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2 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

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Britain wrote:
If your stuck get an FB account for SoCal Off-road Recovery SOS ( link below). In imperial Country theres a couple of us that can assist if we're online and notice the request.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scor.sos/

That's pretty cool...Thumbs Up
3 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

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If your stuck get an FB account for SoCal Off-road Recovery SOS ( link below). In imperial Country theres a couple of us that can assist if we're online and notice the request.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scor.sos/
3 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

Britain
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Carrizo sort of reminds me of the east side of the Salton Sea. People just like to drive down the beach so to speak. Once they break through that crust into the gloppy stuff its all over. If you know how to drive in soft sand you'll have no issues. I was out there a couple weeks ago nothing packed down yet. Didnt need to use 4 wheel drive either.
4 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

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dsefcik wrote:
Not familiar with that area but looks nice. We did a 7 day backpack end of Sept over Crabtree Pass annd Rock Creek...never got around to posting anything but some photos and gps tracks are here if interested. Days were 40/50's and nights were below 20....cold.....

Beautiful country out there, thanks for sharing.


Wow looks like the same route we took back in the early 80's. Nice pics!
4 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

kylekai
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Great, thanks for the update!
4 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

Mandie
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I was there on Thanksgiving and had no trouble in my 4runner. I imagine it should be tamped down enough now for a trailer. Only real place I could see you getting squirely is turning in from the S-2 so maybe try not to cut it too sharp on the turn.
4 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

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Awesome!!
5 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

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Not familiar with that area but looks nice. We did a 7 day backpack end of Sept over Crabtree Pass annd Rock Creek...never got around to posting anything but some photos and gps tracks are here if interested. Days were 40/50's and nights were below 20....cold.....

Beautiful country out there, thanks for sharing.
6 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

Britain
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Carrizo is bad as soon as you exit off S2, its that way for about 2 miles. Pulled a 4x4 out which got stuck about 500ft off of S2 .
6 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

kylekai
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OK, thanks. The road to Bow Willow campground is open to 2WD so may just go there.
6 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

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Topic: Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp
Have not been on that road specifically but I would not doubt it....Carrizo was really bad a couple weeks ago and the general trend this year is it is more sandy were there is sand.
6 days ago
Topic:
Road to Mt Palm Springs primitive camp

kylekai
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Has anyone been on the road to Mountain Palm Springs camp? The web site https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=638 says it's very sandy and 4X4 only. I wanted to take my RPOD trailer there towards the end of the this month. Is the road really that bad?
6 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

rockhopper
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Buford, Great pics btw. Looking at your photos, they look like many of mine. We hiked the same areas days apart! Yes, we x-country day hiked to Gardiner pass. We found the very faint rarely used official USGS trail coming back. Part of the trail was obscured by an large avalanche. If you found the trail to Gardiner pass, you could huff a 50lb pack over but, the way we went (boulders and bushes) it would be tough! btw We entered Sixty lake basin via the trail and exited X-country the notch down to the Muir/PCT trail. Baxter lake/ Pass is awesome! We got dumped on with heavy rain also. Cheers!
Gardiner Pass

Bear Scat





Old timer. est 2000 years+

Snow Avalanche damage below Gardiner pass.

edited by rockhopper on 12/11/2017
edited by rockhopper on 12/11/2017
6 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

Buford
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Nice rockhopper! Did you get into Gardiner Basin? I wanted to but the incoming weather kept me from wanting to cross between Sixty Lakes and Gardiner. I saw few other people, except for the short section of PCT/JMT. I entered Sixty Lakes from the cross country notch and exited on the trail.
6 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

ziphius
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Awesome stuff Buford / rockhopper, thanks for sharing.
6 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

rockhopper
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We just missed each other! My Brother and I were at Sixty lake Basin in late September. Awesome place. We saw no other people. Still fussing and learning my new photo hosting.
Local Wild life


Climbing up Charlete Dome






Back side of fin dome.

Cave with ceiling smoke markings at 10,000ft +

edited by rockhopper on 12/10/2017
6 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

Britain
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Awesome ! Thanks for sharing, one of my favorite places.
7 days ago
Topic:
A trip started in the desert

Buford
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Owens Valley is a desert right?

Quick backpacking trip over Labor Day. To avoid crowds and make permits easier, I did a lollipop loop in and out over one of the less traveled east side passes of the Sierra.

Nothing like waking up at sea level at 3:00 am, picking up a permit at Lone Pine at 8:00 am, hitting the trail at 9:30 am at 6k of elevation, and going over a 12k pass right after lunch:


I looked for Bighorn in a couple likely places on this trip and did not see any. I have yet to see them in the Sierra, guess I'll have to go back :




Spent about a mile on the Pacific Crest Highway, snapped the stereotypical shot and left the trail:


There must have been sixty lakes in the basin:


Upper most lake was still partially frozen over in September:


Calm winds, good reflections, flying bloodsuckers all go hand-in-hand:


Less than sixty lakes in this basin, but greater than 60 people meant time to move on quickly:


No dragons at the lake, no Bighorn Sheep either. There was other life:


Incoming storms alter plans to go over cross country passes and bag peaks. Incoming storms make great sunsets. Cellphone cameras don't capture sunsets well:


Hammered by rain all night, had to put up the shelter:


One last view from the pass:


Hopefully I make it back to Borrego next weekend.
7 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

DesertWRX
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We just recently drove our Tacoma up to Sheep Camp in 2WD. The Bypass Rd is very tame now. After the next strong rain it will be a different story. As for driving a Fit up the canyon, I would stop at 2nd Crossing. Keep an eye out for some rocks sticking up and drive around them. The trip up to 2nd Crossing will give you a lot to see. Once at 2nd Crossing you can explore that area. We did see a Subaru up in Collins Valley, but AWD and some ground clearance will work for them.
edited by DesertWRX on 12/9/2017
8 days ago
Topic:
Red Hill

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Topic: Red Hill
Buford wrote:
Nice. I have yet to hit Red Hill.

Any idea how many sheep DFG was able to tag?


No, they were not very friendly. Perhaps the one I was talking to had a bad night or something.
9 days ago
Topic:
A Red Desert

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Topic: A Red Desert
Did volunteer work via a Sierra Club trip assisting Moab BLM do site surveys for some "new park or monument" back in 2013 in what is now Bears Ears. Amazing area loaded with prehistory. Can't imagine in a hundred years anyone will be sad we didn't frack up or overgraze the area a little more than it all ready is. Really short sighted. Thanks for bringing attention to this, Buford. Here a few more pics of the area.

Casa Colorado Point by tomteske, on Flickr

pictos5_lye by tomteske, on Flickr

White Chalcedony Point back by tomteske, on Flickr

Salt Creek by tomteske, on Flickr

Sherds by tomteske, on Flickr
9 days ago
Topic:
A different desert

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Topic: A different desert
Great pics, Buford.
9 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

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Topic: Rockhouse / Buck Ridge
Looks like a great trip, Daren. Can personally attest, the crew on this hike is always busy fixing the springs and hacking down the evil tamarisks. Nice work!
10 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

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rockhopper wrote:
Did you filter or boil the water? How did it taste? I always packed in water most of the time as insurance.

Filter.....water out there is fine, no problems. We still need to carry lots of water since the springs are not conveniently located logistically speaking.
10 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

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Topic: Rockhouse / Buck Ridge
Cool pictures and good to see all the water. Always an area I wanted to explore.

Really wish I could of joined, my bag was packed but I was stuck a couple time zones away.
10 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

cercidium
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great report and photos! i need to return and grab my first 35mm camera one of these days... accidentally abandoned atop a rock at the far end of the valley (following the schad hiking loop). your photos bring back tons of memories!
10 days ago
Topic:
Pinyon Valley Road Condition?

Britain
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Much is hard packed, some areas rough. Don't recall any sand. Never put rig in 4X4.
edited by Britain on 12/6/2017
10 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

rockhopper
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Good show guys! The animals and people thank you for your efforts. I love Rock house valley or as I like to call it. " A positive vortex". Too much time in Sedona AZ. Ha! Did you filter or boil the water? How did it taste? I always packed in water most of the time as insurance.
10 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

ziphius
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Topic: Rockhouse / Buck Ridge
That pictograph looks like the Pink Panther! Nice trip and cleanup.
10 days ago
Topic:
A different desert

ziphius
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Topic: A different desert
Nice trip Buford. I'm looking forward to getting out there too. smile
11 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

Buford
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That road is the Turkey Track Grade. Unless there have been huge changes, it is not remotely close to 2wd or passenger car accessible. Someone else might have more recent info, I have not been in the area recently.

The road actually goes all the way down to the Fig Tree Valley, Bailey's Cabin and Upper Willows area.



This might help:
https://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/638/files/abdsp_Park_Map201704.pdf
https://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/638/files/Road%20Conditions%2012.5.17.pdf
edited by Buford on 12/6/2017
11 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

clinton.ross.davis
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There's a road I'm seeing on Google Maps that leads from the town of Anza down to Nance Canyon, less than 3 miles from Upper Willows. Anyone know this road: Coyote Canyon Road? Is it drivable with a passenger car?

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/33.55491,-116.6806715/33.4716013,-116.551392/@33.5135105,-116.6856142,20339m/am=t/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0
edited by clinton.ross.davis on 12/6/2017
11 days ago
Topic:
A different desert

Britain
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Topic: A different desert
Great sunsets! A friend of mine posted some pictures of that statue on FB.
11 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

Britain
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Topic: Rockhouse / Buck Ridge
Nice!
11 days ago
Topic:
A Red Desert

Britain
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Topic: A Red Desert
Awesome!
11 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

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Topic: Rockhouse / Buck Ridge
surfponto wrote:
Looks like a great trip..
How were the night time temperatures?

High 50's I believe...day temps were low 80's, warmer than expected.
11 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

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Topic: Rockhouse / Buck Ridge
Looks like a great trip..
How were the night time temperatures?
11 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse / Buck Ridge

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Did a 4 day backpack a few weeks ago out to Rockhouse Valley. Did a big loop up thru Rockhouse cyn, over to Mojave then over to the Cotton woods. Dropped down into Alder and then followed the Buck Ridge line before dropping down into Jackass Flat. Mostly did spring cleaning.

Cowboy spring before


After


Barrel cleanup


Nicholias needed lots of brush cut back and an improvised spout


Birdhouse


Sleeping setup with a view of Rockhouse Valley


Sunrise


View of Jackass from Buck Ridge


Buck Ridge register...kinda lonely






Total Mylar Balloons this trip - 10
11 days ago
Topic:
A Red Desert

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Very nice....envious....
11 days ago
Topic:
A different desert

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Nice....has been awhile since I have been to DV.
11 days ago
Topic:
Pinyon Valley Road Condition?

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Topic: Pinyon Valley Road Condition?
Not sure about current conditions for that road but you are correct about many roads this year seem to be much more sandy.
11 days ago
Topic:
Red Hill

Buford
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Topic: Red Hill
Nice. I have yet to hit Red Hill.

Any idea how many sheep DFG was able to tag?
11 days ago
Topic:
Moan Benchmark and I found a roasting pit.

Buford
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I think I saw that pit on the way up Moan.

The Groan benchmark on the topo map is mislabeled "Moan" on the ground.
11 days ago
Topic:
A Red Desert

Buford
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Topic: A Red Desert
In early fall we visited the four corners area.

Chaco was cold and clear:


It's too bad they have to put so many restrictions on hiking in the area. Too many looters.



The masonry was better than home:



Rock art everywhere, people on this forum would love it:


RIP Bears Ears:


Pictures do Valley of the Gods no justice:


There was wildlife in many places:




Atop the water pocket fold:


Zionesque but with no people:


Arches are everywhere, RIP Staircase/Escalante:


Those early settlers were tough, no modern vehicle is going down Hole-in-the-Rock anytime soon:


Slots:




A fun week in a very different desert.
11 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

Buford
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dsefcik wrote:
Last I heard there were pretty sandy conditions in that area and others. I would check in with the VC before driving a Fit down that way....however I once saw a Fit parked up at the Telescope Peak trailhead, never would have guessed that!



It is funny you mentioned that. I was just putting up some pictures from DVNP in a different report. I saw a Honda Fit, Honda Odyssey and a Hyundai Elantra at Telescope a couple weeks ago.
11 days ago
Topic:
A different desert

Buford
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Topic: A different desert
I was really disappointed I missed out on a planned trip exploring Borrego with some others in mid November. In late November I got to make up for it some with a trip to DVNP.

Saw some of the tourist things and got off the beaten path as well.

Sunsets were nice:



So were sunrises:



Low points:



High Points:



The weird:




The lonely road:




Someone was here before us:



I can’t wait to hit the desert again

edited to add the pictures.

edited by Buford on 12/5/2017
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11 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

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Last I heard there were pretty sandy conditions in that area and others. I would check in with the VC before driving a Fit down that way....however I once saw a Fit parked up at the Telescope Peak trailhead, never would have guessed that!
11 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

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Usually you can get a passenger car to Desert Gardens or maybe 2nd crossing. From there it is ~4.5 miles into some of the west side canyons with water.

I don’t know what the road conditions are this year. The road got hit by a flash flood in September and might be worse than normal. Usually the volunteers and Rangers at the visitor center are overly cautious with their road reports.

I plan on hitting the area sometime this winter to explore.

Backpacking or biking in would expand your range.
11 days ago
Topic:
Pinyon Valley Road Condition?

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Has anyone been on this road to Whale Peak trail head or nearby? Curious as to the road condition. Many of the roads this year that use to be 2wd friendly were covered in deep sand due to the heavy rains.
12 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

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You could do as ziphius says, I have done a partial of that route. I am not sure how much any route would be for a day hike, that is a long way in and out by foot. If you look at the old topo maps on caltopo you will see an old trail from Lost Valley down to "Elder" canyon, you can still follow that route mostly.
12 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

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I always thought it would be fun to drop down into the north fork of Alder Canyon from the west, approaching from Bucksnort Mtn (Comb's Peak) area along the Pacific Crest Trail. But then, I see things on the satellite images (pot farms), which makes me think more than twice.
13 days ago
Topic:
Exploring Coyote Canyon w/o 4wd or High Clearance

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I've never had a vehicle with 4wd or high clearance but still like to try and explore remote areas of the park, even if that means hiking a few extra miles.

I'm interested in exploring Lower, Middle, and Upper Willows in Coyote Canyon, as well as some of the canyons/valleys north or west of them. Could folks recommend some spots that would get me and my Honda Fit close enough to dayhike into some of these spots? How far north could I make it on Horse Camp Road? Also, are there good places to approach these canyons from the north (like going to the town of Anza and heading south?).

thanks!
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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Great trip report and excellent photography as usual. I'll put that hiking area on my list. Getting ready for my first desert trip this season. Cheers!
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

tekewin
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Awesome trip! What a find that owl is.
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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We found a similar can on the R@R service trail. If so it's an old one. Along the hill, there were old rusted remains of stuff scattered about. I guess it could have been used for coffee, original shape was round. Someone a long time ago was looking for gems or something. I didnt see any dugouts.
Heres the trail I found to the roasting pit. You can slightly see it on the culvert side.


The roasting pit the trail ended at.
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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tommy750 wrote:
Britain wrote:
Went up the Jacumba Jim Canyon today. Went as far as where you guys left and went up to McCain. I think the owl is a Burrowing owl, I seen one in the water area. I also found a Montero with a stone in it, not yours. Found a well-defined trail leading up a northern facing wash which led straight to a roasting pit. Found an old can up on the north side rocks. Wonder if someone lived here a while back. Certainly got cooler closer to the McCain exit. And yes the soft sand in Carrizo is a mess!

edited by Britain on 11/29/2017




You went all the way up to McCain? Did you veer to the south and end up by those dirt roads/trails? Looks a little bouldery through there smile Looks like a nice canyon to explore.

No I stopped about where you guys left the canyon after the last palms. I'll probably be back before the season ends.
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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Britain wrote:
Went up the Jacumba Jim Canyon today. Went as far as where you guys left and went up to McCain. I think the owl is a Burrowing owl, I seen one in the water area. I also found a Montero with a stone in it, not yours. Found a well-defined trail leading up a northern facing wash which led straight to a roasting pit. Found an old can up on the north side rocks. Wonder if someone lived here a while back. Certainly got cooler closer to the McCain exit. And yes the soft sand in Carrizo is a mess!

edited by Britain on 11/29/2017




You went all the way up to McCain? Did you veer to the south and end up by those dirt roads/trails? Looks a little bouldery through there smile Looks like a nice canyon to explore.
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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dsefcik wrote:
Britain wrote:
And yes the soft sand in Carrizo is a mess!

Coffee pot? Yeah, deep sand in CG right now


Looks like it perhaps was being used to transport water. Found a bunch of the 2X2 by 4 ft long wooden square stakes up on the northern hill. Cool place anyway.
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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tommy750 wrote:
So Daren, millions of animal pooping in the desert and you alone spot the Kit Kat scat AND the shoe lace scat?? Scat Skill Level 3000 for sure!
Thumbs Up

poop fascinates me...tells a story like no other......
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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Britain wrote:
And yes the soft sand in Carrizo is a mess!

Coffee pot? Yeah, deep sand in CG right now
17 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

Britain
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Went up the Jacumba Jim Canyon today. Went as far as where you guys left and went up to McCain. I think the owl is a Burrowing owl, I seen one in the water area. I also found a Montero with a stone in it, not yours. Found a well-defined trail leading up a northern facing wash which led straight to a roasting pit. Found an old can up on the north side rocks. Wonder if someone lived here a while back. Certainly got cooler closer to the McCain exit. And yes the soft sand in Carrizo is a mess!

edited by Britain on 11/29/2017
18 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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dsefcik wrote:
Nice photos Tom....all I have to add is the coyote scat with shoelace



Total mylar balloons this trip - 7



So Daren, millions of animal pooping in the desert and you alone spot the Kit Kat scat AND the shoe lace scat?? Scat Skill Level 3000 for sure!
18 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

ziphius
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Whoops, I didn't look carefully enough, the eye and beak are obviously still present. My quick initial look I'd thought the head was missing! smile

dsefcik wrote:
ziphius wrote:
Looks like you got yourself a headless barn owl there! Looks like a fun trip, nice to find the mortero and grinding stone still paired after all those years.
What is the difference between a headless and regular barn owl? When examined, his/her wing was broken but hard to tel if it was pre/post death.
18 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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Owls are pretty much bad arse, wonder what took it down?
18 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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ziphius wrote:
Looks like you got yourself a headless barn owl there! Looks like a fun trip, nice to find the mortero and grinding stone still paired after all those years.
What is the difference between a headless and regular barn owl? When examined, his/her wing was broken but hard to tel if it was pre/post death.
18 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

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was resting up looking for a way over that waterfall, wife says I got this and was up on top before I could get up. Competition.

edited by Britain on 11/28/2017
18 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

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Topic: Mountain Springs to Juniper springs
Seems like a popular place lately...I was also just out in that area a couple weeks ago.

Nice TR, thanks for sharing.
19 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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Britain wrote:
Is there a map showing 4 frogs and Jims? I see gps tracks but no call outs.


Jerry Schad's book has a similar hike looping from the top down and gives brief descriptions of the canyons as I recall. Four Frogs is right across from East Fork and Jacumba Jim is about 1.2 miles south. Have fun.
19 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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Is there a map showing 4 frogs and Jims? I see gps tracks but no call outs.
19 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

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I have seen the other pictures of yours at the second palm grove. I think looking from the bottom up just shows the boulders. I was pretty disappointed with the weather. We planned for 2 months to get up to the valley on top of the second palm grove. It's always cool to see water in the desert. Seen a lot last year following the R&R service trail. Some of it was coming out of the hills on the east side. We were up in VOM about 5 years ago and there was about a foot of snow. I'll make a trip to VOM the near future, I still want to see if its possible to come down somewhere around peak 4004 back into Myers and out. The boulder hopping cant be much worse than going up! I may need to do this in a couple overnighters. My age is catching up with me.
19 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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The picture of Gary above Carrizo, I've pretty much hiked everything in the canyon that's going east. Haven't done anything on the west side. May go up the one you guys did tomorrow. Looks like a great hike.
19 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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Nice photos Tom....all I have to add is the coyote scat with shoelace



Total mylar balloons this trip - 7
19 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

ziphius
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Looks like you got yourself a headless barn owl there! Looks like a fun trip, nice to find the mortero and grinding stone still paired after all those years.
19 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

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As previously mentioned, was planning a three day BP trip to Boulder/Myer/Pinto Canyons but the weather wasn't cooperative. Daren suggested car camping and day hikes to side canyons off Carrizo Canyon. So, met up with Daren, Gary and Joel for some old fashion car camping and hiking. Was in the high 80's for the entire weekend but nice and cool in the evenings. Pretty sandy in Carrizo Wash at present and the 4x4 only sign is probably correct. We began at Rockhouse and worked our way up canyon. At an occupation site, I (okay, it was really the DStretch app on my phone) found some faint pictos. Lots of nice prehistory to explore.

On the way out looking toward McCain Valley from near Sweeney Pass:

McCain Valley by tomteske, on Flickr

In Rockhouse:

P1030547_yxx by tomteske, on Flickr

Mortero y Mano by tomteske, on Flickr

Rockhouse Morteros by tomteske, on Flickr

Third Eye Blind by tomteske, on Flickr

The next day we did a loop hike up Jacumba Jim Canyon to a south tributary of Four Frogs Canyon. Encountered water and a nice palm grove. Made a steep ascent out of Jacumba Jim and passed east of Al Holden Pk before descending into Four Frogs. Daren and Gary hiked down the ridge south of the canyon encountering a bunch of roasting pits while my knees told me the sandy wash was a better option.

Water in Jacumba Jim before the first large palm grove:

Water in Jacumba Jim by tomteske, on Flickr

Looking up Jacumba Jim:

Up Jacumba Jim Canyon by tomteske, on Flickr

Occupation site:

Mortero by tomteske, on Flickr

Ascending out of Jacumba Jim:

Gary and Daren Above Jacumba Jim Canyon by tomteske, on Flickr

The view from above. The confluence of Four Frogs, East Fork and Carrizo is a little to the left of the center:

Gary Above Carrizo by tomteske, on Flickr

On Sunday we headed up East Fork to Carrizo Palms. Three sheep skeletons and one owl were encountered along the way. Almost 20 miles, 4K gain/loss and a few beverage in all. Enjoy! Tom

East Fork Owl by tomteske, on Flickr

Garras Afilados Tecolote by tomteske, on Flickr
edited by tommy750 on 11/27/2017
19 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

tommy750
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Here's a pic near the lower grove with water in Jan 2006:

pictures 001 by tomteske, on Flickr

This is what's on top of the second grove looking south toward Pk 4004:

pictures 011 by tomteske, on Flickr

A couple pics from atop Pk 4004. A great hike the way you went or from Valley of the Moon. Wouldn't mind doing it again some time! Tom

336 by tomteske, on Flickr

302 by tomteske, on Flickr
20 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

rockhopper
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Nice trip report. Planning to get out to the desert soon. BTW I had a 3 day back pack in the 90+Deg. temps. in full Sun. I brought 3 Gals. of H20. I ran out after 2 days and had to head back.
20 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

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Usually, carry a powder hydrator that we mix into a water bottle, forgot the bottle. Wife was a bit pissed about that. Went through 5.5 ltrs of water with .25 left when we got back to the jeep.
20 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

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Pretty much bone dry. Guess if you dig around you might come up with some water. That's some rocky stuff on the right. Couple pictures here.
Close up rocky right side
Left side
Upper palm grove. The pictures I've seen are not this rocky. Perhaps an illusion.

20 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

tommy750
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Nice, Britain! Good to see other hikers not afraid of a little 80-90 degree weather smile Was coincidentally planning a three day backpack trip out that way this weekend with Daren and a couple others but the heat and no definite water source made us go day hiking elsewhere. Any water at either of those locations?? Looks kinda dry in the photo of the upper grove. Have seen water at least once in November. Tom
edited by tommy750 on 11/26/2017
20 days ago
Topic:
Mountain Springs to Juniper springs

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Bit warm out in the mid 90's. Made it to the Juniper, 3 miles 2.5 hrs. Will be faster next time around.

Storm Drain

Canyon after boulder creek.

First rock waterfall.

Wife made short work of it.
Making final to grove. Enjoying the shade. Had lunch poked about. We got a late start and went through a lot of our water supply to get to the second grove. The palms were burned.

edited by Britain on 11/26/2017
11/9/2017
Topic:
Indian roasting pits and Yoni's

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Admin, please delete this thread, it is redundant.
11/9/2017
Topic:
Indian roasting pits and Yoni's

tommy750
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Toward the end of this thread there's a discussion of my take on yonis: http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic1183-jacumba-and-table-mountain-exploration.aspx
At the time, I hadn't read Heather Thomsen's thesis but she joined the discussion (outnabout) and forwarded me a copy as promised. Yonis in Anza Borrego is an appealing concept just lacking evidence IMHO
11/9/2017
Topic:
Moan Benchmark and I found a roasting pit.

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rockhopper wrote:
According to Marshal South's book. Marshal and his family were using roasting pits in the 1940's in and around Ghost mountain. He went on to say that the roasted Agave hearts were very tasty. Wonder how old your find was?


I found that roasting pit getting off of Moan. About 100 ft down on the west side I came across a trail running horizontally. The north end going up south going down. Downward took me straight into the roasting pit. I would guess because most of it is on the surface, erosion would remove them in short time. That one was being used over and over. They dumped the old ash about 10 ft away. I didn't follow or look into the trail, it wasn't going in the direction I wanted. I should have spent a little time looking into it. Perhaps in the future, I might. It's really steep, slippery and full of cactus.
11/9/2017
Topic:
Moan Benchmark and I found a roasting pit.

rockhopper
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According to Marshal South's book. Marshal and his family were using roasting pits in the 1940's in and around Ghost mountain. He went on to say that the roasted Agave hearts were very tasty. Wonder how old your find was?
11/4/2017
Topic:
Moan Benchmark and I found a roasting pit.

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dsefcik wrote:
Nice roasting pit...amazing how many there are out there...


Thanks to you I've got my eye open for them.
11/4/2017
Topic:
Moan Benchmark and I found a roasting pit.

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Topic: Moan Benchmark and I found a roasting pit.
Nice roasting pit...amazing how many there are out there...
11/3/2017
Topic:
Samurai Surprise...Hit and Run

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We’ll keep an eye out for you! That was a lot of work and it’ll be worth it.
11/3/2017
Topic:
Red Hill

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Topic: Red Hill
tekewin wrote:
That's a fun hill with red volcanic rocks. What a zoom you must have on your camera. I went back and looked at my photos from the summit and McCain was a fuzzy ridge. Definitely peanut butter and jealous of that camera set up. Thanks for posting.

Sometimes all the glass I tote around for the camera makes hiking a bit of a journey.
11/3/2017
Topic:
Red Hill

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Topic: Red Hill
That's a fun hill with red volcanic rocks. What a zoom you must have on your camera. I went back and looked at my photos from the summit and McCain was a fuzzy ridge. Definitely peanut butter and jealous of that camera set up. Thanks for posting.
11/3/2017
Topic:
Moan Benchmark and I found a roasting pit.

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Tagged the Moan Benchmark today. I came up from the Indian Hill area and went down the west side of Moan to the R&R service road and out. About 200 ft down I came across a clean trail. Think a sheep trail so I followed it down to a flat area. Here's where the roasting pit was. You could smell the ash. Found 2 roasting pits.


Roasting pit. This was a really steep area. A small flat area and the pit. The trail did not go any farther in the direction I was heading ..down.

11/1/2017
Topic:
Red Hill

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Topic: Red Hill
Took in an early morning hike up to Red Hill. Took the car and parked off S2. Some helicopters flying about.




Some notes in the bottle on top.



Took 100-400mmthe and snapped some of the wind turbines over at McCain.



Another 100-400mm shot. Hey, what are all those trucks doing around my car! Some trouble a brewing?




No, its only fish and game. They were out tagging and adding the tracking devices to the big horn sheep, at least to the ones they could chase down.

11/1/2017
Topic:
Heads Up for the Railroad tracks in the Gorge

railexplorer
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Sorry, I should've clarified that. The cables are strung across the tracks (From hand railing to hand railing). I'm not sure what that is supposed to do. They won't stop people from walking on the trestle. I would guess the cables were put up to stop people from crossing the trestle, by motorized means.
11/1/2017
Topic:
Goat Canyon Trestle

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I thought someone posted a similar picture before...I remember trying to pan around google earth to find the same spot but no luck.....
11/1/2017
Topic:
Heads Up for the Railroad tracks in the Gorge

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railexplorer wrote:
There are cables across both sides of the Goat Canyon Trestle. I'm not sure what those are supposed to do but they're up. Finally

What does that mean exactly?
Thanks for the update, have been meaning to get out there..almost went last weekend.
10/31/2017
Topic:
Heads Up for the Railroad tracks in the Gorge

railexplorer
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With the desert season opening up I just wanted to give everyone a heads up/ update regarding the railroad. The PIR is no more. Baja Railroad has bought out the lease of the Desert Line. Whether this group actually gets the line up and running is questionable, but there are some recent changes in the gorge.

A Hi-rail truck has been spotted on the tracks between Dos Cabezas and the Goat Canyon trestle. Due to the enormous rock fall on the North end of the tunnel 16 (the tunnel on the North side of the trestle), and the numerous rockfalls and derailed cars at Dubbers there are no vehicles running on the line between Jacumba and the trestle. (It is rumored that vehicles could drive around the derailment at Dubbers, but that is opened to debate.) There are cables across both sides of the Goat Canyon Trestle. I'm not sure what those are supposed to do but they're up. Finally it is rumored that BJRR is considering closing the tunnels. The northern and southern tunnels have gates on their respective ends. Although if memory serves me correct the southern tunnel's gates are on the ground.

I have not heard of any law enforcement out in the gorge.
10/31/2017
Topic:
Goat Canyon Trestle

cercidium
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great find! i particularly like the painters interpretation of the gorge.
10/31/2017
Topic:
Goat Canyon Trestle

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I was browsing through the digital archives here at UCSD and found this old postcard depicting Carrizo Gorge and the trestle.



InscriptionCalifornia's Newest Scenic Marvel, traversed by the San Diego and Arizona Railway which also passes through the garden of Imperial Valley, that remarkable land below sea level, as fertile as the Valley of the Nile, and through that peaceful portion of scenic Mexico - Lower California, affording a novel experience not to be had on any other trans-continental journey.

edited by surfponto on 10/31/2017
10/30/2017
Topic:
Memorials in the Park

rockhopper
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dsefcik wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
Daren, Tommy and the crew. I found these burial mounds east of the Santa Rosas on a trail heading down to the ancient Lake Cahuilla shoreline.
Working on posting pic with new photo hosting#%@!
I saw them with the link...interesting, they looked like they had been dug up



Daren, I am still struggling with my new hosting service as you can see. I am pretty old school so it takes awhile to figure the new photo sizing.
Anyway, here they are. Yes one of the 3 burial mounds was dug up. Why? I've only seen these in a few places around ABDSP and both times at least one was "disturbed". The first pic is the undisturbed one. These were found about halfway between the Ancient Lake Cahuilla shore line to the East and the Ancient mountain springs to the east.

Burial mound with unearthed mound behind.


This piece of pottery nearby shows an incluse and painted design. Meaning?
10/30/2017
Topic:
Memorials in the Park

dsefcik
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rockhopper wrote:
Daren, Tommy and the crew. I found these burial mounds east of the Santa Rosas on a trail heading down to the ancient Lake Cahuilla shoreline.
Working on posting pic with new photo hosting#%@!
I saw them with the link...interesting, they looked like they had been dug up
10/30/2017
Topic:
Memorials in the Park

rockhopper
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Daren, Tommy and the crew. I found these burial mounds east of the Santa Rosas on a trail heading down to the ancient Lake Cahuilla shoreline.
Working on posting pic with new photo hosting#%@!



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