. Well, I did manage to get up and could lightly stand on the damaged leg. I limped for about a mile to the first rock pile. I told my wife "thats all folks" she should now hike out and try and get some help. Well the Ibuprofen started to work after an hour or so so I headed out. Knowing my wife she would need to follow how we got in to show anybody where I was so I would stay the route.

3 miles and 5 hrs later the wife is coming back. 911 wasn't answering. Well 4 miles back to the rig and 7 hrs to get out. X-rays show multiple broken bones and fractures. Sort of made me sick looking at them.

I will now fix the first aid kit to include this type of fun. Its put the boo into me but I'm sure once I'm good to go I wont act my age again and be out where I shouldnt be.

Never go to urgent care its a joke, Thanksgiving time at the hospital in EL Centro will be a long wait. Plenty of Sand People and Plaster City people worse off than I was. Then mix in the locals. Full house folks. Well, I'm splinted up plenty of pain meds. I need to wait until Monday to get pinned back together.

Stay safe people.
11/7/2018
Topic:
Sheep Canyon campground road conditions?

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 114
I drove to the middle of Collins Valley at the end of May. The roads were in good shape all the way. Water was about 6" at the 2nd crossing. The usual half mile rough patch is still rough. I went north at the road split in Collins toward Wash BM so I don't know what the rest of the road to Sheep Canyon Campground is like.
11/4/2018
Topic:
Not enough rangers

Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Buford
Buford
Posts: 123
Topic: Not enough rangers
Plum Canyon left fork needs cleanup again. Some ***** real special people vandalized it Friday night, yesterday morning. They went up canyon lighting plants on fire, left broken beer bottles and cans, used toilet paper, graffiti on the rocks, trash fire still burning...

A small example:

11/4/2018
Topic:
Sheep Canyon campground road conditions?

kylekai
kylekai
Posts: 82
Thinking of heading to Sheep Canyon campground next week. Anyone know anything about the road conditions to the campground?
11/1/2018
Topic:
Not enough rangers

kylekai
kylekai
Posts: 82
kylekai
kylekai
Posts: 82
Topic: Not enough rangers
ziphius wrote:
Sad story and true. And people complain if you impose some small park fee to raise money to help pay for rangers etc.
edited by ziphius on 6/17/2018

Their web site mentions a $10 entrance fee collected at the visitor center. I was recently at Death Valley NP, and they had kiosks set up at the park entrances to collect entrance fees. Seems as if similar kiosks at ABSP would be a small investment for a larger return to hire more rangers.
10/30/2018
Topic:
Not enough rangers

Canebraker Jeff
Canebraker Jeff
Posts: 10
4 new Rangers now on the job. They are not from here, so we will see how it goes.
10/23/2018
Topic:
No Big Horn this year seen during hiking

Canebraker Jeff
Canebraker Jeff
Posts: 10
Bighorns seen daily in the canyons Northwest of Canebrake
10/17/2018
Topic:
Photo editing software

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 114
tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 114
Topic: Photo editing software
I don't work with RAW (not a real photographer). I have a relatively cheap point and shoot canon. I do minor touch ups and/or add graphics or comments with Irfanview, a free Windows program. It's pretty powerful for what it is, but it can't do layers or fancy stuff.
10/17/2018
Topic:
Photo editing software

ziphius
ziphius
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ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 723
Topic: Photo editing software
Many thanks Tom.




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