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3 days ago
Topic:
iPhone 12 Video

Rocko1
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dsefcik wrote:
I just remember years back during a Badwater run the DV park rangers pulled over my car crew and harassed them for over an hour because they had a small handheld consumer video camera they were using to record portions of my run. They claimed they needed all kinds of permits to record ANYTHING in the park but eventually they convinced them it was not for commercial purposes but what a total PITA ....



Whoa-that seems very excessive. Pretty easy to tell consumer camcorder from pro equipment-especially during a race!
3 days ago
Topic:
iPhone 12 Video

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I just remember years back during a Badwater run the DV park rangers pulled over my car crew and harassed them for over an hour because they had a small handheld consumer video camera they were using to record portions of my run. They claimed they needed all kinds of permits to record ANYTHING in the park but eventually they convinced them it was not for commercial purposes but what a total PITA ....
3 days ago
Topic:
Chariot Mountain

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Topic: Chariot Mountain
Nice trip + photos.
3 days ago
Topic:
iPhone 12 Video

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dsefcik wrote:
Interesting..appreciate you sharing that. Several questions come to mind when I see that....wonder what it takes to pull permits for horses and drones in the park.



Good question. Probably a bunch of forms, release of liability, insurance, etc. Nothing Apples lawyers couldn't handle smile Here is some info I found.
https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=1019
3 days ago
Topic:
iPhone 12 Video

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Interesting..appreciate you sharing that. Several questions come to mind when I see that....wonder what it takes to pull permits for horses and drones in the park.
4 days ago
Topic:
Chariot Mountain

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Topic: Chariot Mountain
Nice trip report. Ditto about the heavy brush. Oriflamme canyon has some great hiking / biking options. Ora"flame" as I call it has had a lot of brush clearing fires over the decades. The new winter growth supports the wildlife population and make hiking easier :-)
4 days ago
Topic:
iPhone 12 Video

Rocko1
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AB was used again for a short video showing off the iPhone 12. Emmanuel Lubezki shot this short. He also was director of photography for the movie Last Days in the Desert that was also filmed in the park. The footage is pretty impressive for a phone.



https://youtu.be/10Frc9f4bMU



Behind the scene

https://youtu.be/3m07zMRXXP0










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edited by Rocko1 on 10/15/2020
edited by Rocko1 on 10/15/2020
6 days ago
Topic:
Chariot Mountain

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Topic: Chariot Mountain
dsefcik wrote:
Yep...all familiar...Gary and I contemplated whacking thru the Hay rd on the way back but the heat and end of day and out of water changed our minds. Thanks for posting some good pics from the top...Thumbs Up

Sure. Your name was the most recent signature on the register when I signed. I see what you meant about crossing horizontal switchbacks going up. Looks like it used to be a more trafficked peak?

The fire break had heavy game usage and came out just down the truck trail from your entrance. It wasn't until I got back that I saw there are two peaks on the topo for this mountain. I wonder why that is.
edited by Rocko1 on 10/12/2020
7 days ago
Topic:
Chariot Mountain

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Topic: Chariot Mountain
Yep...all familiar...Gary and I contemplated whacking thru the Hay rd on the way back but the heat and end of day and out of water changed our minds. Thanks for posting some good pics from the top...Thumbs Up
7 days ago
Topic:
Chariot Mountain

Rocko1
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Topic: Chariot Mountain
Inspired by Daren and cooler weather I hiked to Chariot Mtn. Saturday. Was nice and breezy. Low 60's and partially cloudy. Parked at Pedro Fages turnout and used Mason Valley Truck Trail. A little bush whacking leaving the truck trail but not bad. Used the fire break on the way back down and that was much easier.



Looking west from the peak


Lassator Hay Rd filling in


Looks to be remnants of the hay road going into Oriflamme Canyon


Fire break on left side


View from the top-video
https://imgur.com/FfILqyq

Album
https://imgur.com/a/0EcY3NC

8 miles, 1,400ft gain.
edited by Rocko1 on 10/12/2020
7 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Rocko1 wrote:
Wow! Great find. How old is that plaque?



I think it was placed there in 2009.

Today the pile of stone marking Frank Fox’s grave also has an impressive black marble marker next to it, placed there by unnamed ‘Clampers’, (The Ancient And Honorable Order of E Clampus Vitus), telling the story.
7 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Topic: The Killing of Frank Fox
Wow! Great find. How old is that plaque?
7 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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tommy750 wrote:
Great detective work and great find, Britain!



Thanks wasnt hard once I had some good info. Been out there looking for it for nearly a decade. My family genealogist got interested in the Fox family. She did some research and for what she could find was this.

Frank Fox was born about 1877 in California, USA, maybe in Knights Ferry, Stanislaus County. If this is the correct Frank, with brother, William, then his parents were William M. Fox and Mary.[1]
It appears that Frank and his older brother, William, were trying to get home, to Stanislaus County, California,[2] after a spree of unlawful acts in New Mexico and Maricopa County, Arizona. Frank was shot as an 'alleged horse thief' in 1890 at approximately age 15 [sic: age 13], in Carrizo Creek, Imperial County, California.
Per the diary the Fox brothers were indeed trying to return to California. If the info match is true the Frank Fox was only 13 years old at the time of his death.
7 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Topic: The Killing of Frank Fox
Nice work..!!!
7 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Great trip report thanks
7 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Great detective work and great find, Britain!
7 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Got an early AM start hit the trailhead at 6:45. Temps were 75 with winds from the west. Brought in some smoke but made of an interesting sunrise. And yes the area is still blocked off.

Made quick time covering the 2 miles to the hill adjacent to the ruins. Most of the gloppy swamp stuff was dried from the summer heat so trudging out in it shouldnt be an issue. I stop on the hill to take some pictures in the area I was going to search. Then moved down to the stage ruins. I place a marker on the gps. Only 100 yards Vail said in the diary. I have 2 markers to get alignment, distance and alignment of a few peaks. I fear that it was washed away like so many reports.

Off I went following the trail of excape and death. Lots of brush and some swamp. I wasnt confident I would find anything. I arrived at the crossroads of the alignment at 100 yards. Nothing. I searched around and found a bush and a boulder sticking out. Could this be it? I poked around the bush and more boulder sized rocks.

Someone wrote "hidden in plain site" they didnt mention also off the beaten path. I need to find the plaque. Theres a picture of someone standing next to it on the web. Suns in his face I think so its either on the east or west side so I start suffing my boot about, I'm on the west end of the boulders. Bingo.

Completely buried by the winds of time. Im guessing also most of the burial is covered also. I sat down next to the plaque for a bit. Said a quick prayer for Frank. Headed off and was back at the Jeep at 9am. The burial is still there.
edited by Britain on 10/11/2020
edited by Britain on 10/11/2020
10 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Bingo found it along with the stone burial stie. Will post picture perhaps Sunday.
edited by Britain on 10/11/2020
10 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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tommy750 wrote:
According to this, the grave washed away years ago: https://sandiegohistory.org/collection/davis/op-15362-25/

Would be nice to see if the plaque is still out there. Have been out there a few times but never found it. The OP below is the only article I've seen mentioning the black plaque.


Plaque was seen in 2013. I would guess it could be there. But yes the area does have flooding. I'll look for it today.
10 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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According to this, the grave washed away years ago: https://sandiegohistory.org/collection/davis/op-15362-25/

Would be nice to see if the plaque is still out there. Have been out there a few times but never found it. The OP below is the only article I've seen mentioning the black plaque.
10 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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dsefcik wrote:
Looking thru Lester Reed's book he writes he was killed "about March 1 1886" and he has a picture of a pile of rocks as his grave.



Lesters is off. He died 1890 March 29 per the diary also Find a grave also lists the same. I was first told the gave site is on the hill. I couldnt find it but will look again. Per diary Frank ran about 100 yards following the creek and was shot down and buried there.Another report list 80 yards. I can cover that. I was surprised that Find a Grave even listed it.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/134930620/frank-fox
edited by Britain on 10/8/2020
edited by Britain on 10/8/2020
10 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Looking thru Lester Reed's book he writes he was killed "about March 1 1886" and he has a picture of a pile of rocks as his grave.
10 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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I'm going to go out tomorrow early morning. Nothing else to do. It'll get the creeks out me. The diary some universerty in AZ has it. Most of the newer transcripts I've seen are a bit off. If it doesn't warm up to fast I'll do some badland exploring. Place is known for flash flooding so if it's in the creek area maybe washed away.
11 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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That sounds like it is out of the old timer cattleman's book by frank....(?) I am at work and can't look at the book but can when I get home.
11 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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A local historian sent be an electronic copy of Vails diary. Vail was a cattle hand in the drive in which Frank Fox was killed. Frank was 14 years old.
Vail requested they needed the Fox brothers to complete the drive. On March 29 Saturday Frank made a run and was shot in the back. Vail was upset with the shooting and told the Sheriff " Where could he to go ? Its the desert" I also got the description of where he's buried, Its been a long time so yes are there any rocks or markers left perhaps. Seems like some group placed a brass plaque there.
edited by Britain on 10/8/2020
11 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

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Topic: Mason Valley Truck Trail
dsefcik wrote:
I didn't take any pics from the top...upset

It was the usual dry, hot, dusty PCT Oct experience. Gary and I just poked around with no real agenda and did not know we climbed Chariot Mtn, just followed some old looking game trail and at the top was a pile of odd looking rocks so Gary disassembled them and there was a register...like magic...Thumbs Up


Here is another of what I think is probably the original register book, old dot matrix paper stapled into a small booklet



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Dot matrix paper-perfect for a 1995 register! smile

It's supposed to be cooler this weekend-I may have to check the peak out.
edited by Rocko1 on 10/8/2020
11 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

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Topic: Mason Valley Truck Trail
I didn't take any pics from the top...upset

It was the usual dry, hot, dusty PCT Oct experience. Gary and I just poked around with no real agenda and did not know we climbed Chariot Mtn, just followed some old looking game trail and at the top was a pile of odd looking rocks so Gary disassembled them and there was a register...like magic...Thumbs Up


Here is another of what I think is probably the original register book, old dot matrix paper stapled into a small booklet



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12 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

Rocko1
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Topic: Mason Valley Truck Trail
Any more pictures from the top?
12 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

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Nice TR, Daren. Your trail register pic shows an entry listed in Peakbagger.com and that guy is apparently a pretty badass peakbagger: https://www.peakbagger.com/climber/climber.aspx?cid=711

You get a good view of the Lassater Hay Road just below the summit?
12 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Topic: The Killing of Frank Fox
I have not....have only read about attempts and heard it is just dirt now...but maybe not......
12 days ago
Topic:
The Killing of Frank Fox

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Im digging this back up. Last season I did 2 quick hikes looking for it. So they say upstream from the old stage ruins, along the bank of the creek. Anyone get this yet?
edited by Britain on 10/6/2020
13 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

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Topic: Mason Valley Truck Trail
A little brushy, not bad compared to other trips. From a distance it looked like a good path, up close we lost it and could see faint signs of a zig zag trail but we just went vertical and crossed the zig zag every 50' or so.

Rocko1 wrote:
Nice! I wanted to hit Chariot from the east the times I was by it but it looked like a bush whack to the top. How was it going up?

Also looks like you utilized the Lassator Hay shortcut form the fire road to the PCT. How was that?
13 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

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Topic: Mason Valley Truck Trail
Nice! I wanted to hit Chariot from the east the times I was by it but it looked like a bush whack to the top. How was it going up?

Also looks like you utilized the Lassator Hay shortcut form the fire road to the PCT. How was that?
13 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

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Topic: Mason Valley Truck Trail
The one and only...el unico, el propio...
13 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

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Nice looking trip Daren. Is that lone-hiker?
13 days ago
Topic:
Mason Valley Truck Trail

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Been doing some quick hikes in Cuyamaca / Laguna area, not much but some pretty scenery right now out there. Thought I would share a few pics.









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14 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
Scooter wrote:
Thank you I knew some in this group would know.

If you go please report on the road condition. I am curious how it's held up.
14 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Thank you I knew some in this group would know.
14 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
Scooter wrote:
Does anyone know if Anza Borregos dirt roads are open ? Thinking of going up to Whale and takin Pinyon Mtn road. Thanks in advance Scooter


Yes, they are open. This is from the official web site updated September 20:
What is open now?
The following is open at this park:
  • Backcountry Unpaved Roads
  • Hell Hole Day-use Area: for day-use activities only from sunrise to sunset.
  • Sunrise Trail Head Parking / Day-use Areas
  • Camping (developed and primitive)
  • Dispersed Backcountry Camping
  • Coyote Canyon Above 3rd Crossing
  • North Coyote Canyon / Turkey Track Access Gate
  • Peg Leg Primitive Camping Area
  • Culp Valley Primitive Camping Area
  • Borrego Palm Canyon Full Hookup Campsites
  • Borrego Palm Canyon Day-use (Borrego Palm Canyon Trail Map)
  • Tamarisk Grove Campground Campgrounds
  • Arroyo Salado Primitive Camp
  • Blair Valley Primitive Camp
  • Yaqui Pass Primitive Camp
  • Yaqui Well Primitive Camp
  • Bow Willow Primitive Camp
  • Mt. Palm Springs Primitive Camp
  • Fish Creek Primitive Camp
  • Very limited parking is now available to the public.
15 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
Does anyone know if Anza Borregos dirt roads are open ? Thinking of going up to Whale and takin Pinyon Mtn road. Thanks in advance Scooter
15 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
tekewin wrote:
ziphius wrote:
Great trip report. I still need to explore the Thimble area.



Yes! It's an amazing area. I still have the Hob benchmark to climb near there and I want to spend half a day just exploring Hellhole Flat when it cools off a little. I'm psyched about winter and desert season.
19 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
ziphius wrote:
Great trip report. I still need to explore the Thimble area.



Yes! It's an amazing area. I still have the Hob benchmark to climb near there and I want to spend half a day just exploring Hellhole Flat when it cools off a little. I'm psyched about winter and desert season.
19 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
rockhopper wrote:
Nice trip report and photos. Ditto what Rocko1 said. The hardest moves and most fear is going down with no rope.



This one is not really that bad. No worse than the Thimble as long as you find the best route. The rock is better on the Thimble, though.
19 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
Great trip report. I still need to explore the Thimble area.
19 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
Nice trip report and photos. Ditto what Rocko1 said. The hardest moves and most fear is going down with no rope.
20 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
Great trip. I have really been jonesing to get back to AB. Hard part is deciding my first spot.
22 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
Nice pics. I don't like exposed climbs so this one isn't going on my todo list. But I can appreciate it vicariously.
22 days ago
Topic:
Lookout Knob

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Topic: Lookout Knob
Back in January, I made an attempt on Lookout Knob, a 100' rock spire in Hellhole Flat. I didn't find a way up then so went back for another try.


While there is no easy way to Hellhole Flat, I took Buford's advice to approach from the west. I started on Cherry Canyon Road and went over the saddle south of the Thimble. From there, it was downhill cross country to the base of Lookout Knob. The terrain was not too brushy, but was rippled with a few dry stream crossings. I brought some climbing gear, but found a much better scramble route this time from the northwest and ended up not needing it. There were a couple of exposed class 3 moves and two ledge traverses to reach the top. I placed a register below the summit block in a plastic sandwich box. It was a really nice day, but did get warm on the way back which was mostly uphill. It was 55F in the morning, but about 90F when I got back. Felt great to get back in the desert. 9.3 miles, 7 hours, ~2850' gain. Full report.



Coming down from the saddle below the Thimble


Almost to the base of Lookout Knob


Entrance to northwest scramble route


This was the crux move with a ledge you can't see going left above it


Summit block


Placed a register below the summit block




Heading back




Got a little sloppy on the way back with some unnecessary ridge climbing
29 days ago
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

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There are some interesting blm areas in the mntns. I live down here...I recommend maintaining some elevation for another month.
29 days ago
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

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Great report and photos! I haven't been around the forum much since COVID, but I missed this report back from back in January. I'll add VOM to my hike list based on your great photos.

With most forest areas closed right now, I'm tempted to head back to the desert before temps become comfortable. Might not be a good idea.
9/16/2020
Topic:
Photography

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Went out for a short drive last week. Hot and smokey. Seen some heavy tractor marks and grading out by Indian hill. They added some concrete barriers to keep out the illegal off-roading.
9/16/2020
Topic:
Photography

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Pretty cool timelaspe
9/15/2020
Topic:
Photography

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From earlier this summer when you could actually see the stars through the smoke. Not as happy with this one. Click the image for the timelapse video:


Single image representation:

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9/13/2020
Topic:
Photography

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Thumbs Up
9/11/2020
Topic:
Photography

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Excellent Buford!
9/10/2020
Topic:
Photography

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Very nice time lapse clips!
9/10/2020
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Photography

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A timelapse video from a summer night a while ago. I need to do a better job removing the insect blip early in the sequence:



Sunrise in the summer:

9/9/2020
Topic:
Fish Creek Mountains

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Topic: Fish Creek Mountains
davidwyby wrote:
Just got home from the mountains of CO...why do we live here again?

ask myself everyday...
9/9/2020
Topic:
Fish Creek Mountains

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Just got home from the mountains of CO...why do we live here again?
9/7/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

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cercidium wrote:
thanks for posting these updates, especially the recent satellite view from tommy. was that from a service you subscribe to?


I got the images from caltopo.com. At the bottom of the drop down base layers menu there is a choice for "live satellites" but you have to be a pro member which is about $50/year. I use that site so often I'm happy to give them that amount yearly.

Thanks for the wall update, Cercidium. Looking forward to seeing you pics.
9/6/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

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i forgot to add a link that shows the extend of new border fencing, which you can zoom in on for reasonably detailed information. this map suggests the fence will not be constructed through valley of the moon. it was also clear from mx hwy 2 that the fence is not going to connect the area east of davies valley with the desert floor south of the 98 and ocotillo. they appear to be avoiding the most mountainous stretches of desert.

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system
9/6/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

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thanks for posting these updates, especially the recent satellite view from tommy. was that from a service you subscribe to?

i was curious to see the area up close and decided to drive in to this location on thursday last week via smuggler roads from the mexican side. they've cleared a lot of earth but the fence is still about a mile away as seen in the satellite view seen. the construction crew was pretty freaked out when i walked into what they perceived as their site, telling me i needed to leave the area. i politely informed them, from about 6 feet away and in two distinct countries, that i was in mexico and the rules set forth by the u.s. gov't did not apply to the earth i was standing on. they were perplexed by this, and said they were going to detain me (and on it went). needless to say, the border patrol arrived and there were no arrests that day.

i'm happy to share photos but it appears they need to be uploaded from a url. if there are alternate ways to do this please let me know.
9/5/2020
Topic:
The Potrero

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Topic: The Potrero
Every once in a while, someone illegally drives a jeep trail back into the Potrero and that is annoying. I enjoy the place and plan on spending Election 2020 week back there with no outside contacts and no idea of what is going on. See this story: https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/nov/14/stringers-who-won-election-clinton-or-trump/

The key is to camp far away from any water sources so that 1) the animals can enjoy it at night and 2) your chances of running into someone are greatly diminished. I'll admit to having camped right next to water sources in the past, it's something I don't do any more. A few northbound travelers use the saddle route between Canebrake and The Potrero, I've found their discarded carpet slippers and snack containers. Camp off the beaten path and you likely will see no one.
edited by ziphius on 9/5/2020
9/5/2020
Topic:
The Potrero

tommy750
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tommy750
tommy750
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Topic: The Potrero
sddarkman619 wrote:
Ziphius, the unwanted 4x4 traffic, were they stupid drunk people? Did they cause any issues? or did they leave?
Possibly taking my Daughter out for her first BP trip and hearing this makes me wonder if I should be concerned.


I know there's others on this forum who've been out in Potrero many more times than I have but during the dozen or so times I've been out there for day hikes and BP trips I've seen people three times, a couple people poking around a cultural site and two groups of hunters. Think it would be a great first backpacking trip choice.
edited by tommy750 on 9/5/2020
9/5/2020
Topic:
The Potrero

tommy750
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tommy750
tommy750
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Topic: The Potrero
Rocko1 wrote:
I didn't know there was a spring back there. Is it still viable?


I along with these froggies can attest it's quite viable as of a few weeks ago.
IMG_4602 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_4627 by tomteske, on Flickr
9/4/2020
Topic:
The Potrero

Rocko1
Rocko1
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Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 350
Topic: The Potrero
I didn't know there was a spring back there. Is it still viable?
9/3/2020
Topic:
The Potrero

sddarkman619
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Posts: 153
sddarkman619
sddarkman619
Posts: 153
Topic: The Potrero
Ziphius, the unwanted 4x4 traffic, were they stupid drunk people? Did they cause any issues? or did they leave?
Possibly taking my Daughter out for her first BP trip and hearing this makes me wonder if I should be concerned.
8/29/2020
Topic:
Fish Creek Mountains

Britain
Britain
Posts: 488
Britain
Britain
Posts: 488
Topic: Fish Creek Mountains
davidwyby wrote:
Placeholder for a trip report...last winter I hiked in a mining trail from the S. to a few mines, and once from the N, but did not reach mines.


I will upload pictures later, remind me if I forget. @britain

I want to explore more to the Western parts of the area this winter, as well as the Coyote mntns. I have an itch for the off-trail, less traveled places.


For now, it's the Santa Rosas and hopefully San Jacinto for the first time by way of Marion soon.


Good stuff waiting David.
8/28/2020
Topic:
Fish Creek Mountains

rockhopper
rockhopper
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rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 538
Topic: Fish Creek Mountains
Second the notion of the Mountains. That's what the Cahuilla did! San Jacinto via Marion is a neat route. Didn't bring my ol' 35mm SLR on that trip. It's a more gradual climb as I remember. You can stop at the top of the granite monolith opposing mighty Tahquitz.
8/27/2020
Topic:
Fish Creek Mountains

davidwyby
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Placeholder for a trip report...last winter I hiked in a mining trail from the S. to a few mines, and once from the N, but did not reach mines.


I will upload pictures later, remind me if I forget. @britain


I want to explore more to the Western parts of the area this winter, as well as the Coyote mntns. I have an itch for the off-trail, less traveled places.


For now, it's the Santa Rosas and hopefully San Jacinto for the first time by way of Marion soon.
8/26/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
There was another closer to the border per a BP buddy.
8/26/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

tommy750
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Heard BLM already towed them. Three? I only remember two, the blue Chevy Blazer and the grey/maroon ?Nissan.
8/26/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
I wish I could get BLM to let me into Davies to get the 3 abandoned vehicles out.
8/26/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

Britain
Britain
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All things come to past. Wonder how much destruction will be caused from the wall running it from Davis to VOM?
8/25/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

tommy750
tommy750
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Spent about 45 minutes today talking with a BP agent regarding desert hiking and he said the wall was already being built in Davies Valley and possibly Valley of The Moon. Couldn't really believe this was happening but I was wrong. Here's satellite imaging from two days ago and four months ago. Have to admit, Davies Valley was one of the most serene and placid places I've ever hiked, but not anymore. Valley of The Moon doesn't look like it's been touched---yet.
ezgif.com-gif-maker by tomteske, on Flickr
8/21/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

davidwyby
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Posts: 38
The map showed 10 miles...people's fitbit watches were showing 16-18 miles...almost all rockhopping or sand.
8/21/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

Britain
Britain
Posts: 488
That was a good hike David. Thanks for the share.
8/20/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

tommy750
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Have hiked out to Peak 4004 a few times along with Davies and Pinto but never that route. Looks like fun. Great TR. Thanks
8/19/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 538
Nice Cross country expedition and photos. Can't wait till lower temps in "our back yard". Meanwhile coastal hikes will have to do. It's hot here too. I'm sweating buckets! Stay safe.
8/18/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
It's been a few months now. I'd say maybe rabbit size. Too big for rat...too small for Coyote. Maybe too small for badger. Note claw dig marks to right side.
8/18/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

ziphius
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Good-looking trip! What was the diameter, roughly, of those burrows? I see some kangaroo rat tail drag marks outside the burrows. The 'exhaust' clearing is interesting. Sometimes quail will create similar dustbath circles in dirt, but this looks more like gravel. Have also seen smaller clearings created by desert sidewinders in gravelly substrate.
8/18/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 350
Rocko1
Rocko1
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Topic: Oriflame Mountain
davidwyby wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
davidwyby wrote:
Glamis recovery by david wyby, on Flickr

edited by davidwyby on 8/17/2020

There were some pretty gnarly ruts on some sections of that jeep road about halfway from the S2 to the first rusted truck. I assume those are still there.




Yes, but I have been a gnarly offroader for 20 years before getting into hiking ;-)


Ha, awesome. I suggest when things cool down and after a rain-a trip from there down to the floor by Salt Creek. Really cool.
8/18/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Topic: Oriflame Mountain
Rocko1 wrote:
davidwyby wrote:
Glamis recovery by david wyby, on Flickr

edited by davidwyby on 8/17/2020

There were some pretty gnarly ruts on some sections of that jeep road about halfway from the S2 to the first rusted truck. I assume those are still there.




Yes, but I have been a gnarly offroader for 20 years before getting into hiking ;-)
8/18/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Topic: Oriflame Mountain
My trip was very abbreviated. I stopped once I got down to the plateau and looked around the immediate area. No water but evidence of it (moisture) and deer tracks. I think I noticed an area on GE to the N that looked like it had been plowed. I'll get pictures up this evening maybe.
edited by davidwyby on 8/18/2020
8/18/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

Rocko1
Rocko1
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Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 350
Topic: Oriflame Mountain
davidwyby wrote:
Glamis recovery by david wyby, on Flickr

edited by davidwyby on 8/17/2020

There were some pretty gnarly ruts on some sections of that jeep road about halfway from the S2 to the first rusted truck. I assume those are still there.
8/17/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

tommy750
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tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 935
Topic: Oriflame Mountain
I seemed to have overlooked this nice TR, Rocko1. Davidwyby, thanks for bringing it to my attention! Surprised you found any cultural stuff out there just as Gary and I were surprised we found any thing the one time we were out there since BLM allowed the ranchers to plow/drag most of that plateau up there including a nice occupation site. Did you notice any water in Salt Creek or Oriflame Creek when you were out there?
8/17/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
That's about half the pictures. Some weren't that interesting and some so as not to disclose locations.
8/17/2020
Topic:
Valley of the Moon to East Davies Valley

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Start at VOM


VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

Puddletop Rock at the base of the scramble down. Lone Pine is also here. Somewhere after here there was a grove of palms and lots of sherds.


VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr


VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

Looks like evidence of vehicle exhaust, but as I remember, was not accessible by vehicle.

VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

Lots of morteros. I believe this was at the intersection of the furthest southern reaching BP Jeep road out of Meyer's valley and the canyon we hiked down.


VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

Next was Tarantula Falls. Had to scramble to get around/down it.

VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

The namesake...note the coincidence of the spider on the spiderco. Looked like he had drowned.

VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

Side canyon had water coming down it. Needs exploring.


VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

A grove getting closer to Davies.

VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

Lo siento


VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

Finally in Davies. At this point we were hoping to set off sensors and get picked up by BP.


VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr


...but we still had to hike across the valley, scramble up (and down the in the dark) the dark ridge that bisects the valley N to S, then across the remainder of the valley to the gate to an awaiting campfire with chili, etc.


VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

VOM to Davies by david wyby, on Flickr

Yours Truly


Billy Goat by david wyby, on Flickr
8/17/2020
Topic:
Resident desert rat

davidwyby
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Posts: 38
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Topic: Resident desert rat
Rocko1 wrote:
Welcome! Would love to hear about some good spots in the Santa Rosas for camping.


Lots of Yellow Post sites to choose from, little side trails with sites.
8/17/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Topic: Oriflame Mountain
Little blingy, I call it the Bro runna, but that's how it was when I got it. I wanted the Icon suspension for the nice ride and the rock rails to keep it straight. I removed the anti sway bar to allow more suspension articulation for traction and ride comfort. I like it but now we are looking to get an RV trailer, so I need to trade it for a truck.
8/17/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Topic: Oriflame Mountain
Glamis recovery by david wyby, on Flickr

edited by davidwyby on 8/17/2020
8/17/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Topic: Oriflame Mountain
A 2007 4runner with a little bit of lift, slightly larger tires, and rock sliders on the sides.


I still need to get Imgur to host pics.
8/17/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

Rocko1
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Rocko1
Rocko1
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Topic: Oriflame Mountain
davidwyby wrote:
I have been driving by that spot for years wondering what's down there. Your post pushed me to go see yesterday evening. I was short on time so just drove down to the "shelf" with the Jeep trail loop. Nearly stepped on a Southern Pacific rattler looking for water in the bottom. Saw some sherds, ruins, deer sign, and lots of quail. Couple old cars (than one is actually a Nash Rambler) I intend to go back and explore further. I'll post pictures later.



Nice. What kind of car/truck do you have?
8/17/2020
Topic:
Oriflame Mountain

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Topic: Oriflame Mountain
I have been driving by that spot for years wondering what's down there. Your post pushed me to go see yesterday evening. I was short on time so just drove down to the "shelf" with the Jeep trail loop. Nearly stepped on a Southern Pacific rattler looking for water in the bottom. Saw some sherds, ruins, deer sign, and lots of quail. Couple old cars (than one is actually a Nash Rambler) I intend to go back and explore further. I'll post pictures later.
8/17/2020
Topic:
Greetings! And um, help?

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Welcome, good luck on your quest.
8/16/2020
Topic:
Greetings! And um, help?

ThatDutchWeirdo
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Posts: 1
Hi all! I was a big time lurker on this forum five or six years ago. I loved reading all the trip reports and seeing photos of the desert. And then for some reason I forgot about this site. (Until the other day, but I'll get to that.)

As a teen, I was introduced to Anza Borrego through several trips organized by a desert lover and visited all the usual sights like 17 Palms, Pumpkin Patch, Carrizo Trestle, Split Mountain, etc. I don't get out there that way much anymore--last time was two years ago when I took a foreign exchange student out to see Font's Point and the sculptures around town. I'd thought about visiting again during the Spring of this year to take some photos, but then Covid and the shutdown happened.... Maybe this winter I'll get out there for some more amateur photography.

But the reason I suddenly remembered this forum is because of DStretch. Recently, my uncle asked me to try and clean up the text on an old Dutch gravestone he wants to read (he's big into genealogy and is trying to trace family trees.) I had taken pictures of it years ago when visiting the area, cleaned them up in Photoshop and made them mostly legible. I've since lost those photos and he's lost the info I sent translating the text.

He recently sent me new photos, thinking I could clean them up again in PS, but the headstone is now far less readable. I tried everything I know with levels and channels, but couldn't make them more readable. I don't know if that's because the headstone is beyond hope, or my modest PS skills weren't up to the task.

That's when I remembered DStretch and wondered if it might coax out more detail. I googled and discovered the iDStetch app and bought that thinking it'd be a good quick solution, but my ancient iPad mini apparently isn't compatible with it. This is gonna sound cheap, but I really don't want to fork out another $50 for the main program just to see if it can do anything with a couple of gravestone photos. And if it doesn't work, I'm then out a total of $70 bucks.

I'm embarrassed that my introduction here involves asking a favor, but would it be okay to post the photos, and would someone here who has DStretch be willing to run them through it real quick just to see if anything pops? Personally, I think it's a lost cause without better pictures, but I don't want to go back to my uncle with that conclusion before I've tried everything I know.

Thanks for reading through my long ramble!
8/13/2020
Topic:
Resident desert rat

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Topic: Resident desert rat
Well, right now winter favorite is probably fish creek mntns due to the remoteness and history. I want to explore the Coyotes more. Summer is Santa Rosa mountains, want to get over to San Jac more - try Marion Mt. I prefer tall shady trees and open forests to brushy areas without shade or oak tree areas with noisy leaves on the ground and lots of bugs.
8/13/2020
Topic:
Imperial Valley Desert Museum

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Like the Museum a lot. We made the gates when I was a kid.
8/13/2020
Topic:
Three Saturdays in Canebrake

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 38
Good stuff.


@tommy750, I am local if you're ever looking for someone to hike with or a backup or whatever.
8/13/2020
Topic:
Salt Creek/Cottonwood Canyon

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 350
davidwyby wrote:
I am terrified of getting Lyme...

Go out and buy Sawyer Permethrin. Treat your shoes, socks, pants, shirt, hat, backpack, etc. Last about 5 weeks. You can also buy concentrated permethrin on Amazon and dilute yourself-note-this is much cheaper but has a slight paint smell, the Sawyer is odorless to me once dry. When you get home do tick check in mirror, take hot shower, etc. Not a huge chance out west of getting it but it is possible and people have contracted it.




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