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5 hours ago
Topic:
6582

Brian
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Topic: 6582
I forgot about that unfortunate former resident of the Hidden Springs metropolitan area.
9 hours ago
Topic:
6582

Rocko1
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Topic: 6582
Was a fun trip for sure. Setting up camp at 4,600ft was a good choice as it broke up the climb into two days. A few more pics.






View from the top-https://imgur.com/kpUUq3D

Hidden Spring had water flowing out of the rock https://imgur.com/KBSZ6a3

On thing being up there really solidified is actually how far away Rabbit and Village look. Knowing how thick the brush can be it seems to be a very daunting task to get to them.


Album https://imgur.com/a/RChvH21
edited by Rocko1 on 1/31/2023
2 days ago
Topic:
6582

surfponto
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The pictures from the top are awesome.
Great job.
2 days ago
Topic:
Any flowers or blooms showing in Anza Borrego yet?

surfponto
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Was nice. Didn't find my phone but we were out early enough so we were able to explore by ourselves.
Quite a display down south.
My wife was really happy that I dragged her along. 😉


edited by surfponto on 1/29/2023
2 days ago
Topic:
6582

dsefcik
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Topic: 6582
I remember the register was buried at the bottom of the cairn in the rocks and was hard to find, I almost gave up looking for it the first time I went there. Perhaps it is still there and just not found.

Nice TR, wish I could have joined you.
3 days ago
Topic:
6582

Brian
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Topic: 6582
Buford wrote:
Nice. Going up the gentler Rockhouse approach must take some of the sting out of that final climb. Still, no way it is easy. Is Rockhouse longer mileage wise?

Was the register there? It was in 2019 when I did 6582, but the recent report from Tekewin indicates it disappeared.


I think the mileage would be about the same as the traditional route IF one's vehicle could make it to the road end (which is pretty screwed up right now - we didn't see any evidence of recent tire tracks for about the last 1.5 miles). Since I parked in my usual spot at the Rockhouse/Butler split, our route was 6 miles longer than the traditional route (but those extra miles are essentially road walking).

We didn't find any register. We might have spent more time looking if not for the persistent blasts of cold wind that were encouraging us to get on our way.
3 days ago
Topic:
6582

Buford
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Buford
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Topic: 6582
Nice. Going up the gentler Rockhouse approach must take some of the sting out of that final climb. Still, no way it is easy. Is Rockhouse longer mileage wise?

Was the register there? It was in 2019 when I did 6582, but the recent report from Tekewin indicates it disappeared.
3 days ago
Topic:
6582

Brian
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Brian
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Topic: 6582
Thanks Scooter, nice to see you here again.
3 days ago
Topic:
6582

Scooter
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Topic: 6582
Great trip report !! That is one tough hike. You have to really love the desert to climb Dawns. Great job. Nice pictures
Have done Dawns as a day hike and overnight. Not sure I could do the day hike again. Thanks for the report.
3 days ago
Topic:
Any flowers or blooms showing in Anza Borrego yet?

surfponto
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Agreed.
Saw a total of 3 people the whole day but I am sure this weekend will be busy.
Heading out early today for phone search and to show my wife the flowers 🌸🌻
Will keep everyone posted
Bob

Buford wrote:
surfponto wrote:
Buford wrote:
Things have been blooming since November from the fall rains. Lots of verbena, primrose, poppies, and desert sunflowers. It looked like the winter bloom was actually winding down a couple weeks ago with stuff going to seed. Spring bloom may just be getting growing. Everything was green a couple weeks ago. Despite all the rain in the city, not sure how much made it to the desert floor. Don’t know how good spring will be.


Great thanks,
Just got back from the southern area and there were a lot of Sand Verbena, primrose in some of the washes.
Unfortunately i lost my phone with all my pictures near the Vallecito Creek turn off on my way out. 😫

it was a crazy trip, saw two overturned 18-wheelers off the 8 near the Tecate divide on my way out and then dropped into Ocotillo to find hundreds of semis parked along the S2 waiting out the wind.
Going to head out again tomorrow for another phone search but I think it is futile at this point.



Windy!

Yeah, the verbena and primrose were still strong. The sunflowers and daisy's and other items had mainly already gone to seed a couple weeks ago in some of the washes I was in. Flowers are nice, flowergeddon is not.
3 days ago
Topic:
6582

Brian
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Brian
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Topic: 6582
Last year I was doing a hike of the plateaus above Clark Lake and I descended the ridge that Schad recommends as an approach for a hike to Dawn's. The whole way down that steep ridge, I kept thinking "this is the last thing I'd want to be doing after summiting Dawn's." After some good advice from Sicco Rood, I decided the Rockhouse Canyon approach would be viable for me. I knew I could make it to a base camp at the base of the ridge. I wasn't fully convinced of my ability to make it up that final ridge until I was actually up there. Rocko1 improved on my game plan by coming up with a base camp part way up the ridge, meaning we would "only" have to climb 2000' on the morning of day 2. That helped a lot.


Pre-dawn view of a snowy Toro as seen from base camp. We had originally planned this trip for the previous weekend, but delayed it due to weather. Good call!


Our accommodations.





Climbing (I can't get any pics of Rocko1 climbing since he's always ahead).




The views.





edited by Brian on 1/27/2023
4 days ago
Topic:
Any flowers or blooms showing in Anza Borrego yet?

Buford
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surfponto wrote:
Buford wrote:
Things have been blooming since November from the fall rains. Lots of verbena, primrose, poppies, and desert sunflowers. It looked like the winter bloom was actually winding down a couple weeks ago with stuff going to seed. Spring bloom may just be getting growing. Everything was green a couple weeks ago. Despite all the rain in the city, not sure how much made it to the desert floor. Don’t know how good spring will be.


Great thanks,
Just got back from the southern area and there were a lot of Sand Verbena, primrose in some of the washes.
Unfortunately i lost my phone with all my pictures near the Vallecito Creek turn off on my way out. 😫

it was a crazy trip, saw two overturned 18-wheelers off the 8 near the Tecate divide on my way out and then dropped into Ocotillo to find hundreds of semis parked along the S2 waiting out the wind.
Going to head out again tomorrow for another phone search but I think it is futile at this point.



Windy!

Yeah, the verbena and primrose were still strong. The sunflowers and daisy's and other items had mainly already gone to seed a couple weeks ago in some of the washes I was in. Flowers are nice, flowergeddon is not.
4 days ago
Topic:
Any flowers or blooms showing in Anza Borrego yet?

surfponto
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Buford wrote:
Things have been blooming since November from the fall rains. Lots of verbena, primrose, poppies, and desert sunflowers. It looked like the winter bloom was actually winding down a couple weeks ago with stuff going to seed. Spring bloom may just be getting growing. Everything was green a couple weeks ago. Despite all the rain in the city, not sure how much made it to the desert floor. Don’t know how good spring will be.


Great thanks,
Just got back from the southern area and there were a lot of Sand Verbena, primrose in some of the washes.
Unfortunately i lost my phone with all my pictures near the Vallecito Creek turn off on my way out. 😫

it was a crazy trip, saw two overturned 18-wheelers off the 8 near the Tecate divide on my way out and then dropped into Ocotillo to find hundreds of semis parked along the S2 waiting out the wind.
Going to head out again tomorrow for another phone search but I think it is futile at this point.
6 days ago
Topic:
Any flowers or blooms showing in Anza Borrego yet?

Buford
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Things have been blooming since November from the fall rains. Lots of verbena, primrose, poppies, and desert sunflowers. It looked like the winter bloom was actually winding down a couple weeks ago with stuff going to seed. Spring bloom may just be getting growing. Everything was green a couple weeks ago. Despite all the rain in the city, not sure how much made it to the desert floor. Don’t know how good spring will be.
6 days ago
Topic:
Any flowers or blooms showing in Anza Borrego yet?

surfponto
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Have heard some scattered reports of flowers popping up in some of the washes.
Anyone seeing much color out there?
Going to take a quick overnight trip out Thursday somewhere off the S2 to check things out.
Thanks,
Bob
6 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

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Topic: first desert weekend of 2023
rockhopper wrote:
Need to hike up Carrizo canyon to those glyphs someday. Thanks for sharing. Retouching up the glyphs? The jury is out with me on that subject. It can go both ways. Preservation vs loss forever.



Hey Guys,
Interesting UT article
I remember the first time I hiked to the Carrizo Gorge pictos. Always liked that spot.
Need to take a day trip out there again.

http://www.anzaborrego.net/2010/03/19/the-hunt-for-the-elusive-carrizo-gorge-pictographs/
I also remember when Daren and I first found the Solstice Cave. That was another fun trip.
Writing this I realize I need to get out to ABDSP more. 🤔


Bob
7 days ago
Topic:
Hi there!

rockhopper
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Topic: Hi there!
Congrats, Look forward to the trail report. Cheers!
7 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

rockhopper
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Excellent photography Buford. Nat Geo caliber. Keep em' coming.
7 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

rockhopper
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Need to hike up Carrizo canyon to those glyphs someday. Thanks for sharing. Retouching up the glyphs? The jury is out with me on that subject. It can go both ways. Preservation vs loss forever.
8 days ago
Topic:
Hi there!

Brian
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Topic: Hi there!
Brian wrote:
I'm sadly not in good enough shape to tackle peak 6582 myself


It turns out I was wrong about that, because Rocko1 and I just did it. We used the Rockhouse Canyon route.
14 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

Buford
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Cell phone shot. Didn't expect to see a rosy boa out in January.

19 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

Buford
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Thanks. Easy morning when the clouds look like that. The key is not to sleep in too long when it is cold out. Only hard part is finding the interesting parts of the lake bed in the dark.

I messed around with some in black and white too.

19 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

Britain
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Really nice captures!
19 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Britain
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I wouldnt have thought that the Blue Sun or the other on Indian hill were touched up though Ive heard it from others. The Cart wheel by Montero wash has also been rebuilt from what I've been told. Back when the memorial at the slot had the lighthouse, on the mesa above it was an Indian circle with 2 minor rock formations A spiral and a sunburst like the art at Solstice. This was over 20 years ago. I took the wife there to show her. The area was trashed from off roaders. We looked around for about an hr for them. Then again I wouldnt have known if this was a recently manufactured art. I took some film pictures of the work and I thought I scanned them. If I find them Ill post.
19 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

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Topic: first desert weekend of 2023
tommy750 wrote:

The site high up in Potrero is another example reportedly touched up by a local rancher.


If I remember correctly some of those were even "touched up" with a different color.
20 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

tommy750
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Rocko1 wrote:
Very cool. Have those pictographs been touched up at some point?


Pretty sure those have been touched up. Up close the black "pigment" looks more like liquid asphalt. Rumors abound about the identity of the touch-up artist. There are a few other altered sites in the Anza Borrego area including Little Blair Valley, the Blue Sun Cave and most likely another site in Indian Hill, again, with lots of black pigment over very faded red and yellow pictos. The site high up in Potrero is another example reportedly touched up by a local rancher.

Not sure why it's done, but apparently it's not just a local phenomenon. On a prior trip a speck east of here, I was surprised to see artists overpainting a faded Greek fresco at Ephesus presumably to make it more tourist friendly. As they say, the more popular an archaeological site, the less authentic.

Ephesus Restoration by tomteske, on Flickr
20 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

tommy750
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Very nice! Thanks.
20 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

Rocko1
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Awesome!
20 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Buford
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Brian wrote:
Buford wrote:
The UT just had an article that featured the Carrizo Gorge Pictos.


I saw that article. They were talking about how the train would disturb the serenity of the "Solstice Cave" (pretty sure they meant the Blue Sun Cave since the Solstice Cave is nowhere near the tracks) and then had a picture of the Carrizo pictos which is neither of those things.


I noticed the same thing about the article and locations. I was actually there the day the photo in the article took place at Carrizo Gorge Pictographs. I happened to be hiking by as Ernie Cowan and the Native American group was wrapping up their visit. I briefly talked with Ernie.

I even saw a Subaru make it to the end of the road and back without damage, though a couple times it only had 3 wheels on the ground slowly crawling along as I followed.
20 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

tekewin
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New year, awesome start!
20 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

Brian
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"6582 just after dawn"

I see what you did there.
20 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Brian
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Buford wrote:
The UT just had an article that featured the Carrizo Gorge Pictos.


I saw that article. They were talking about how the train would disturb the serenity of the "Solstice Cave" (pretty sure they meant the Blue Sun Cave since the Solstice Cave is nowhere near the tracks) and then had a picture of the Carrizo pictos which is neither of those things.
21 days ago
Topic:
2023 ABDSP and surrounding areas

Buford
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New year, new thread.

New shots from Sunday, no prizes for guessing the location:








6582 just after dawn




An old picture from a couple years ago. I just had it printed 12x18" on acrylic and hung it on the wall last night. It looks amazing with the bird printing larger than life size and crystal clear.

edited by Buford on 1/10/2023
21 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Buford
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Very nice. Funny how the stuff on the slot memorial keeps changing over the years. The dropoff is supposed to be one way, downhill to prevent it from getting all torn up. Just like the Diablo Dropoff. Doesn't mean there are any signs or that people would follow the posted signs anyway if they existed.

The UT just had an article that featured the Carrizo Gorge Pictos.
21 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Britain
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Rocko1 wrote:
Very cool. Have those pictographs been touched up at some point?


Ive been told some have been touched up.. They look like it also.
21 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Britain
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Brian wrote:
Britain wrote:
LOL we were at the slot for a visit about a month ago. Wife chuckled at the 20 peso note.


Do you drive through when you go? The dropoff that comes after that looked pretty sketchy.

Went down it a year ago. Couldnt get up it. Its really dug up now. Theres 3 ways though to get down now.

Theres the regular straight ahead, theres another to the west and one from long ago thats on the eastern side.
edited by Britain on 1/10/2023
edited by Britain on 1/10/2023
21 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Brian
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Rocko1 wrote:
Very cool. Have those pictographs been touched up at some point?


I've read that they have been, so I'm sure the darker ones are touched up. There were also a lot of fainter ones I wasn't as sure about (middle pic for example).
21 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Brian
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Britain wrote:
LOL we were at the slot for a visit about a month ago. Wife chuckled at the 20 peso note.


Do you drive through when you go? The dropoff that comes after that looked pretty sketchy.
21 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Rocko1
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Very cool. Have those pictographs been touched up at some point?
21 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Britain
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LOL we were at the slot for a visit about a month ago. Wife chuckled at the 20 peso note.
21 days ago
Topic:
first desert weekend of 2023

Brian
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I usually like to spend New Years eve in Anza Borrego, but the weather wasn't cooperating this year so I did it a week later. Friday night I was camped in Jojoba Wash and hiked over to see the Piepkorn Slot. It looks like quite the technical challenge to drive through. I'd love to see someone do it.

Memorial is still there.


Saturday I hiked to Carrizo Peak with the Jacumba Hikers. I was too focused on trying to keep up with them to take many pics (besides I've been there before) and the ones I took from the peak didn't turn out good. I like the fact that you can see the Carrizo Impact Area from up there and the Butterfield Stage route between the Coyote and Fish Creek mountains.

The badlands and Carrizo Creek


Looking NE toward the Salton Sea


After another night of camping I hiked to the pictographs in Carrizo Canyon. S Carrizo Creek road was in better shape than I was expecting, but being in a Subaru I still only drove about half way, which made for a 6 mile round trip hike.










29 days ago
Topic:
Stone Circle

Britain
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Topic: Stone Circle
tommy750 wrote:
Not able to see your pics, Britain.

Pictures are stored on an older site. Sometimes certain browsers block the pictures. Change the browser. I cant see then either in Google Chrome.
Ive swapped over to Brave.
edited by Britain on 1/2/2023
29 days ago
Topic:
Stone Circle

tommy750
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Not able to see your pics, Britain.
12/31/2022
Topic:
Grapevine Mountain

rockhopper
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Topic: Grapevine Mountain
Nice view hike! Thanks for sharing.
12/31/2022
Topic:
Stone Circle

rockhopper
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rockhopper
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Topic: Stone Circle
Mining the ancient Seabed. I am looking at the ancient seabed on my walls right now. Glad you got your rig fixed. I have 4 out of 5 vehicles running as of right now.
12/31/2022
Topic:
Grapevine Mountain

Buford
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Topic: Grapevine Mountain
It sure gets cold down there along the 78 from Scissors all the way past Tamarisk Grove.

I've only done the PCT route. I also hit up false Grapevine just to the south.


All the wire and wooden posts are usually the original surveyors equipment from when the BMs were placed.
12/31/2022
Topic:
Stone Circle

Buford
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Topic: Stone Circle
Nice. The narrow gauge rail is really cool.
12/31/2022
Topic:
2022

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tommy750 wrote:
NIce pics Buford! Really like the BW of the ramp. A review of the Nikon P1000 popped up in my youtube feed and I thought of all your bird pics. Not sure how good it is but sure looked like fun. Thanks!


Thanks. That is an IR image of the ramp in black and white. I hiked across Clark Dry Lake to find some interesting patterns. I had to avoid the car doing donuts on the lake bed mid day.

I have no idea if the Nikon P1000 is good or not, but I can say the hobby is expensive if you get hooked.


I will start a new thread for 2023 photos.
12/31/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

tekewin
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What monster trip! Great job!
12/31/2022
Topic:
Grapevine Mountain

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Topic: Grapevine Mountain
dsefcik wrote:
Nice, have never done the PCT side, have always gone the Schad route and then drop down into Bitter Creek Cyn to return. The Schad route can be tough with the false summits and rocky ridge.



Funny, I've only done the PCT route. This gives me a good excuse to go back and try the Schad route.
12/31/2022
Topic:
Stone Circle

tekewin
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Topic: Stone Circle
Interesting circle.

That's a big engine for those narrow rails.

Thanks for the photos.
12/30/2022
Topic:
Stone Circle

Brian
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Brian
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Topic: Stone Circle
Nice pics. Glad to hear your rig is back up and running. You probably have a backlog of places to explore!
12/28/2022
Topic:
Stone Circle

Britain
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Topic: Stone Circle
My Rigs been down for repair for the last 2 years and I finally completed the repairs. Been wanting to hit this Stone Circle out by the Fish Creek Mountains. The Center rock is oriented in the direction of W to E.
Also caught the Plaster City Narrow Gage leaving the mine and heading to Plaster City.

edited by Britain on 1/2/2023
12/28/2022
Topic:
Grapevine Mountain

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Topic: Grapevine Mountain
Brian wrote:
I went partway up one time on Schad's route, which starts from the other side in Grapevine canyon. It starts by going up a dry fall, which isn't too difficult when you figure out the route. Then it went up a hillside that as I recall was a bed of loose rocks interspersed with cactus. That part kicked my ass and when I topped out on the ridge and saw Grapevine one ridge over, I decided not to continue.

That was a few years ago before I was used to that sort of terrain. I like to think I'd do better now.



Ha-the Granite Mtn type terrain kind of grows on you doesn't it?

My route.

edited by Rocko1 on 12/28/2022
12/28/2022
Topic:
Grapevine Mountain

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Topic: Grapevine Mountain
dsefcik wrote:
Nice, have never done the PCT side, have always gone the Schad route and then drop down into Bitter Creek Cyn to return. The Schad route can be tough with the false summits and rocky ridge.



It's looked quite a bit more substantial if I were to drop into Grapevine Canyon from the peak. The hike up the PCT side was remarkably easy and enjoyable.

Do you know the significance of the wood posts and wire at the top of this and other benchmarks? I saw this on Roost BM as well.
edited by Rocko1 on 12/28/2022
12/28/2022
Topic:
Grapevine Mountain

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Topic: Grapevine Mountain
Nice, have never done the PCT side, have always gone the Schad route and then drop down into Bitter Creek Cyn to return. The Schad route can be tough with the false summits and rocky ridge.
12/27/2022
Topic:
Grapevine Mountain

Brian
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Brian
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Topic: Grapevine Mountain
I went partway up one time on Schad's route, which starts from the other side in Grapevine canyon. It starts by going up a dry fall, which isn't too difficult when you figure out the route. Then it went up a hillside that as I recall was a bed of loose rocks interspersed with cactus. That part kicked my ass and when I topped out on the ridge and saw Grapevine one ridge over, I decided not to continue.

That was a few years ago before I was used to that sort of terrain. I like to think I'd do better now.
12/27/2022
Topic:
Grapevine Mountain

Rocko1
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Topic: Grapevine Mountain
Yesterday I had to get out and burn off the Christmas calories. I decided to do Grapevine Mountain from the PCT starting near Scissors Crossing. I had no specific route planned. It was 32f when I started at 6:30am.


Desert Snail?


I have passed this drainage a few times and thought looked interesting.


I climbed out of the canyon and onto this ridge-looking west.


Natural stone wall


I got to the top and it was pretty fast going-looks like a fire not to long ago cleared almost all the brush above 3,200ft or so. Grapevine right of center.


At the top






I went back another drainage to the north and connected back to the PCT.

Very enjoyable hike with some fantastic views. I recommend it if you haven't done it yet.

7.8 miles, 1,980 ft gain/loss.
edited by Rocko1 on 12/27/2022
12/24/2022
Topic:
2022

tommy750
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tommy750
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NIce pics Buford! Really like the BW of the ramp. A review of the Nikon P1000 popped up in my youtube feed and I thought of all your bird pics. Not sure how good it is but sure looked like fun. Thanks!
12/21/2022
Topic:
2022

Buford
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Buford
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Brian wrote:
First pic looks like Middle Willows? Rocko1 and I did a very wet traverse through there last year.


That would be correct. Trail looked pretty well trimmed. Water is currently flowing all the way out to the citrus orchards at the end of the pavement. I didn't feel like wet feet so didn't go any further.

The sand verbena and stars shot was just enough breeze for the flowers to be too blurry. I was trying to get the flowers sharp and the stars as out of focus balls.
12/21/2022
Topic:
2022

Brian
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Brian
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First pic looks like Middle Willows? Rocko1 and I did a very wet traverse through there last year.
12/21/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

Rocko1
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rockhopper wrote:
Wow Rocko1, that was an epic trek from shore to crest. You really were covering a lot of miles at a pretty quick pace. Probably 3 to 4 miles an hour or so. About double my usual meandering pace of 2 mph. I really like the picture 6. It is just mesmerizing! Congrats on your expedition success.

Thank you. I was hiking at full clip smile. Felt great until the next morning when my feet were swollen and the tendons on top were really sore. Felt like heaven walking on hard pack after 30 miles of soft sand.

Thinking about doing the second half of SDTCT but the logistics just stink in comparison-private land bypasses, bushwhacking, etc.
12/20/2022
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2022

Buford
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Buford
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I don't know why but LightRoom keeps messing up my flickr that is used to host images. It breaks the old photo embeds. That is why old posts sometimes don't have all the images anymore. I don't know which photos some had originally so I won't fix it.

Here are some new images:












edited by Buford on 12/20/2022
12/20/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

rockhopper
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Wow Rocko1, that was an epic trek from shore to crest. You really were covering a lot of miles at a pretty quick pace. Probably 3 to 4 miles an hour or so. About double my usual meandering pace of 2 mph. I really like the picture 6. It is just mesmerizing! Congrats on your expedition success.
12/20/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

rockhopper
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Nice base camp setup for day hiking and good eye on finding those artifacts. Is that desert side notch made of some kind of quartz? The obsidian source was so close but may have been underwater at the time of manufacture. .Congrats.
12/19/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

Rocko1
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Buford wrote:
That is a lot of miles but some cool scenery. Inspiration Point is one of the best places to watch storms spilling over the Ysidro range and onto the desert floor.

I too am surprised about going all the way up to the top of the Jasper Trail and coming back down Grapevine instead of cutting across the badlands from Arroyo Salado to the Texas Dip and through the narrows.


I had never been to Inspiration and it was really fantastic. I loved hiking down through the fingers from the top. Highlight of the trip for me.

I think the SDTCT wants to follow the CRHT as much as possible. Certainly not the most efficient or direct, but easier to cache water, go into town, etc. I had several routes planned before opting for the SDTCT that were 20 miles shorter.
12/16/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

tommy750
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Buford wrote:
Very nice. Good to see all the sand verbena in bloom already. I'd be almost afraid of all the vehicles in Fish Creek in a holiday weekend as black friday. Do most stop well short of Hapaha flat?

I can't believe how many points you find.


We were worried there were going to be a zillion campers out there but it was really quiet compared to just about any other weekend. We had a group of jeeps go by about every hour or two but nothing like the traffic farther down canyon. It is 15+ miles to Hapaha one way, so probably less traffic. Really nice area. With the points, it's a matter of patience. Pretty sure you, with your awesome wildlife and time lapse photography, know all about that!
12/16/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

Buford
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That is a lot of miles but some cool scenery. Inspiration Point is one of the best places to watch storms spilling over the Ysidro range and onto the desert floor.

I too am surprised about going all the way up to the top of the Jasper Trail and coming back down Grapevine instead of cutting across the badlands from Arroyo Salado to the Texas Dip and through the narrows.
12/16/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

Buford
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Very nice. Good to see all the sand verbena in bloom already. I'd be almost afraid of all the vehicles in Fish Creek in a holiday weekend as black friday. Do most stop well short of Hapaha flat?

I can't believe how many points you find.
12/16/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

ziphius
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Thank you Rocko1. Food for thought on routes.
Rocko1 wrote:
ziphius wrote:
Nicely done! I'm still thinking about a route, but not getting any younger. If you saved a gpx track, wouldn't mind seeing the general route you did in map form.
edited by ziphius on 12/14/2022

This is what I used. https://caltopo.com/m/TNA0 Trip obviously can be done in more time, less rushing. It's sort of works out for 20 mile days with the cache locations.
12/15/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

Rocko1
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ziphius wrote:
Nicely done! I'm still thinking about a route, but not getting any younger. If you saved a gpx track, wouldn't mind seeing the general route you did in map form.
edited by ziphius on 12/14/2022

This is what I used. https://caltopo.com/m/TNA0 Trip obviously can be done in more time, less rushing. It's sort of works out for 20 mile days with the cache locations.
12/15/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

Rocko1
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tommy750 wrote:
Must be nice to be young and fit! Great trip. Your Plum tent/moon pic is really trippy. Like it.

It's not without a lot of pain and a steady diet of ibuprofen!
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

Brian
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tommy750 wrote:

Dug up a couple pics from before and after the dozer. I would say it's worse than the pre dozer pic now.


Yep, that's the spot! I remember it well. I was there in January 2020 and the condition was about like that first rocky pic.
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

ziphius
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Nice trip + area + points Tommy!
12/14/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

ziphius
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Nicely done! I'm still thinking about a route, but not getting any younger. If you saved a gpx track, wouldn't mind seeing the general route you did in map form.
edited by ziphius on 12/14/2022
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

tommy750
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Brian wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
Brian wrote:
How was the road condition going up to Hapaha from Sandstone? I've done it in my Crosstrek, but it seems like all the roads got slammed this summer and are in worse shape than normal.



There's always been that one 20 ft sketchy spot when you're exiting the canyon after Olla and before Hapaha. It got way better after they ran a dozer through there a few years ago but it's icky again. Had my wife get out and help me dodge boulders on the way in and heard a few too many scrapy sounds on the way out. Don't think you'd have any problems with any other location. Hope that helps!


That does help, thanks. If you're scraping with your truck I'm going to assume it isn't Subi-friendly at the moment. When I went in before I had a similar experience as you described. Made it past that section with some care going in, but on the way out dropped off a rock and hit my skid plate hard.

Dug up a couple pics from before and after the dozer. I would say it's worse than the pre dozer pic now.

Upper Fish Creek Squeeze (2018_09_25 07_05_23 UTC) by tomteske, on Flickr

After the dozer by tomteske, on Flickr
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

tommy750
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dsefcik wrote:
Very Nice tommy750...!!!! Thumbs Up
Remember our first camping trip ever was up the road at Dave McCain? In 2013, Xmas break. How time flies. Appreciate all the memories!

Daren by tomteske, on Flickr
12/14/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

tommy750
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Must be nice to be young and fit! Great trip. Your Plum tent/moon pic is really trippy. Like it.
12/14/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

Rocko1
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Brian wrote:
Impressive trip and great pics. I think it would bother me to do all that climbing out of Hellhole and then immediately give back that elevation gain going down Grapevine. I know you were looking at a shorter route that wouldn't have done that, but opted for the official route.


Yeah, going down to Grapevine was a chore, it's pretty steep and not frequently travelled from what it looked like. Once I hit the jeep road at the bottom it felt like forever to get to Plum Canyon-pretty monotonous hiking.
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

Brian
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tommy750 wrote:
Brian wrote:
How was the road condition going up to Hapaha from Sandstone? I've done it in my Crosstrek, but it seems like all the roads got slammed this summer and are in worse shape than normal.



There's always been that one 20 ft sketchy spot when you're exiting the canyon after Olla and before Hapaha. It got way better after they ran a dozer through there a few years ago but it's icky again. Had my wife get out and help me dodge boulders on the way in and heard a few too many scrapy sounds on the way out. Don't think you'd have any problems with any other location. Hope that helps!


That does help, thanks. If you're scraping with your truck I'm going to assume it isn't Subi-friendly at the moment. When I went in before I had a similar experience as you described. Made it past that section with some care going in, but on the way out dropped off a rock and hit my skid plate hard.
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

tommy750
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Brian wrote:
How was the road condition going up to Hapaha from Sandstone? I've done it in my Crosstrek, but it seems like all the roads got slammed this summer and are in worse shape than normal.



There's always been that one 20 ft sketchy spot when you're exiting the canyon after Olla and before Hapaha. It got way better after they ran a dozer through there a few years ago but it's icky again. Had my wife get out and help me dodge boulders on the way in and heard a few too many scrapy sounds on the way out. Don't think you'd have any problems with any other location. Hope that helps!
12/14/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

Brian
Brian
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Impressive trip and great pics. I think it would bother me to do all that climbing out of Hellhole and then immediately give back that elevation gain going down Grapevine. I know you were looking at a shorter route that wouldn't have done that, but opted for the official route.
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

Brian
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Hapaha is a great place for sunsets.



How was the road condition going up to Hapaha from Sandstone? I've done it in my Crosstrek, but it seems like all the roads got slammed this summer and are in worse shape than normal.
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

Rocko1
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Britain wrote:
Nice report. I think my wife also would rather do this then shopping. On another note about 20 years ago I passed through the same area. A park ranger had a few vehicles stopped. On the hood of the Park ranger truck was a few fire arms. What happens to people that get caught using firearms in the park?



Just a quick look I found this-


All the following sections are contained in the California Code of Regulations. All sections are misdemeanors which carry a maximum punishment of 90 days in jail and/or $1,000 fine.


4313. Weapons and Traps.
(a) No person shall carry, possess or discharge across, in or into any portion of any unit any weapon, firearm, spear, bow and arrow, trap, net, or device capable of injuring, or killing any person or animal, or capturing any animal, or damaging any public or private property, except in underwater parks or designated archery ranges where the Department of Parks and Recreation finds that it is in its best interests.
(b) Nothing herein contained shall be construed in derogation of the use of weapons permitted by law or regulation and to be used for hunting in any unit, or portion thereof, open to hunting.
(c) Firearms not having a cartridge in any portion of the mechanism, other unloaded weapons or devices such as traps, nets, and bows and arrows may be possessed within temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased, or stored in a manner that will prevent their ready use.
edited by Rocko1 on 12/14/2022
12/14/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Lake Cuyamaca-SDTCT

Rocko1
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I finally got around to do my Salton Sea to Cuyamaca trip. I have wanted to do this hike for a few years. I messed around with multiple routes, some shorter, some longer and eventually settled on the longer San Diego Trans County Trail route for a couple of reasons. One, it’s very easy logistically to cache water as there are many points the ‘trail’ intersects roads. Two, it is easier to bail out should something arise. Three if I ever get the gumption to do the second half of the SDTCT I won’t need to start from scratch.

Day 0-1
Wife and I car camped at Arroyo Salada campground the night before, where I also cached a gallon of water. She dropped me off Thursday, December 1st at 6:30am at the SDTCT eastern terminus which is at the end of Crystal Ave in Salton City. I then got as close to the sea as I could-within a few feet-I couldn’t get any closer as I was sinking into the muck-hiking poles were going in 2-3’ deep.


From there I picked up the Arroya Salada wash and headed west back to the campground. Made good time and decided to push on to my second water cache where Palm Canyon Dr turns into Pegleg Rd. Went by Inspiration Point-really great views up there.


Hiking as about as fast as I could with 25lbs on my back I made it to the 2nd cache around 5pm. 32.5 miles for the day and just smoked. Setup camp a few hundred yards off the road, ate and crashed hard.


Day 2
Woke up at 5am as I wanted to get into Borrego Springs early and start up Hellhole Canyon as soon as possible. Went to the Center Market and bought a few items. Once I made it to Hellhole Canyon I would be on the California Riding and Hiking Trail for a while. Struggled up Hellhole Canyon with the extra food and water-5L-brick of cheese was worth it.


Picked up another water cache at the Jasper Trail/Montezuma Valley Rd area. From there I dropped into Grapevine Canyon

and would take that to Plum Canyon-where I had another water/food cache-which ended up being overkill. I camped about a mile into Plum Canyon just off the jeep road. 27.5 miles. Same thing, setup camp, shovel some food and fell asleep around 6:30.


Day 3
Set the alarm for 4:30am as I wanted to make it to the lake as soon as possible. Left Plum Canyon,


headed across Earthquake Valley,


into Blair Valley to Box Canyon and up Mason Valley Truck Trail.

Man is that road rutted now. Got to Pedro Fages Monument, crossed the road and made a straight line for the group of pines near Stonewall Mine area. Got the lake around 2pm. 25 miles.


Really was a great trip and I had a good sense of accomplishment. I had perfect weather-lows were mid 40’s, highs high 60’s and partly cloudy. Only had wind the first night.

Trip Totals-85 miles, 10,148' gain. -231 ft lowest elevation, 4,790 highest. 4 Balloons.

Album https://imgur.com/a/4EVWumb
12/14/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

Brian
Brian
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Brian
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
I didn't remember until after I posted that there's a guzzler at the head of June Wash on the hill above Hapaha Flat. That would be the obvious choice for that neighborhood. Funny that I forgot that one as it's the only one I've hiked to.
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

Britain
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Nice report. I think my wife also would rather do this then shopping. On another note about 20 years ago I passed through the same area. A park ranger had a few vehicles stopped. On the hood of the Park ranger truck was a few fire arms. What happens to people that get caught using firearms in the park?
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

Rocko1
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Tommy, the human artifact dowsing rod strikes again! wink Amazed at how you find all those fantastic pieces. Looked like a really great trip.
12/14/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

dsefcik
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dsefcik
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Topic: Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend
Very Nice tommy750...!!!! Thumbs Up
12/14/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

dsefcik
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Brian wrote:
That area sure seems to be a mountain lion hot spot. I remember seeing a sign warning about them in Hapaha Flat. Where would they get water around there? The closest thing I can think of would be the guzzlers by Big Horn Canyon.


Yes, they drink from the guzzlers as at least one source.





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12/14/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

tekewin
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tekewin
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
dsefcik wrote:
My son and I backpacked to Starfish Cove back in 2011, there was a BHS lamb skeleton in the wash. Starfish is a drainage, it can be bouldery and hard to navigate or open depending on the season. In another year my son and a couple of other friends backpacked from Little Blair over Whale Peak and down into Starfish via Hapaha, it was a tough 2 day trip that required water stashing prior. I would totally do it again.
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edited by dsefcik on 12/13/2022



That's an amazing find!
12/13/2022
Topic:
Hapaha Flat Thanksgiving Weekend

tommy750
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Convinced my wife to spend Black Friday driving up Fish Creek rather than facing the marauding hordes of Xmas shoppers. We ended up in the southeastern corner of Hapaha Flat. The weather was perfect the entire weekend. Getting camp set up.

IMG_1885 by tomteske, on Flickr

The kitchen view looking toward Whale and a sea of ocotillos in red and orange fall colors.


IMG_1887 by tomteske, on Flickr

Tried to catch a decent pic of the ocotillos lighting up at dusk but a photo doesn't do it justice. Was a really pretty sight.

Ocotillo Fall Colors by tomteske, on Flickr

Lots of cultural sites in the area. Here's a rather large metate fragment.

IMG_1920 by tomteske, on Flickr


A nice intact Desert Side Notch point.

IMG_1929 by tomteske, on Flickr

An obsidian drill or an abandoned projectile point a few feet away from the above point.

IMG_1894 by tomteske, on Flickr

Randy and Lisa, long time Park volunteers found these nice painted sherds a while back. DStretched.

IMG_2060 by tomteske, on Flickr

Wandering up the wash, we came across this water stash. Was next to the road and only two liters for a June hike? Hope he made it.

IMG_1968 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1966 by tomteske, on Flickr

Bunch of shell casings and empty boxes right next to the Hapaha sign. We were planning on cleaning up the mess on our way back but ended up returning by another route.

IMG_1911 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_1917 by tomteske, on Flickr

Desiccated Chuckwalla

IMG_2044 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_2051 by tomteske, on Flickr

Found a faint trail on GE I tried to follow on the final day. Was very rocky and eroded. About a mile in, came across this unfortunate ram.

IMG_2008 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_2010 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_2015 by tomteske, on Flickr

Nice view of the Carrizo badlands toward Canebrake and McCain.

IMG_2022 by tomteske, on Flickr

Large drilled rim sherd in the middle of the trail.

IMG_2029 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_2033 by tomteske, on Flickr

On our way out, lots of nice desert sand-verbena were blooming.

IMG_2055 by tomteske, on Flickr

Literally 30 seconds before the canyon turned to gray. A little hiking, a little exploring and a lot of relaxing. Enjoy!

IMG_2059 by tomteske, on Flickr
12/13/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

Brian
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Brian
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
That area sure seems to be a mountain lion hot spot. I remember seeing a sign warning about them in Hapaha Flat. Where would they get water around there? The closest thing I can think of would be the guzzlers by Big Horn Canyon.
12/13/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

dsefcik
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On the Blair-Alma backpack we found what we believe was a mtn lion BHS kill stash in a wash, it was descending into starfish.







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12/13/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

dsefcik
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dsefcik
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
My son and I backpacked to Starfish Cove back in 2011, there was a BHS lamb skeleton in the wash. Starfish is a drainage, it can be bouldery and hard to navigate or open depending on the season. In another year my son and a couple of other friends backpacked from Little Blair over Whale Peak and down into Starfish via Hapaha, it was a tough 2 day trip that required water stashing prior. I would totally do it again.





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edited by dsefcik on 12/13/2022
12/12/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

tekewin
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tekewin
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
Buford wrote:
Cool trip report. That area is unique. Starfish cove looks interesting, never been there. Any sign of the rest of the bighorn skeleton, or was it just a lower leg?

We found the biggest elephant tree in a side canyon coming down off Elephant BM.



Having read the Schad description, we looked for more skeleton parts, but only found a few scattered bones. Nothing resembling a full bighorn. I imagined Starfish as a wide, flat, sandy area. But it was kind of rough, with boulders, vegetation and mud walls ranging from 5' to 25'. Also much bigger than I expected.
12/12/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

tekewin
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tekewin
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
tommy750 wrote:
Nice TR. I made it to the bump in the upper left of your second pic a year ago and found cement filled boots in a shelter. There were quite a few healthy looking elephant trees on that side of Alma. As I recall, all the trees seemed about the same size and I didn't seen any "baby" ones which was concerning. Always nice to see the familiar Fish Creek area from a new perspective. Looks like your decent ridge was pretty bouldery.



We didn't see any baby trees either. All the ridges were pretty bouldery, but not overly difficult. I regretted bailing into the wash too soon on the way back. I think it was slower in the wash.
12/11/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

Buford
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Buford
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
Cool trip report. That area is unique. Starfish cove looks interesting, never been there. Any sign of the rest of the bighorn skeleton, or was it just a lower leg?

We found the biggest elephant tree in a side canyon coming down off Elephant BM.
12/11/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

tommy750
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tommy750
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
Nice TR. I made it to the bump in the upper left of your second pic a year ago and found cement filled boots in a shelter. There were quite a few healthy looking elephant trees on that side of Alma. As I recall, all the trees seemed about the same size and I didn't seen any "baby" ones which was concerning. Always nice to see the familiar Fish Creek area from a new perspective. Looks like your decent ridge was pretty bouldery.
12/6/2022
Topic:
Elephant Benchmark

Rocko1
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Rocko1
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Topic: Elephant Benchmark
Very cool hike. Killer views from up there. The weather has been super the last couple of weeks.




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