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2 hours ago
Topic:
Three days of Petroglyphs in the Santa Rosas

rockhopper
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Rocko1 wrote:
Very nice trip! 58lbs! You have a great eye, I think I would have missed most of those petroglyphs. How far in before the old trail faded out?




Rocko1. Fortunately the 58 pounds was for only 5 miles the first morning. I know I missed some petroglyphs because the land erosion below some of the boulders put the glyphs too high to see with out a ladder. The trail I followed in really started fading out around mile 4 or so. But further on in protected flat areas the trail in short sections was in great shape, but then faded away again. I will try to post a route on GE when I can get to it.
6 hours ago
Topic:
Three days of Petroglyphs in the Santa Rosas

Rocko1
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Very nice trip! 58lbs! You have a great eye, I think I would have missed most of those petroglyphs. How far in before the old trail faded out?
6 hours ago
Topic:
Three days of Petroglyphs in the Santa Rosas

Brian
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Great pics and report. I love hearing about the areas where most people don't go. 3 days is a tough one with no water source.
6 hours ago
Topic:
Three days of Petroglyphs in the Santa Rosas

Scooter
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Great trip report! I have always wanted to explore that area. Thanks for the report.
16 hours ago
Topic:
Three days of Petroglyphs in the Santa Rosas

rockhopper
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Greetings. I made a trip to the east side of the Santa Rosas in late March for a three day petroglyph search in an area I had been to several years ago. My goal was to back pack in, make a base camp and day hike for three days in the surrounding area. Planning for no water available I packed in 2.5 Gal of water and got my pack down to a manageable 58 pounds. I parked next to a farmers field and hiked in.

Searching for the old Native American trail. Rabbit peak beyond.


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I dropped my pack and went searching for the old trail and this desert owl was flying around me.





I finally found the trail and the first petroglyph of the day.



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Here is the what is left of the trail further in.







I made my base camp in a nice flat area with a nice cooking rock.






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Ocotillo were starting the bloom. Moon in the middle.





So was the barrel cactus.









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I located the area of petroglyphs and began my search.
















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Milling site nearby.





Typ. Pottery piece in the area.





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View of the east side of the Santa Rosas









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Had a great trip. Hiked almost 20 miles. Used all my water. Saw no one else. 9 Mylar Balloons. On the trail back home.
Cheers







edited by rockhopper on 4/18/2021
4 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Rocko1
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Rocko1
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Buford wrote:
I went by the trailhead about 5:30 or so saturday morning on my way out to the desert and saw multiple groups heading out or packing up. I was not on the Villager/Rabbit ridgeline.

9L of water EEK! That is why I dayhike stuff like this.

Drank a 1.5L at the car. It wasn't fun lugging that weight. My base pack weight with 2lbs of food was about 12lbs. A hiker in our group only carried 5.5L which to me seemed crazy to me but water requirements vary so wildly between hikers.
4 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

ziphius
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Congrats on seeing a lion and a great trip report!
4 days ago
Topic:
2021

ziphius
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ziphius
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Topic: 2021
Great photos Buford!
4 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

ziphius
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ziphius
ziphius
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Nice-looking trip!
4 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Buford
Buford
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Buford
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
I went by the trailhead about 5:30 or so saturday morning on my way out to the desert and saw multiple groups heading out or packing up. I was not on the Villager/Rabbit ridgeline.

9L of water EEK! That is why I dayhike stuff like this.
4 days ago
Topic:
2021

Buford
Buford
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Buford
Buford
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Topic: 2021
Another view of the ramp
5 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Rocko1
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Rocko1
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Thanks everyone. There was another group of 5-6 that just went to Villager and some bagged Mile on the way out. Saw lots of abandoned water caches on Rabbit in metal mailboxes-most from 2008/2009-guess they never made it back.

Were you out their Saturday Buford?
5 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

tekewin
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rockhopper wrote:
Nice loop hike. Seeing the cougar was a plus. Matches your Icon. I have climbed up the the peak 2x via the normal route with the double false peaks. We had talked about climbing up one of those north face chutes. You went down them! Holly smokes! Did you move any boulders going down? Ditto on the snakes. They all seem to be rattlers'.

btw. Martinez and Cactus spring trail area is one of my favorite areas this time of year. I have never seen horse thief creek dry.

edited by rockhopper on 4/14/2021


The north face chute we went down is actually considered an optional route by the Sierra Club. The boulders are mostly stable and there is nothing technical. Not sure about the the other chutes. It gets a little tedious after 1000' or so, but it takes you directly below the summit.

It is such a cool transition zone between the desert and higher mountains. For convenience, I wish that creek was about half way to Martinez, ha.
5 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

rockhopper
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Good show man. Glad you made it happen. You got your sunrise photos! Only been up to Rabbit once. That was enough for me. Great trip and photos. Congratulations. You will remember Rabbit the rest of your lives. Guaranteed!
5 days ago
Topic:
2021

rockhopper
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rockhopper
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Topic: 2021
Great B@W photo. I call " The ramp" The Paw.
5 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

rockhopper
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Nice loop hike. Seeing the cougar was a plus. Matches your Icon. I have climbed up the the peak 2x via the normal route with the double false peaks. We had talked about climbing up one of those north face chutes. You went down them! Holly smokes! Did you move any boulders going down? Ditto on the snakes. They all seem to be rattlers'.

btw. Martinez and Cactus spring trail area is one of my favorite areas this time of year. I have never seen horse thief creek dry.
edited by rockhopper on 4/14/2021
5 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Scooter
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Scooter
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Outstanding trip report. Beautiful days and no wind ! Nice
Have done Dawns in a day trip and overnight. On the day trip we camped on rock house road at the trail head the night before. Left before sunrise and came back around 8 pm in the dark. The worst part of Dawns is there is no trail like Villager. Good Luck
5 days ago
Topic:
2021

Scooter
Scooter
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Scooter
Scooter
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Topic: 2021
Beautiful, "The Ramp"
5 days ago
Topic:
2021

Buford
Buford
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Buford
Buford
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Topic: 2021
New one:

5 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

Buford
Buford
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Nice report. Cactus Spring has been on my radar for a while and your report makes it look even more worthwhile.

Awesome on the Cougar sighting.
5 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Buford
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Buford
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Glad you made it. I think I saw you guys getting ready in the morning.

The sunrise shot is awesome.
5 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

tommy750
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tommy750
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Just thinking about 9L x 2.2lbs/L= makes me hit the wall smile Great TR and really like your pano pic above the selfie. Okay, the selfie is nice, too...
6 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

Britain
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Nice report. Ran into a cougar a while back but at a larger distance. Unsettling to say the least.
6 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Britain
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Britain
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Pretty awesome! Thanks for the share!
6 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Rocko1
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Rocko1
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Brian wrote:
Impressive hike and impressive elevation gain! In all my years of hiking I've never paid much attention to the question of how much elevation gain is reasonable for me to attempt in a day. Now I'm starting to pay attention out of necessity. When we did Granite, that was reasonable for me. This one wouldn't be.



If I had rested longer on Villager-taken an hour nap-it wouldn't have been so bad. But everyone does have to have comfortable limits. I will attempt Dawns at some point and need to come up with a plan-as pushing something that hard as a day hike probably won't work unless I went back to eating carbs.
edited by Rocko1 on 4/13/2021
6 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

tekewin
tekewin
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Brian wrote:
I really like this area but have never gone further than Cactus Spring.



Yeah, I really like it, too. Asbestos is the same kind of terrain. Large plants, small trees, but with space in between, and piles of stacked boulders.
6 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

Brian
Brian
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I really like this area but have never gone further than Cactus Spring.
6 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Brian
Brian
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Brian
Brian
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Impressive hike and impressive elevation gain! In all my years of hiking I've never paid much attention to the question of how much elevation gain is reasonable for me to attempt in a day. Now I'm starting to pay attention out of necessity. When we did Granite, that was reasonable for me. This one wouldn't be.
6 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit Peak Overnight

Rocko1
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Rocko1
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Topic: Rabbit Peak Overnight
Went up to Rabbit Peak this last weekend with a group of 3 others. Started at S22 at 5:30am. Was already 73F. I was carrying 9L of water.








Mile High-save that one for another day.


Made it up to Villager around 11. Rested an hour or so and started off to Rabbit. My favorite spot to get out of the sun on Villager.


Having slept only an hour the night before and having some issues with high output hikes and eating low carb coupled with electrolytes being off, it was a perfect storm for me hitting the wall. I really struggled from about 5 miles in. This last push to Rabbit looked insurmountable to me.



Two from our group got to Rabbit about 3, I got there around 4. Was a great feeling despite being so weak.



My sleeping quarters for the night.



Was low 70s. I had used 4L of water to get to Rabbit-that was with conserving. I cached 1L at Villager. Rabbit really has a nice place to wonder around and look at the views.



Video of Rabbit camp area.
https://youtu.be/EssX1R1QITc


We woke up at 5am and headed back at just after 6am. I felt like my old self again. Low for the night was 50F. No wind at all this night.

Some of the best sunrise colors I have ever seen. It was surreal at how vibrant the sky looked.





Salton Sea.


Toro and maybe Dawns?



Stopped at Villager for a quick break and retrieve our water.


The path back to S22. A long way to go..



Made it back to the car by 12:40pm. Drank the last liter of water 1 mile from the car. Was 93F at the trailhead.

In retrospect I would have done this in cooler temps, brought a bivy to cowboy camp and I could have used 2 more liters of water. The area around Rabbit was my favorite so far. I really was amazed at how how healthy/green the area was.

Our stats.
22.72 Miles
8,289' gain/8,269' loss.


edited by Rocko1 on 4/13/2021
6 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

Rocko1
Rocko1
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Nice report. I really want to explore Martinez at some point, when it's cooler.
6 days ago
Topic:
Martinez Mountain and Sheep Mountain

tekewin
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First, the cougar. My friend Henry and did a loop down Cactus Spring Trail to Martinez, then cross country to Sheep Mountain. On the way back from Sheep, we walked up on a cougar resting in the shade of a small tree. The cougar was 15' away and bolted directly away from us at high speed. It was a surreal 2 second encounter. We checked the rear view frequently the rest of the way back, but don't think it followed us. First time meeting a cougar in the wild while hiking.


This was a very long hike. The Cactus Spring Trail was nicely maintained. Soft sand and wooden markers to keep you generally on track. Horsethief Creek had some water, but it wasn't flowing. We took the trail to the southeast ridge of Martinez, then followed a use trail with many cairns over 3 false summits. The summit plateau was filled with tall boulder piles and the high point was a 40' stack, requiring several solid class 3 moves. There was an ammo box on top with a register from 2003, only about 1/3 full. It's popular with peakbaggers being on both the Hundred Peaks List and Desert Peaks List. Awesome views of Rabbit, Toro, Asbestos, and Joshua Tree.






Rabbit from Martinez


Toro



We descended from Martinez down the main gully, full of boulders and run off. The rocks weren't too loose, but it was steep enough that it required attention. Then it was two miles cross country to Sheep Mountain. The high desert here is semi-open with cactus, junipers, cedars, and manzanita with enough space to weave in between. There were many ridges and bumps that prevented us from seeing Sheep until we were nearly there. GPS helped. Sheep was a walk up with a benchmark and standard HPS register. We followed a different ridge down and had more bumps to get over to get back to the trail. We were about a mile from the trail when we met the cougar. Once back on the trail, it was 4 miles and about 700' up to get back to the trailhead. In late afternoon, we found a small red diamond rattler (my favorite kind of rattler). Martinez was a spectacular mountain. Highly recommended!






Martinez from Sheep Mountain


Trying to get back to the trail


Red diamond, my favorite brand of rattlesnake
9 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Rocko1
Rocko1
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rockhopper wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
tekewin wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
I would do DHeuschle's plan. If you absolutely want to do a sun rise on top of Rabbit, do a headlamp start under the stars or moon light closer to the summit. I day hiked Rabbit from the Barton canyon route on the East side with a climbing buddy. One quart of water each in the winter.



There are two bumps between Villager and Rabbit



Would there be a few spots in this section for tents?




Rocko1,

Yes there are flat spots along the ridge route. This one is alongside the trail below Villager. I day hiked Villager and Rabbit but this is where I would camp if backpacking Rabbit. This spot comes with a kitchen with a view. Mile high peak beyond. Happy trails to you.


edited by rockhopper on 4/9/2021



Oh that is supreme!
10 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

rockhopper
rockhopper
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Rocko1 wrote:
tekewin wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
I would do DHeuschle's plan. If you absolutely want to do a sun rise on top of Rabbit, do a headlamp start under the stars or moon light closer to the summit. I day hiked Rabbit from the Barton canyon route on the East side with a climbing buddy. One quart of water each in the winter.



There are two bumps between Villager and Rabbit



Would there be a few spots in this section for tents?




Rocko1,

Yes there are flat spots along the ridge route. This one is alongside the trail below Villager. I day hiked Villager and Rabbit but this is where I would camp if backpacking Rabbit. This spot comes with a kitchen with a view. Mile high peak beyond. Happy trails to you.


edited by rockhopper on 4/9/2021
10 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Rocko1
Rocko1
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tekewin wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
I would do DHeuschle's plan. If you absolutely want to do a sun rise on top of Rabbit, do a headlamp start under the stars or moon light closer to the summit. I day hiked Rabbit from the Barton canyon route on the East side with a climbing buddy. One quart of water each in the winter.



There are two bumps between Villager and Rabbit



Would there be a few spots in this section for tents?
11 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

epolomsk
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Its quite tasty water,better than stifferino imho :-)
But not as good as nicholias.
11 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

Rocko1
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dsefcik wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:

Very nice. All I saw there was thick mud. Is this further up the area or did the grass get cut?

If you walk 20-30' up cyn from the main hole in the ground there is a bunch of grass and there is a small water hole that had some water in it.

Ah, good to know. Thanks. Have you had the water from this spring, is it palatable?
11 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

dsefcik
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Topic: Box canyon to nicholias loop
Rocko1 wrote:

Very nice. All I saw there was thick mud. Is this further up the area or did the grass get cut?

If you walk 20-30' up cyn from the main hole in the ground there is a bunch of grass and there is a small water hole that had some water in it.
11 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

Rocko1
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epolomsk wrote:
quick video of siphoning water at Hidden Spring
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UxLnfsf937nROnSDV1UHt7jqWWWbuWOd/view?usp=sharing

Very nice. All I saw there was thick mud. Is this further up the area or did the grass get cut?
12 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

epolomsk
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quick video of siphoning water at Hidden Spring
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UxLnfsf937nROnSDV1UHt7jqWWWbuWOd/view?usp=sharing
12 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

epolomsk
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Hi Daren et al.
I'll post a map and more info in a couple days, Im a professor and got 100 tests to grade this week :-)

BTW: Its a *VERY hard route. not possible to get to stifferino in 1 day from 3rd crossing.
Schad mentions it in his book.
He says, IF you follow the faint, eroded indian trail, its 5 hrs to Hidden from 3rd crossing.
It took us 7 cuz we lost the trail, but was faster on the return.

Daren: we skipped the dry waterfall in Nicholias, theres a use trail around it.


Hidden spring: I agree not reliable, but even this year, we were able to siphon several gallons, after digging it out a tiny bit.
We dug where the bees were drinking.
Lovely docile bees, picked some up in my fingers, no problem!

Other BTW: wonderful close up encounters with poorwhills at Hidden Spring!
12 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

tekewin
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I am really unfamiliar with the route you took. Could you please post a map of your route? Sounds like a big day.
13 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

rockhopper
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dsefcik wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
Interesting seeing the other hikers out there. Actually kinda nice if your soloing.

Gary and I were out there from Thurs-Thurs that week and we only saw a single hiker on day 1 that was coming back from the lower rock houses. I looked out into the valley every day and never saw anyone, even at the top of the santa rosa ridgeline, I am surprised someone saw our packs. There were a lot of footprints in the main wash to the cottonwoods via the dry fall...many footprints.



Epolo, Daren and Gary,

I was out hiking the on the east side of the Santa Rosas on the other side of Rabbit a few days before you guys. Going thru photos to post.
14 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

Brian
Brian
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dsefcik wrote:
Unfortunately there are too many misc cairns out there, many of them only indicate someone else has gone that direction *at least once*. While they can be helpful in many routes I would not suggest following them if they do not seem like they are taking you in the right direction. One of the things I like about the desert is you can generally just head the direction you want to go and find a route.


I also chose the route I did because I could see from where I was that it was a viable route all the way to the bottom. Ironically, this means that by trying to play it safe I was going down a steeper route than if I had trusted the topo map. I'm still pretty new to going places that aren't well-used routes and this trip was a good reminder that I need to get better at topo map skills.
14 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

dsefcik
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Topic: Box canyon to nicholias loop
epolomsk wrote:
Thursday april 1, completed 3rd crossing,box canyon,hidden spring,santa rosa, nicholias loop.
Went down nicholias.
Done this loop twice before.

I am not quite visualizing your loop, can you share more info or a map? You started at 3rd crossing, went over box to hidden spring, up to stiffereno, over to nicholias, down dry fall, back down rhc to hidden spring and then back over to box/3rd crossing?
14 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

dsefcik
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Topic: Box canyon to nicholias loop
rockhopper wrote:
Interesting seeing the other hikers out there. Actually kinda nice if your soloing.

Gary and I were out there from Thurs-Thurs that week and we only saw a single hiker on day 1 that was coming back from the lower rock houses. I looked out into the valley every day and never saw anyone, even at the top of the santa rosa ridgeline, I am surprised someone saw our packs. There were a lot of footprints in the main wash to the cottonwoods via the dry fall...many footprints.
14 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

dsefcik
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Topic: some pics from Wednesday
Brian wrote:
There were probably better ways to descend the ridge I was on, but I started seeing cairns, so I figured at least someone had done my route before.
Unfortunately there are too many misc cairns out there, many of them only indicate someone else has gone that direction *at least once*. While they can be helpful in many routes I would not suggest following them if they do not seem like they are taking you in the right direction. One of the things I like about the desert is you can generally just head the direction you want to go and find a route.
14 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

dsefcik
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Topic: some pics from Wednesday
Brian wrote:
dsefcik wrote:
Gary and I took the finger to the right in this photo and then stayed way right to come down almost straight in line with the trucks parked at Butler junction.

So that's how you beat me back to the car! When I looked at google earth after I got home I could see that would have been a better route than what I did. I saw some cairns leading down toward the deep canyon and followed them. It was a wild ride.


Here is the route we took down:
14 days ago
Topic:
Fee Collection and Amenity Upgrade ABDSP

dsefcik
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Topic: Fee Collection and Amenity Upgrade ABDSP
I remember years back they were trying to charge like $20 or something like DV was doing but then dropped that, can't remember the details.
14 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

dsefcik
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Topic: Box canyon to nicholias loop
Those were our packs at Stifferino, we day hiked the ridgeline that day and came back down near the old village. Gary and I backpacked for 7 days last week out there, sounds like you back tracked our route. Will post a TR hopefully this week.


Hidden spring had maybe a dixie cup of water, would never depend on that water.
14 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

Buford
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That sounds like a nice long dayhike through some really cool areas. I would never count on Hidden for water or try and get water from it unless it was an emergency.

There are way too many unprepared people out there. You probably saved SAR from a mission.
14 days ago
Topic:
Fee Collection and Amenity Upgrade ABDSP

Buford
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I have mixed feelings. I like the desert because it doesn't have amenities or too many people. There are too many careless visitors to the park and not enough rangers.

If fire rings and pit toilets concentrate people in sacrificial areas while keeping the rest of the park pristine and with fewer people I am for it. Charging $20 a night might have the opposite effect.
15 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

rockhopper
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Nice loop trek. Nicolas Guanche was one of the last Native Americans to live there. Interesting seeing the other hikers out there. Actually kinda nice if your soloing.
15 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

rockhopper
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Brian wrote:
Buford wrote:
Did you actually find the Corp BM? When I did 6582 a couple years ago we couldn't find the BM but didn't spend too much time looking. The rock art was easy enough to find.

The ridges in that area sure are steep.


I went right by the waypoint I had saved for Corp but I didn't look for it either. I was running low on water and ready to be done at that point.[/quote


Looks like your hiking poles were adjusted on full short during the ascent and full long during the decent. I would need to use my big horn sheep hiking skills on those slopes.
edited by rockhopper on 4/4/2021
15 days ago
Topic:
Fee Collection and Amenity Upgrade ABDSP

rockhopper
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I agree with ziphius. Leave the rest of the desert alone. Just like we like it.
15 days ago
Topic:
Fee Collection and Amenity Upgrade ABDSP

ziphius
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Amenities don't belong in deserts. That's the definition of a desert. I don't mind paying fees here and there, if the money goes towards rangers and buying more land. Anza Borrego Foundation is a good example of the latter.
16 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

epolomsk
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I enhanced that cairn in butler a bit with some big boulders, its quite fun to follow the old indian trail from there:-)

Too bad we didnt meet the folks at stifferino, would be interesting to know their route. From there we followed an old indian trail to santa rosa village and a well ducked trail up to nicholias; it even had switchbacks. Quite a pleasant route.
16 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

Brian
Brian
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epolomsk wrote:
Btw, there is an old indian trail from playas to hidden. Its faint, and sometimes disappears,BUT the way down into Butler is very well worn and very well cairned.


I went down Butler about a month ago and saw the cairn at the bottom for that trail. I think some time I'll do that section starting from Butler just to see the section I haven't seen.

I have a hunch that the backpackers staying at Stifferino were much better prepared than the ones you encountered at Box.
16 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

epolomsk
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Btw, there is an old indian trail from playas to hidden. Its faint, and sometimes disappears,BUT the way down into Butler is very well worn and very well cairned.
16 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

epolomsk
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Yes, we started at 3rd crossing.
Retraced thru box.
Box is so lovely i never mind walking thru twice:-)
It even had a few blooming lupine!

Ijust doubled checked schad's book and he says 5 hard hrs each way to hidden. I seriously doubt the two backpackers i met read thst account, so really unsure how they thought they could get there when starting at 4pm from box. Yikes, they could have died.
16 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

Brian
Brian
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epolomsk wrote:
Meant to say siphoned water at hidden, NOT box canyob


That was going to be my first question. I didn't think there was any water in Box Canyon. I've done parts of the route you describe, but not the part from the playas above Box to Butler.

Did you start at 3rd crossing? How did you close the loop? Or did you retrace through Box?
16 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

epolomsk
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Meant to say siphoned water at hidden, NOT box canyob
16 days ago
Topic:
Box canyon to nicholias loop

epolomsk
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Thursday april 1, completed 3rd crossing,box canyon,hidden spring,santa rosa, nicholias loop.
Went down nicholias.
Done this loop twice before.
Driest i have ever seen it.
Siphoned waterfrom a fist sized puddle atbox!

Shocked to see 2 backpacks at Stifferino spring
Near the martinez canyon trail.
Have never encountered anyone there on previoys trips.

Is this route advertized somewhere?

Becz, also encountered 2 ppl heading up box to hidden.
Very nice,butVERY unprepared.
4pm, and they had mistaken boulder alley at 3rd crossing for box canyon and thot they wete gonna get to hidden that day!
Later met them at the saddle above box on the old indian trail; they had again hotten turned around and thot they were looming at rockhouse canyon,vut were actually viewing santa catarina from afar.

They thought they were only 1 hr from Hidden (with backpacks)
And had no idea how little water there was there.

Seemingly no maps..yikes. fortunately they turned around from this life threatening plan.

Nicholias cottonwoods lovely and leafing out,
The route down nicholias was sadly very overgrown with tumbled cairns (fixed a few)

Hard, but great trip.
Zero wildowers except very few in box canyon.
16 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

Brian
Brian
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Buford wrote:
Did you actually find the Corp BM? When I did 6582 a couple years ago we couldn't find the BM but didn't spend too much time looking. The rock art was easy enough to find.

The ridges in that area sure are steep.


I went right by the waypoint I had saved for Corp but I didn't look for it either. I was running low on water and ready to be done at that point.
16 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

Brian
Brian
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dsefcik wrote:
Gary and I took the finger to the right in this photo and then stayed way right to come down almost straight in line with the trucks parked at Butler junction.


So that's how you beat me back to the car! When I looked at google earth after I got home I could see that would have been a better route than what I did. I saw some cairns leading down toward the deep canyon and followed them. It was a wild ride.

It was great meeting you and Gary too. The best part of my day in fact.
16 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

dsefcik
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deborah wrote:
"this downclimb can't be that bad?" when you know the alternative is a long backtrack...


Gary said to me once when we were climbing up a long access road to Rogers peak in Death Valley that was all up and zero down, "I ain't seen a single downhill going up this hill"
16 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

dsefcik
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Brian wrote:
That feeling when your waypoint is only a half mile away but you realize it's on the other side of a canyon that looks like this.





Hey Brian, good to meet you in person!

Brian managed to run across Gary and myself up in the flat before this downhill. Gary and I took the finger to the right in this photo and then stayed way right to come down almost straight in line with the trucks parked at Butler junction.

Gary and I backpacked for 7 days in Rockhouse Canyon and on our last day we were up in that flat when we ran into Brian.
16 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

Buford
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Buford
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Did you actually find the Corp BM? When I did 6582 a couple years ago we couldn't find the BM but didn't spend too much time looking. The rock art was easy enough to find.

The ridges in that area sure are steep.
16 days ago
Topic:
Fee Collection and Amenity Upgrade ABDSP

Buford
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Not surprising. In the last ~15 years they have started charging for day use parking at the visitor center, Hellhole Canyon, The Slot, Sheep Canyon Campground...

The primitive campgrounds have been overrun since the first flowergeddon a couple years ago. Then the pandemic hit with more people in the park, even places that used to be deserted. There are still places to camp with no one around but they take a little more effort than just a couple years ago.
17 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

Brian
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That's basically what I was doing, but in reverse. I need to work on my cardio before I can attempt anything like Dawn's.
17 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

deborah
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Thanks Brian, I thought that's where it was but wasn't quite sure.

It's a great area to explore. Sometimes I follow Schad's approach, then meander back via Rockhouse Canyon. I have yet to do the climb to Dawn's Peak though. Maybe this year. smile
17 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

Brian
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deborah: the bottom is BM "Corp" in Clark Valley. The far ridge in the pics (the one I had intended to go down but didn't) is the ridge that Schad recommends for an approach to Dawn's Peak.

There were probably better ways to descend the ridge I was on, but I started seeing cairns, so I figured at least someone had done my route before.
17 days ago
Topic:
Fee Collection and Amenity Upgrade ABDSP

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Topic: Fee Collection and Amenity Upgrade ABDSP
In case you have not seen this proposal.
Not sure I like this precedent. upset

Fee Collection and Public Serving Amenity Upgrades SURVEY

California State Parks is proposing instituting fee collection for primitive camping at various locations within Anza-Borrego Desert State Park.

In established primitive camping areas, the project would include providing a constructed ADA accessible Concrete Vaulted Toilet (CXT) restroom facility with parking area, new fire rings, new signage, and incorporating a $20 per night per vehicle or trailer fee.

Locations will offer camping with adjacent state managed recreational activities to include camping, hiking, equestrian, biking, bouldering, picnicking, and street legal off roading.

California State Parks is accepting comments regarding the proposed Land Use Action through April 7, 2021.
edited by surfponto on 4/2/2021
17 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

deborah
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Oh that's great! I chuckled reading it. It reminds me of those internal debates, like "this downclimb can't be that bad?" when you know the alternative is a long backtrack...

Where is this?
17 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

Rocko1
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Rocko1
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Topic: some pics from Wednesday
That's quite a ridge to scramble up!
17 days ago
Topic:
some pics from Wednesday

Brian
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That feeling when your waypoint is only a half mile away but you realize it's on the other side of a canyon that looks like this. "You descend the ridge you have, not the ridge you wish you had." I may be slightly misquoting someone.





20 days ago
Topic:
Chariot Mountain

Rocko1
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Topic: Chariot Mountain
tekewin wrote:
Everyone singing Chariot praises inspired me to visit on Sunday. The hike felt a lot like Roost, drop down, go up, drop down, go up. I took the firebreak both ways, pretty open. The small register is almost full, could use a new one the next time someone visits. Loved the views into Mason Valley and the weather was perfect. On the way back, I took a short side trip to Julian Ridge Benchmark. Surprised to find a register in cans there.





Chariot from Julian Ridge Benchmark





Very nice. Love the views and the hike for Chariot.
20 days ago
Topic:
Chariot Mountain

tekewin
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tekewin
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Topic: Chariot Mountain
Everyone singing Chariot praises inspired me to visit on Sunday. The hike felt a lot like Roost, drop down, go up, drop down, go up. I took the firebreak both ways, pretty open. The small register is almost full, could use a new one the next time someone visits. Loved the views into Mason Valley and the weather was perfect. On the way back, I took a short side trip to Julian Ridge Benchmark. Surprised to find a register in cans there.





Chariot from Julian Ridge Benchmark
21 days ago
Topic:
Solar Project in Jacumba

ziphius
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Jacumba is a nice sleepy town. Agree, we should stop taking away habitat and destroying vista and put the panels on places we've already ruined, like housing developments and parking structures.
25 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

rockhopper
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I still like DHeuschele's plan the best. You are correct about the weather. If you guys are flexible you could pick a weather window. Good luck with Rabbit.
edited by rockhopper on 3/26/2021
25 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Rocko1
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Buford wrote:
The longer you carry your overnight gear and water, the longer you can delay the decision about where to camp or cache it for later. Don't carry it down anything you don't want to haul it back up smile

I am always surprised at the different amounts of water people go through for the same hike. Hiking together at the same time and pace some people need way more or way less water than others. I could believe 1qt on the right day.

That is true. If it was just myself I would probably push to Rabbit and camp some place on the way back. I am also thinking barring weather this would be a good place to try out cowboy or bivy camping to lighten my pack.
25 days ago
Topic:
Solar Project in Jacumba

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Topic: Solar Project in Jacumba
There is a proposal for a large Solar project out in Jacumba.
Always been a proponent for rooftop solar and less transmission.


You can read more here
Jacumba Solar Project
edited by surfponto on 3/25/2021
25 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

rockhopper
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Buford wrote:
The longer you carry your overnight gear and water, the longer you can delay the decision about where to camp or cache it for later. Don't carry it down anything you don't want to haul it back up smile

I am always surprised at the different amounts of water people go through for the same hike. Hiking together at the same time and pace some people need way more or way less water than others. I could believe 1qt on the right day.


Correct. It was in February and cool. We tanked up with water before we left and ate oranges and apples. This was back in the 1987 before hiking poles. I was still in my 20's doing triathlon's and such. I traded extra water weight for a heavy SLR camera with attachments. It was one of the toughest day hikes I have ever done. If you based camped on the east side of the mountain it would be far easier and shave off around 3.5 miles one way for a easterly climb.
edited by rockhopper on 3/26/2021
25 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Buford
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The longer you carry your overnight gear and water, the longer you can delay the decision about where to camp or cache it for later. Don't carry it down anything you don't want to haul it back up smile

I am always surprised at the different amounts of water people go through for the same hike. Hiking together at the same time and pace some people need way more or way less water than others. I could believe 1qt on the right day.
25 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

tekewin
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rockhopper wrote:
I would do DHeuschle's plan. If you absolutely want to do a sun rise on top of Rabbit, do a headlamp start under the stars or moon light closer to the summit. I day hiked Rabbit from the Barton canyon route on the East side with a climbing buddy. One quart of water each in the winter.



A friend and I did the Barton route in May 2019. One quart for Rabbit? Wow. I think I drank 2 gallons, but we came down a different ridge below Villager. A ridiculous loop I don't recommend.


To OP: I vote with DHeuschele to camp at or below Villager. There are two bumps between Villager and Rabbit that add a few hundred feet of gain, but at that point, you are going to be tired and it feels like a lot more. Same with the final push to Rabbit.

It's awesome, though. Have fun!
25 days ago
Topic:
Election Week 2020 Hiding In The Desert

ziphius
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tommy750 wrote:
Just stumbled on your post, Ziphius. Very informative TR and an even better use of time than watching Steve Kornacki fret about when to call Arizona. Daren and I were out in Potrero late February and noted a lot of stripped cholla. Packrats?? Thanks!


Thanks Tom. Yeah, when you see chomped cholla, it's usually jackrabbits. If the skin is peeled off, it's usually woodrats. It can vary between the two, but jackrabbits have a hard time being 'delicate' about their browsing.
25 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Rocko1
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rockhopper wrote:
I would do DHeuschle's plan. If you absolutely want to do a sun rise on top of Rabbit, do a headlamp start under the stars or moon light closer to the summit. I day hiked Rabbit from the Barton canyon route on the East side with a climbing buddy. One quart of water each in the winter.

Rain over Villager/ Rabbit yesterday 3-23-2021

edited by rockhopper on 3/24/2021


Not a bad idea. I can't imagine doing that kind of gain with only 1q water.
25 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

rockhopper
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I would do DHeuschle's plan. If you absolutely want to do a sun rise on top of Rabbit, do a headlamp start under the stars or moon light closer to the summit. I day hiked Rabbit from the Barton canyon route on the East side with a climbing buddy. One quart of water each in the winter.

Rain over Villager/ Rabbit yesterday 3-23-2021

edited by rockhopper on 3/24/2021
26 days ago
Topic:
Election Week 2020 Hiding In The Desert

tommy750
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Just stumbled on your post, Ziphius. Very informative TR and an even better use of time than watching Steve Kornacki fret about when to call Arizona. Daren and I were out in Potrero late February and noted a lot of stripped cholla. Packrats?? Thanks!
26 days ago
Topic:
Helicopter on Jacumba Gas Station?

tommy750
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When I saw the Chevron station put up the chopper I assumed it was a way to drum up business since the Shell station competitor always had way more customers. Your link clarified everything. Thanks!
27 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Rocko1
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DHeuschele wrote:
I’ve stashed water dozens of times in deserts and have yet to have animals noticeably mess with the water. This includes in the fragile gallon jugs.

The camp location I use is at the descent just prior to villager. Next day is short hop to villager, then the roller coaster to Rabbit and then return to camp, pack, and descend. I do this to minimize carrying the camp gear, carried camp gear is never carried down to subsequently be carried up, it is a good campsite location, it starts day 2 with a descent. Note I usually start late on day 1. Day 2 is slightly long, but all uphill is without the backpack.

Good luck

That's a good strategy and If going alone I may push to do day hike. I am going with some others that wouldn't be able to do accomplish that. Goal was to finish day 2 in as little time as possible-that's why the goal of Rabbit on day 1.
edited by Rocko1 on 3/23/2021
27 days ago
Topic:
book recommendations?

DHeuschele
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Not a book, but relevant to the reference to Ghost Mountain and the South family, Desert Magazine. I used to have them all (?) digital. Not sure I can still access, but I should check and place on CD/DVD.
27 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

DHeuschele
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I’ve stashed water dozens of times in deserts and have yet to have animals noticeably mess with the water. This includes in the fragile gallon jugs.

The camp location I use is at the descent just prior to villager. Next day is short hop to villager, then the roller coaster to Rabbit and then return to camp, pack, and descend. I do this to minimize carrying the camp gear, carried camp gear is never carried down to subsequently be carried up, it is a good campsite location, it starts day 2 with a descent. Note I usually start late on day 1. Day 2 is slightly long, but all uphill is without the backpack.

Good luck
27 days ago
Topic:
2021

Buford
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Buford
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Same day, looking in a slightly different direction than one of the others:


Another direction:


Example of the type of hike the real camera gets left at home:
27 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Buford
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Supposedly the ridge between Villager/Rabbit is a lot of up and down. I did a non standard route and missed this part. Depending on how you feel, hauling overnight gear through that roller coaster may be tough after lugging it up to Villager in the first place. I think that is why Schad's book mentions day hiking from Villager. Some people don't mind hauling extra weight around.

Cached water can freeze if left exposed depending on the expected temps during your trip. I found a beer/water cache on the Santa Rosa ridgeline a few years ago that froze and blew up.

Hopefully the Rabbit summit register ammo can still has some of the cool surprises people have left.
27 days ago
Topic:
Helicopter on Jacumba Gas Station?

Britain
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3 weeks ago didnt see the military copter only the Black smaller one. Perhaps the smaller one was in front of the military copter. For sure it was there today.
28 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Rocko1
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dsefcik wrote:
Schad's book suggests (if I remember correctly) spending the night at Villager and day hiking to Rabbit. Agree with Budford for the views.

Thanks. I will prob. try to push to Rabbit first day as the thought of going further out and back seems daunting rather that just returning.
28 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

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Topic: Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy
Schad's book suggests (if I remember correctly) spending the night at Villager and day hiking to Rabbit. Agree with Budford for the views.
28 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

dsefcik
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There is room for tents. You will probably see tons of water already stashed and abandoned. I have seen some with duct tape covering the bottles and others just left out. Unlikely they would get chewed thru in one night but burying would not hurt.
28 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Buford
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There is enough tent space on Rabbit for tents. Lots of trees so it should be somewhat wind protected. It is a big flattish area for the summit. The views from the Rabbit summit area itself are not great unless you walk out to an edge.

Option 2 is probably best for water. Hauling 9L all the way up sounds miserable just to carry some back. Ensure caches are out of site from people. I think critters are less likely an issue for a single night. Everyone goes through different amounts of water.

One other water strategy: day hike it. That way you have less water weight and gear weight to worry about. Travel lighter and faster but you’ll miss the sunrise views from the ridge.
28 days ago
Topic:
Rabbit/Village Peak Water Strategy

Rocko1
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Scooter wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
dsefcik wrote:
#2 Probably leave a couple of drops along the way up if you are certain you will come back down the same way.

You know yourself and water needs best however.


Thanks Daren. You figure just burring under some rocks off trail 10 yards or so will suffice? I have heard of animals chewing through plastic to get to water. Not sure how quickly that happens or if it's a summer thing.

I agree with Darren to leave water on the way up. We have started off carrying a half gallon water bottle. Drinking that as you go up. Then leaving it on the side of the trail for the way our. I would highly recommend staying the night before at Arroyo Salado so you can get an early start the next morning. Even if you arrived at the campground really late.
We have also spent the night on Villager and done Rabbit the next morning and hiked out that day.
Enjoy !

Thanks. I have done Villager before as a day hike. Will leave pre-dawn for sure. Is there decent room at Rabbit for a few tents? Going with 3 others.




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