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3 days ago
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The "New" McCain Valley

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Actually hiked up the access road to White Arrow a couple years ago but had no idea what it was at the time. Only get one hit on the internet for that name in an old BLM document from 1979. Thanks for the info, Bob S.
4 days ago
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The "New" McCain Valley

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Topic: The "New" McCain Valley
@Bob S: I really enjoy reading about old memories of how things were....any further stories you care to share about how things "used to be" out in the desert and surrounding areas would be great to hear about....your accounts of names that never made it to the maps or books is valuable to know about..thank you for sharing...
5 days ago
Topic:
The "New" McCain Valley

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When I was 14 I went on a day quail hunting trip with my uncle and his friends. I couldn't get out there again until about 1970 when I could drive. We never camped in Cottonwood at the time because there were so many other remote places to camp. I'm sure Cottonwood was there in 65. Sometime we would cruise Cottonwood just to check thing out. The campground was always well maintained (not like today) there use to be these really nice heavy duty redwood picnic tables in all the camp sights. Seldom did we ever see anybody camping in Cottonwood because at that time you could camp anywhere you wanted to as long as were not on private property. There use to be another campground about a mile south of Cottonwood called White Arrow. It wasn't vary popular because there were no shade trees. When 1980 came around out of the blue the BLM closed down just about everything east of McCain Valley Rd. All of are former camp sights are a thing of the past like Davies Valley and Sheephead Mt. Rd.
5 days ago
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Google Photos is pretty good and free. You can create and share albums as well as individual pics. Convenient if you are already in the Google universe. Here is an example album.
6 days ago
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Photo hosting recommendations

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tommy750 wrote:
The Flickr app works great! Let's face it, the only cell service that works at all "out there" is Verizon. Or, Iridium smile

A lot of people like Flikr and it is free..SmugMug is relatively cheap (about $30 per year) for unlimited storage and lots of options. I am jealous of folks who have Verizon, it works everywhere...but hopefully T-Mobile will make some progress in the next couple of years since they have just purchased up some of the frequencies needed to penetrate deeper into the public use air space.



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6 days ago
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A 'plug' for the San Diego Tracking Team

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Topic: A 'plug' for the San Diego Tracking Team
I own several tracking & scat books, this one I believe is the best and is recommended by the SDTT. If you are at all interested in identifying animal scat and tracks get this book...Thumbs Up

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Mammal Tracks & Sign: A Guide to North American SpeciesPaperback – August 1, 2003
by Mark Elbroch (Author)
6 days ago
Topic:
Photo hosting recommendations

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Agree with Buford. Flickr works well, at least at the present time. Who knows what will happen now that Verizon bought it.

You'll get a Photo App on your Verizon phone....



The Flickr app works great! Let's face it, the only cell service that works at all "out there" is Verizon. Or, Iridium smile
6 days ago
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A 'plug' for the San Diego Tracking Team

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I think Daren and I went out with those guys or a similar group about a year or so ago in Grapevine to monitor transects. Was kinda interesting although can't say it was the most fun I've ever had. Did end up buying a nice guide called "Field Guide to Animal Tracks and Scat of California" which I definitely recommend. A quote from the Introduction: "It's not for everyone, this world of scat and tiny tracks. But for those who are bold, I'd say get some gloves and a jacket and a hat and explore California."
6 days ago
Topic:
Photo hosting recommendations

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I purchased a .com and a web hosting plan. Friend uses SmugMug seems to like it.
7 days ago
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A 'plug' for the San Diego Tracking Team

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Alex and I took an introductory animal tracking and sign class with the San Diego Tracking Team yesterday at Los Penasquitos canyon. Really nice bunch of people and a fun time. At least a couple of these folks participate in the annual sheep count. They conduct wildlife survey transects throughout the year and are always looking for extra pairs of eyes to help find and identify tracks (but you have to take this intro course, free, 4 hrs) to participate in transect surveys . They emphasize that you don't have to be an expert to contribute.... tracks are really easy to miss and your extra set of eyes is a big contribution to each survey, even if you can't identify what you're seeing. For those on Facebook, here is a link to a great bobcat encounter from one of their senior trackers. Hopefully, it's accessible to all.
edited by ziphius on 7/16/2017
8 days ago
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Photo hosting recommendations

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Thanks all. I will check em' out.
9 days ago
Topic:
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Agree with Buford. Flickr works well, at least at the present time. Who knows what will happen now that Verizon bought it.

You'll get a Photo App on your Verizon phone....
9 days ago
Topic:
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Agree with Buford. Flickr works well, at least at the present time. Who knows what will happen now that Verizon bought it.
9 days ago
Topic:
Photo hosting recommendations

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Flickr works well so far.
9 days ago
Topic:
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yeah its a shame Photobucket is doing this. Many of my trip reports have lost their photo links. There is no way I am paying that price.
I started using imgur.com
9 days ago
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I use SmugMug.....
9 days ago
Topic:
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Now that photo bucket has changed it's terms, I guess no more posting pictures from my photo bucket account. $399 per year seems pretty steep considering it's been free for years. All my photos are backed up at my home so no big loss ,but sure was convenient. Any recommendations for a cheap or free service alternate?
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11 days ago
Topic:
The "New" McCain Valley

tommy750
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Was last out there in May doing an overnight in Canebrake and again couldn't believe the additional destruction since I posted this in March. Agree, really sad to see. Lark Canyon OHV is starting to look pristine in comparison.

Bob S, was Cottonwood campground even around back in 1965? Things must have looked very different! Thanks for posting.


New McCain Valley by tomteske, on Flickr
11 days ago
Topic:
The "New" McCain Valley

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Topic: The "New" McCain Valley
Bob S wrote:
My first time out to McCain Valley was in 1965. Have camped out there many times over the years. Spent Monday night at Cottonwood and more than likely won't be back. RIP McCain Valley.
Amen.....however you can still venture off into some remote areas if backpacking or distance hiking. The sights of evolution are discouraging to say the least.
11 days ago
Topic:
The "New" McCain Valley

Bob S
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My first time out to McCain Valley was in 1965. Have camped out there many times over the years. Spent Monday night at Cottonwood and more than likely won't be back. RIP McCain Valley.
12 days ago
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2017 Sheep Count info

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Buford, thanks for posting that story link, much appreciated...
14 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Topic: Big Boy between hwy 8
All Righty then. I've been reading how springs are drying up. That swampy area where the overland stage runs through near Valllecito wash has dried up, noticed that a couple years ago. Its always has had water in it. You can still dig in some of the washes near the Yuha wells and get water though.
14 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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The reporter that was interviewing people and tagging along put up her report:

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/07/09/volunteers-brave-extremes-to-count-bighorn-sheep-in-the-desert/

There are some minor differences between the audio and written report, but the gist is the same.
14 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Britain wrote:
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All these stories of ticks reminds me of the back side of Palomar Mtn. I was covered with Deer ticks hiking up to Agua Tibia. Once I was sleeping on ground on the PCT south of Red Tahquitz when I was bolted awake by ticks on my neck! Tent from that day forward. Sounds like I need to hike out to the "island" area at I-8. It's near a main trail that heads towards the coast. Used for for thousands of years by the Native Americans.
edited by rockhopper on 7/6/2017

Interesting in 2002 I was photographing this area for a native American trail named the Yuma trail, a trail from mission bay to the river area at Yuma. I came across the Yuma to San Diego turnpike and thought perhaps I was wrong. Where can I find information on your trail?

Hi Britain,
It is my understanding the major East-West cooridor used for thousands of years at the southern part of the county is basically under or near old I-80 following the springs and water sources ( dug out wells) from the desert toward the coast. It was not uncommon for these Native Americans to travel on foot over 40 miles in one day carrying their gear wearing only deer skin or woven foot ware. Tough!
edited by rockhopper on 7/9/2017
16 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Topic: Big Boy between hwy 8
rockhopper wrote:
All these stories of ticks reminds me of the back side of Palomar Mtn. I was covered with Deer ticks hiking up to Agua Tibia. Once I was sleeping on ground on the PCT south of Red Tahquitz when I was bolted awake by ticks on my neck! Tent from that day forward. Sounds like I need to hike out to the "island" area at I-8. It's near a main trail that heads towards the coast. Used for for thousands of years by the Native Americans.
edited by rockhopper on 7/6/2017

Interesting in 2002 I was photographing this area for a native American trail named the Yuma trail, a trail from mission bay to the river area at Yuma. I came across the Yuma to San Diego turnpike and thought perhaps I was wrong. Where can I find information on your trail?
16 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

rockhopper
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All these stories of ticks reminds me of the back side of Palomar Mtn. I was covered with Deer ticks hiking up to Agua Tibia. Once I was sleeping on ground on the PCT south of Red Tahquitz when I was bolted awake by ticks on my neck! Tent from that day forward. Sounds like I need to hike out to the "island" area at I-8. It's near a main trail that heads towards the coast. Used for for thousands of years by the Native Americans.
edited by rockhopper on 7/6/2017
17 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Topic: Big Boy between hwy 8
Your probably correct, every time I go through any brush I look for those hitchhikers on me !
17 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Topic: Big Boy between hwy 8
Personally I blame the Tamarisk, the whole Jacumba/Carrizo area is infested with Tamarisk and ticks. Too many trips in Carrizo have left me with 4,5,6 or more ticks in a single day. I was talking with some BP once out in Myer and a younger one commented about the ticks whenever they patrolled the island area. Devils Cyn had a lot of Tamarisk growing...just MHO....
17 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Topic: Big Boy between hwy 8
Devils Canyon, per BP used to be a pick up area for illegals. They would wait in the canyon and when the time came drop their stuff and scramble up to the freeway for the ride. That the reason for all the backpacks that used to be down there. In 2002 I ran into some BP with their shirts off trying to rid the ticks from them. Same year I found these explosives. The detonators per ID where from Germany around 1890-1900. I didn't know they had electrical ones back then. Up to 1978 when the hurricane came through you could almost drive a car through per some long term locals. There also are some ruins that are over looked. I thought at first was it the toll station but I think that is in mountain springs. Bada boom. Let the BLM know and they came in cleared them out.
18 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Topic: Big Boy between hwy 8
dsefcik wrote:
I went out yesterday and hiked the loop from the island down the canyon, under the bridge and then back out near the spring....it was kinda hot out there. Was hoping to see some sheep, I was packing the 600mm lens but did not see any, just several iguanas and lizards and some hawks screeching in the high noon sky...didn't even see the BP. I need to spend some more time exploring that area, it is a fascinating place.



That canyon is infested with ticks. Been also on the mountain ridge which is on the west side of 8 before mountain springs. More deer on that side then Big Horn. There's a big cat also. That's why I asking what camera you were using.
edited by Britain on 7/5/2017
18 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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I went out yesterday and hiked the loop from the island down the canyon, under the bridge and then back out near the spring....it was kinda hot out there. Was hoping to see some sheep, I was packing the 600mm lens but did not see any, just several iguanas and lizards and some hawks screeching in the high noon sky...didn't even see the BP. I need to spend some more time exploring that area, it is a fascinating place.
18 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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ziphius wrote:
"Island" sheep, nice. Makes me wonder how often vehicle collisions occur. What is the 'DC' refer to?
edited by ziphius on 6/12/2017


The highest peak in the island has the DC marker ( Devils Canyon-Peak)


Heres my little write up between .

http://www.icorva.com/index.php/2013-03-23-20-44-53/2013-04-20-02-04-08/2013-03-23-20-37-36/back-packing/7-between-the-8
edited by Britain on 7/5/2017
edited by Britain on 7/5/2017
19 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Topic: 2017 Sheep Count info
Ziphius, I must have missed you at checkin. We were a little late to checkout.

I was at 4th. Gary Was at 3rd and had to stay late waiting for us so we could reconcile counts.

Daren, I heard about your groups adventures from Mike when he walked us out. Ouch. He speculated some of the seismic activity might have shutoff the water supply to the spring.

Glad everyone made it out safe.

No exotic wildlife for us this year. Lots of frogs, water bugs, white preying mantis, lizards and some hawks. The hummingbirds kept trying to get nectar out of our orange tarp lines, confused things. Lots of other small birds but no birders in our group.
edited by Buford on 7/3/2017
19 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Daren,

Your decision to turn back (we heard about it the 1st night at a group dinner and I talked with Gary a bit at the check-out) is highly commendable and the sign of excellent backcountry sense. Bummer to not see any sheep, but like Gary said, why would the sheep keep walking uphill if they had all the water they needed at Tubb and Middle Spring(s)? Great bird sightings, including a pair of peregrine falcons (good eyes Alex!) and an audio identification of an American Bittern (a rarity, again, good ears Alex!). We collected a nice water sample at Big Spring after an enjoyable 2.5 days of counting. Met some nice folks from the San Diego tracking team (Bob and Dick) who were counting at Lower Hellhole and we did a field trip with them on Thursday evening to the 'dump' area east of town. Saw 3 coyotes walk through and then tried to find their tracks, very humbling experience. The Bighorn 47th count year coffee mugs were a great 'consolation prize'. It's a unique group of people and I recommend that anyone that eventually signs up (campers excepted) consider staying at the Steele / Burnand Research Center. It's fun to hang out and see fellow counters each evening and at 4:30 in the morning, a lot of camaraderie with 'like-minded people', as one person put it.
edited by ziphius on 7/3/2017
20 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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@Buford Thanks for the report and glad you had a good count

@ziphius Sorry you had no sheep, I saw that in the final results. At least you got to experience the count. Not every site will see sheep every year, it can vary dramtically year to year...glad you have decided to return next year.

Our Rattlesanke site was quite different this year. One of our veteran counters had some issues with the heat about 2 miles in so we turned around and hiked back out with him to get him to his vehicle and safety. There is no room for taking chances out there in the heat and so far away, phones do not work and any help is as far away as the hike out and drive into town and then back again. With 4 extra miles added to our hike my remaining partner and I got to the count site around 11:30pm, just in time for some star gazing and tequila from our hidden stash. Lots of shooting stars that night, beautiful.....

In the morning though we noticed a total absence of sign from sheep, no tracks, scat or urine stains, something very obvious year after year...sheep had not been coming here recently. We found the spring dry. We discussed options and decided to hike out before the sunrise and the heat, otherwise we would have had to wait until dusk to hike out in the cover of shade.

We did see 1 ram so our total count was 1, a historic low I am sure.

Thanks to all who participated, your efforts are appreciated very much!

Daren
20 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Nice photos Buford. Were you at 3rd or 4th grove? My team of 3 was at Big Spring, where we saw zero (same result as the 2015 count), but had fun recording all the bird life. The sheep liked the sites adjacent to us much better (Tubb and Middle springs). smile We plan on returning next year. - Jim
20 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Well, the forum ate my first post and I had to start over.

It was an interesting count for this year.

The three other people in our group were good people to hang out with for three days, which is always a plus for randomly assigned strangers.

The upper Palm Canyon count sites do not have a trail to them and require bouldering, talus hopping, loose steep slopes and bushwhacking to hike to. Add in a full pack and the high temperatures and it is even more difficult. I cannot stress this enough for someone that wants to count these sites. All three years I have done this there has been someone assigned to count in upper Palm Canyon who is not prepared for the hike in and out and really suffers. This year was no exception.

We saw the same general group of sheep each day. They would start the day high on the slope opposite the count site and would work down to the canyon bottom by midday. They traveled down canyon out of sight. After count hours they would come back towards camp on the opposite slope from their starting point, then cut though camp and climb up to where they started.

Some cell phone pictures of the count are below. Some pictures are from the count site, others from camp. All zoom pictures were obtained by holding the 10x binoculars in one hand with the cell phone in the other with the camera sort of centered in the eye piece. I was surprised it worked at all.

Old Major:


Tagged ewe through binoculars:



Tagged ewe closer to camp this time:


Ram from camp through binoculars:


Count site, most sheep were seen high on the slope across the canyon from us:


Panorama from count site:

edited by Buford on 7/3/2017


Added a picture and clarification
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20 days ago
Topic:
NPR story on how bodies decay in the desert

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http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/01/523024955/to-solve-gruesome-desert-mysteries-scientists-become-body-collectors


"Editor's note: Those readers who are squeamish about descriptions of decaying bodies may want to skip the next nine paragraphs."
edited by ziphius on 7/3/2017
20 days ago
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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I learned "Island" from this forum. smile Speaking of sheep, had a great time on my 1st 'sheep count'. Zero sheep at Big Spring this year (counters had a zero in 2015 too). Met a lot of great people and we got to stare at rocks, lizards, and birds all day for 2.5 days.

surfponto wrote:
Great photo!

Sorry have not been on the forum as much as I should. Lots of family stuff going on.
Anyway wanted to comment that I really love that area.

Daren and I explored it 5 plus years ago.
I would like to take credit for the name "The Island" but someone will probably refute it wink

http://www.anzaborrego.net/2012/04/19/exploring-myer-valley-and-beyond/

Bob
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20 days ago
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Big Boy between hwy 8

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Great photo!

Sorry have not been on the forum as much as I should. Lots of family stuff going on.
Anyway wanted to comment that I really love that area.

Daren and I explored it 5 plus years ago.
I would like to take credit for the name "The Island" but someone will probably refute it wink

http://www.anzaborrego.net/2012/04/19/exploring-myer-valley-and-beyond/

Bob
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24 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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This weekend I went up a canyon to see if I could put up with the heat. Started early. By 9am it was 105. 1.5 miles in I called it quits. I'm in my 60's so this will need to be left to the younger. Hats off to those that do this!
24 days ago
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2017 Sheep Count info

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Britain wrote:
Does that trail drop down toward the Salton sea side? Now need to go check it out.



Believe I recall hearing there's a couple places you can drop down toward Salton Sea off of this trail. Tom
25 days ago
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2017 Sheep Count info

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tommy750 wrote:
Kudos to all you counters that are braving the elements this coming weekend. Happy to have contributed a teeeny amount to the endeavor hauling water to Rattlesnake Spring earlier in the year and being rewarded in turn with a great hike on old Indian trails. Take care!

Toward Pyramid by tomteske, on Flickr

Does that trail drop down toward the Salton sea side? Now need to go check it out.
25 days ago
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2017 Sheep Count info

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Kudos to all you counters that are braving the elements this coming weekend. Happy to have contributed a teeeny amount to the endeavor hauling water to Rattlesnake Spring earlier in the year and being rewarded in turn with a great hike on old Indian trails. Take care!

Toward Pyramid by tomteske, on Flickr
27 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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I'd agree to sell my soul and not see any bighorn if I could see a ring-tailed cat. Quite rare to be seen. smile

Buford wrote:
I have counted in upper Palm Canyon twice. We always have water from the stream to filter. Probably about 6L/person/day.

I volunteer for Upper Palm Canyon because even if we see no sheep at our count site, there are almost always sheep on the hike in and out. The other thing I like is there is always something interesting in Palm Canyon. Lots of birds, insects, coyotes, frogs, toads, lizards. Last year we even saw a ring-tailed cat during the count.

Some people keep coming back. There are teams that always have the same counters at the same site each year. Most people do not return after counting once. Only way to find out is to do it.

My 3rd year and I have seen few repeat volunteers in upper Palm Canyon. The temperatures, boredom, rough hike in and improper packing probably have a lot to do with it. Most pack too heavy and are not ready for the off trail portion of the hike, as mild as Palm Canyon is.

Not all sites see sheep each year. That has something to do with people returning as well.

Stay safe everyone. So far the forecast looks relatively mild.
27 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

dsefcik
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Britain wrote:
Trail camera, those are great shots and video! Camera??

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EK61B4I
27 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Looks like you placed it near the sheep?
27 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Britain wrote:
Thanks good write up. I'll need to get new glasses! Do envy that 600mm lens.

I don't take that anymore, too heavy...I got a trail camera last year to do all the work for me

http://www.sefcik.com/2016/07/bighorn-sheep-census-count-2016-abdsp.html


Trail camera, those are great shots and video! Camera??
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Wow thanks. Shows some good hiking trails.
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Britain wrote:
Can you recommend a mad that shows these locations? My topo doesn't and I'm not familiar with this side of the park.

https://caltopo.com/
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Can you recommend a mad that shows these locations? My topo doesn't and I'm not familiar with this side of the park.
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Britain wrote:
I Looked over the application for this. I certainly would check the backpacking. Question. Is there a list of spotting sites this is done from? Reason is I would like to , when its cooler pack in to the worst ones and see whats required.

You csn see a list of the results and count sites here http://theabf.org/45th-annual-anza-borrego-sheep-count-results

Many of the sites have regulars (like Rattlesnake Spring) so it is not guaranteed you will get a site you request...you can certainly request a specific site but you may be assigned elsewhere if needed.
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Britain wrote:
Thanks good write up. I'll need to get new glasses! Do envy that 600mm lens.

I don't take that anymore, too heavy...I got a trail camera last year to do all the work for me

http://www.sefcik.com/2016/07/bighorn-sheep-census-count-2016-abdsp.html
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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I Looked over the application for this. I certainly would check the backpacking. Question. Is there a list of spotting sites this is done from? Reason is I would like to , when its cooler pack in to the worst ones and see whats required.
28 days ago
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2017 Sheep Count info

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Thanks good write up. I'll need to get new glasses! Do envy that 600mm lens.
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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I think Buford summed it up pretty good....Thumbs Up
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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I have counted in upper Palm Canyon twice. We always have water from the stream to filter. Probably about 6L/person/day.

I volunteer for Upper Palm Canyon because even if we see no sheep at our count site, there are almost always sheep on the hike in and out. The other thing I like is there is always something interesting in Palm Canyon. Lots of birds, insects, coyotes, frogs, toads, lizards. Last year we even saw a ring-tailed cat during the count.

Some people keep coming back. There are teams that always have the same counters at the same site each year. Most people do not return after counting once. Only way to find out is to do it.

My 3rd year and I have seen few repeat volunteers in upper Palm Canyon. The temperatures, boredom, rough hike in and improper packing probably have a lot to do with it. Most pack too heavy and are not ready for the off trail portion of the hike, as mild as Palm Canyon is.

Not all sites see sheep each year. That has something to do with people returning as well.

Stay safe everyone. So far the forecast looks relatively mild.
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Britian, there are a few threads on bighorn counts archived on this site. One recent one is here. I was curious about others' experiences (my 1st count this year) and looked up these trips using the site's Search window, with keywords = "Sheep Count".
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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One shouldn't take the 120 temp to lightly its a killer even doing nothing but looking. I wouldn't have an issue with being self supporting but dealing with the heat is another issue. When I worked in Mexicali one of our customers Sony would deliver our packaging back to us in a truck. They would dump it in the parking lot, we would sort it out. Even though we had a tarp for shade we rolled through people. Only people from Mexicali could deal with the heat. I would guess in a canyon it would even be hotter. How did the heat treat you? How much water did you go through a day?
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Britain wrote:
So who trucks in the water to you? smile Do you camp at the site or packout everyday? Anywhere to read up on this?

Depends on the count site, there are all levels of count site opportunities, some are easy walk in everyday from your hotel sites and others are backpack only. Most sites require you to bring your own water each day, some may have water available to filter. Our site at Rattlesnake Spring we carry water up and bury it each spring and then pack out the empty containers. The count is for the most part completely self supported, the park really only provides you with a location, advice and paperwork to fill out, everything else is up to you, that is one reason why so many people drop out after the orientation, they think the park is gonna give them everything they need and take care of them but that is not how it works.
28 days ago
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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So who trucks in the water to you? smile Do you camp at the site or packout everyday? Anywhere to read up on this?
6/23/2017
Topic:
Tunes about Anza Borrego

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I listened to the audio snippet...interesting...thanks for posting and sharing.
6/23/2017
Topic:
Tunes about Anza Borrego

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This is cool. Something to listen to while driving out there.

Marco Minnemann is releasing a CD that is about Anza Borrego, and it features guitar work from Alex Lifeson of Rush, and Joe Satriani.

http://lazybones.com/artists/marco-minnemann
6/22/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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All of the sites are in the north end of the park, they do not count in the south end...not that they don't care about the "south" sheep, it is just a matter of staying consistent and I believe the DFG/DFW have their own method of tracking wildlife. I encourage anyone to volunteer that can tolerate 3 long days of sitting still scanning the landscape for BHS in 100+ temps, it can be a great experience or possibly the most boring and miserable thing you have ever done. Many people drop out after the orientation (REQUIRED for first time counters) and count site assignments shift around accordingly.

Hey, happy sheep counting to all the volunteers and thank you for your efforts..!!
6/22/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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So for Borrego how is it divided up for the count ? Back it the late 70's I was coming back from Arizona took the S2 at Ocotillo. Theres a a guy afoot at the Carrizo Gorge entrance. His vehicle got stuck in the sand a few miles up. We went in and pulled him out. Said he was to join up with a group for a sheep count.
6/22/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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As mentioned, the sheep don't need water until it gets hot. Also as it gets hot water holes dry up and there are fewer of them that need to be staked out. The count is also ideally before the monsoon rains later in summer.

The other reason is Lamb mortality. They want the count to be after the die off of lambs. Part of the count data compares ewe counts vs lamb and yearling counts to check survival rates since every ewe gives birth to a single lamb every spring.

I think the San Gabriel mountains do a sheep count at a different time of year.
6/22/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Thanks. I was going to sign up this year but thought there might be another time. Never done this. Perhaps next year.
6/21/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Britain wrote:
Question. Why would the count be at this time of year? Or are there other times also?


It's a waterhole count and unless temperatures are above 100, the sheep can get all the moisture they need just by eating plants. Once it gets hotter than the low 100s, they need to come down to the waterholes every few days. Makes for easier counting because animals have to congregate by the water at some point during the survey. So, you are simultaneously hoping for hot weather so you see some sheep, while dreading the potential for really hot weather. Others here have done numerous sheep counts and can speak about the conditions with more authority. I've done one 'unofficial' count in temperatures about 104 for a single day, the day seemed very long until the afternoon, when sheep appeared, and then, time flew by.
edited by ziphius on 6/21/2017
6/21/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Question. Why would the count be at this time of year? Or are there other times also?
6/20/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Hopefully it cools off a little, I mean a lot! It is predicted at 121 Deg. in Borrego Valley today! Look forward to doing it with you guys ( and gals) someday when the dust settles with moving and family issues.
6/19/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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I'll be in upper Palm Canyon, currently looking like 4th grove. It looked like they might have to reshuffle us around as some people were not sure they could commit and might bail out.
6/19/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Good to see you counting this year ziphius, I will be at Rattlesnake as usual.
smile
6/19/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Good to see you counting this year ziphius, I will be at Rattlesnake as usual.
6/19/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Ah, we probably saw each other at orientation.... maybe I'll see you at check-in. Are you counting at 3rd grove? I'm assigned Big Spring as of Sat.

Buford wrote:
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Looking forward to my 1st count. smile



Nice. Cool

I will be back for the third year. I think it is cool how some people have done it for 30+ years.

After orientation yesterday I hiked up to just before 3rd grove Palm Canyon. It was a little warm.
6/18/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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ziphius wrote:
Looking forward to my 1st count. smile



Nice. Cool

I will be back for the third year. I think it is cool how some people have done it for 30+ years.

After orientation yesterday I hiked up to just before 3rd grove Palm Canyon. It was a little warm.
6/18/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Looking forward to my 1st count. smile
6/17/2017
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Another sweet photo!
6/17/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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There are many beautiful places in Mexico, but I don't really feel safe heading down there, even though I have friends that go there all the time.
6/16/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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Nice to see someone who still braves the Baja!


Haven't done too many trips down there recently but did drive to Los Cabos in 2010 and down to Bahia de Las Animas below LA Bay last fall. The roads are much improved compared to the "good 'ol days" with those legendary car eating potholes smile But those empty pristine beaches now have houses and fences everywhere. Progress?
6/16/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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BTY here's a list of books on the Baja explore. I've read a few. My dad always was looking for stuff to explore while he was down in the Baja.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=24136

One that I slightly remember was " Off The Beaten Track In Baja by Erle Stanley Gardner" I may go find it again to read.
6/16/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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Nice! I've been to the ones in the Rumerosa. An engineer who was working for me took us out one summer night in the Salada to show us a few in the Cucapas. All I remember of that trip was it was really hot. Nice to see someone who still braves the Baja!
6/16/2017
Topic:
2017 Sheep Count info

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Orientation is tomorrow, June 17th, 9AM-1PM. Info at theABF.org.
6/15/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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Some serious Baja "Glory Days" posting going on!! Sounds like a lot of amazing stories. Was in Valle de Guadalupe on my honeymoon two weeks ago and definitely have to say lots of great memories new and old down there. Even able to convince the new bride to help me find a Kumeyaay rock art site which she easily found while I was bumbling around in the brush. Can't wait to get back.

P1020766_lrd by tomteske, on Flickr

P1020780_lrd by tomteske, on Flickr

Ruffo by tomteske, on Flickr
6/15/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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Yep, oh Baja! You guys must have great tales to tell. Britain, sounds like you're the guy to stick with. Rockhopper, your edits hint at stuff better left unwritten...haha.
I remember a two page National Geographic magazine picture years ago that showed a time-lapse pic of the earth from space that showed the lights of humanities presence and the only two dark places on the globe were Siberia and Baja.
6/15/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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Haha I've spent a little time in a Mexicali jail and Tijuana mostly because of being a gringo. But I do have a permanent residence card now. They now have to give me a ticket. But I do know a lot of folk down there. My wife is/was a Mexican national and our son is an attorney in Mexicali. So I think I got some bases covered!
6/15/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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Oh Baja, Used to go all over Baja back in the day 1970'- 1990's. My Wife wants nothing to do with it. Too bad, I've gone down with a few of my buddies in the last few years. Man, the stories from Baja. Probably pulled over by Mexican Federaldes over a dozen times over 20 years. Surfboards on the roof or in a van. ( There was a big drug bust back in the 70's with surf boards filled with MJ ) So all surfers were targets for a long time. Great hiking and exploring for sure. It's like going back in time when you leave the populated areas. BE CAREFUL . Lot's of private land. I've been in the Rosarita Jail, Been chased by Mexicans, Almost arrested in Mulege, Paid off the Federaldes multiple times, Had a friend walk off a cliff at night going to take a leak, Too much stuff happened down there to repeat. But I can say 99% of the time was fantastic. I loved Baja.
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edited by rockhopper on 6/15/2017
6/14/2017
Topic:
Volcano Graffiti

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That's Cerro Prieto, the other reason Ancient Lake Cahuilla ever existed at least at the 40 ft. max level. Nearby lava flows presumably acted as a spillway preventing the lake's only outflow from quickly eroding down to sea level which still would have been a huge lake. Anyway, agree nice find.
6/14/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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Thanks. I envy you the many experiences you must've had down there. Remarkable land to those of us that appreciate desert.
6/14/2017
Topic:
Volcano Graffiti

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Went into it in 2000 at that time there was 2 aliens and a space ship, just checked to see if the aliens were still there and now a bird.
6/14/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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@ImpatientHiker Sorry to hear about your bug. I also have an expensive rig that I take down and worry about it. When my dad retired from the Navy in the late 60's he got some beach property about 200 miles south of Ensenada. I used to bring him down buckets of old spark plugs for fishing weights. Fell in love with the Baja from that time. From 1990 to 2014 worked in the Baja and lived there for about 10 years.
6/14/2017
Topic:
Volcano Graffiti

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Nice find!
6/13/2017
Topic:
Volcano Graffiti

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I like how we use Google earth to check out circles and things. This is in the Volcano thats about 20 miles south east of Mexicali ( more south than east)
6/13/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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All those canyons to the east are so beautiful and remote with water, granite, and palm groves. I really miss those times and still dream of the pre-drought azure streams and deep pools that were a result of the early 70's hurricanes. I've heard that most are chocked up or shallow now. Last time I went was up Canyon Carrizo and walked right into a massive, multi-grove, pot grow. They burned my car and I haven't been down there since. As a young man, that bug took me two years to build and really meant a lot to me. Funny how material things mean less and less once you have kids and get older...
6/13/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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The ranches run those cows everywhere that's for sure. There's even some wild ones roaming about. I've also camped on the east side, wheeled down to Mikes ranch then off to San Felipe. It is a nice area.
6/13/2017
Topic:
Rumorosa Baja

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i spent last weekend down there, camped south of el topo. it's a magical place virtually untouched, aside from cow dung everywhere. i loved seeing the profusion of baja fairy dusters (in bloom!) and made a nice loop out of it, returning home via the 3 and ojos negros. of course we made the obligatory stop at marcellos to feast on cheese and an amazing lunch! i highly recommend it!
6/13/2017
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

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Although I am brand new to this forum, I'm going to step up and recommend a new book you might not have heard of yet. While it is no guide book it is an excellent book on the rock art in the region. Don Liponi and Daren Sefcik did the photography in the book. A lot of the photography is done in a process called DStretch. DStretch brings out pictographs that may no longer be visible to the naked eye. I was a skeptic at first but found there was an app for the iPhone you could use so I tried it out on several trips I have made into the AB and surrounding area and was surprised at the results. If you might be interested in the book, you can find it at the La Rumorosa website. (A disclaimer: I designed the book for Don but that makes me no less a passionate advocate for the quality of the material within the book.)
6/12/2017
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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sheep are common in that area, there is water at the spring (trough) and vehicle collisions do occur....nice photo
6/12/2017
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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"Island" sheep, nice. Makes me wonder how often vehicle collisions occur. What is the 'DC' refer to?
edited by ziphius on 6/12/2017
6/12/2017
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Wow!
6/11/2017
Topic:
Big Boy between hwy 8

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Always like hiking between the 8, this is where the freeway splits going in and out of the desert. Some old mines, the DC marker on the peak and lots of big horn. This one had his eye on me. 100-400mm lens @400mm .




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