Forum Submission Functionality has been restored.

Very sorry for the inconvenience,
Bob

Anza Borrego

ThreadsLatest post

Completed Trips

Talk about a trip you took out to Anza Borrego
592 Pinyons and Wreckage...
13 days ago

Upcoming Trips

Post your upcoming trip out to Anza Borrego here. Great place to organize a group trip.
109 Upcoming Pinto Canyo...
13 days ago

Anza Borrego General

Anything about Anza Borrego that does not fit into one of the other forums.
248 How not to get stuck...
13 days ago

Anza Borrego Flower Report

Latest flower reports from Anza Borrego.
25 Toloache...
4/25/2020

Product Reviews

Review a product you have used out on the trail
7 I need help finding ...
11/4/2020

Anza Borrego Backcountry

Hard to get places in Anza Borrego which require 4WD or hiking
30 Easiest way to Hellh...
1/20/2020

Anza Borrego Environmental

Environmental issues regarding Anza Borrego
66 Wind tower collapses...
2/1/2022

Anza Borrego Events

Events happening in and around Anza Borrego
35 Peg Leg Smith Liar’s...
2/23/2018

General

ThreadsLatest post

Introductions

New to the forum or just want to tell us about yourself ?
6 Hi there!...
13 days ago

Desert Photography

Discussions from cameras to what settings to use for that perfect shot
38 2022...
5/25/2022

General Discussion

Topics not related specifically to Anza Borrego
114 Animal Print...
6/14/2022

4WD Discussions

Talk about your vehicle and vehicle upgrades here. Anza Borrego Off Road
37 Volunteer off road v...
18 days ago

AnzaBorrego.net

ThreadsLatest post

Forum Info and Feedback

Forum Questions, Suggestions, Wish List, Improvements, Post here
29 Forum issues...
11/22/2021

What's going on

Users online 3   Members 0   Guests 3

Threads 1336   Posts 11429   Members 229

recent posts recent posts - RSS

13 days ago
Topic:
Upcoming Pinto Canyon Hike

Britain
Britain
Posts: 542
davidwyby wrote:
I think I am the "one person" Britain referred to. Pretty epic one day hike. I'd like to go back and explore Pinto more. Once side canyon had water running out of it...

Yes indeed you are.
13 days ago
Topic:
How not to get stuck?

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Bigger tire, smaller wheel helps too. Often you can go a little over stock size without much modification. In sand, size is more important than tread type. You want a tough tire with mild tread. Definitely not a small aggressive tire!
13 days ago
Topic:
How not to get stuck?

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
These are good to keep in the 4x4 for recovering small cars without tow points. Amazon.com: RuggedTow 4 Pack Grade 70 R T J Cluster Hook, Mini J, R and T Universal Towing Attachment - 4700 lbs : Automotive

Tundras seem to have snappy throttle response which makes them prone to spin and sink. SUVs tend to do better due to more weight in the back and link vs. leaf spring suspension.

Kinetic straps are worth the price. I have pulled out two motorhomes with 4runners with them.

Tire pressure is #1. If it ain't bulging, it ain't aired down. 2wd in sand...I'd probably end up 15-20 psi front, 10 rear. I carry a C02 bottle to air back up.
13 days ago
Topic:
Pinyons and Wreckage

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
I'm going to bet aircraft. Fair bit of what looks like aluminum and titanium. Locking/safety pinned nuts, I'd expect to find some safety wired bolts in there. Spindle looks like landing gear.
13 days ago
Topic:
Upcoming Pinto Canyon Hike

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
I think I am the "one person" Britain referred to. Pretty epic one day hike. I'd like to go back and explore Pinto more. Once side canyon had water running out of it...
13 days ago
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Unfortunately, I have been seeing more and more dead trees in the area I frequent.
13 days ago
Topic:
Hi there!

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 317
tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 317
Topic: Hi there!
Welcome to the forum! Lots of great people and info here and it will get more traffic as the weather cools.

AB is one of my favorite places to hike. Like you said, a lot less crowded than most places even during peak months.


I just did 6582 at the end of March as a day hike. It was already a little warm. One of the most difficult hikes in AB, but amazing scenery all the way.
13 days ago
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
I very much like those mountains. Have spent a lot of weekends up there for over 10 years. Good escape from this desert heat.
13 days ago
Topic:
McCain Valley

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Topic: McCain Valley
I used to really like McCain...I know a spot where water runs through boulder caves sometimes. Found it once when I was out too far too long in the heat, very nice. Need to get up there again and give it another chance.
13 days ago
Topic:
Cuyamaca

davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
davidwyby
davidwyby
Posts: 46
Topic: Cuyamaca
Nice find.
15 days ago
Topic:
Hi there!

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: Hi there!
Welcome! As someone else mentioned, there will probably be more posts as it cools off. Lots of people on here spend a lot of time in Anza Borrego. I haven't driven the old Coyote Canyon route but I've mountain biked it years ago.

A number of people on here have hiked many peaks in the area including 6582. I've only done Schad's route to 6582. It is a step up in difficulty from the standard Villager route. Imagine doing Villager from Clark Dry Lake up one of the ribs instead of the easy ridge trail.
16 days ago
Topic:
Hi there!

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: Hi there!
Welcome,
As Brian mentioned, a little slow here during the triple digits out in the deserts. You will find the brain trust here has a wealth of information of the surrounding wilderness in and around ABDSP. Much thanks to our host for making this forum possible. I first came into the Anza Borrego valley in the 1960's. Came out after the 6.6 1968 Borrego mountain E.Q. and have been hiking the region ever since. I too rode up in a 4x4 up Coyote canyon all the way through up to Anza back in the day. 6582 has been on my list after climbing Rabbit and Villiger also. The preferred route is up from Clark Lake. Maybe next season? I have been spending most of my time exploring the east side of the Santa Rosas past few seasons. Again welcome.

Peak 6582 or Dawns peak on the upper right. Photo taken from Martinez canyon.


edited by rockhopper on 9/10/2022
17 days ago
Topic:
Hi there!

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: Hi there!
Welcome to the site. It's a little dead here in the summer months but will pick up during the cooler season. I'm sadly not in good enough shape to tackle peak 6582 myself, but I've been in the "neighborhood." Having done a significant portion of Schad's suggested approach route, I think if I ever were to do it I'd approach from Rockhouse Canyon instead. Slightly longer but much less demanding. I know several people here have summited it from various routes, so hopefully they will chime in.
18 days ago
Topic:
Volunteer off road vehicle recovery...

boyfester
boyfester
Posts: 2
My son and I helped numerous people out during the Super Bloom in March 2017 when they were stuck in soft sand on Old Henderson Road. We must have pulled out 4 different vehicles and once we were done, we had the entire road to ourselves.
18 days ago
Topic:
Hi there!

boyfester
boyfester
Posts: 2
boyfester
boyfester
Posts: 2
Topic: Hi there!
I'm new to this site but have been an avid visitor of Anza Borrego for quite some time. My parents introduced the park to my sister and I in the early 1980s when we used to ride our dirt bikes from the Superstition Mountains to the Iron Door in Ocotillo Wells and then further north into Anza Borrego. I wasn't a fan of AB at first because you needed a street legal bike, and I didn't have one. My parents loved it though as there were far fewer people racing around unchecked like at Superstition Mtns or Glamis, and so they purchased some property in the early 1980s. Once I turned 16 and bought a Toyota 4x4, I fell in love with Anza Borrego. My dad and I actually drove the entire length of Coyote Canyon in the early 90s before they closed off the middle portion permanently. That was a fun trip that I will remember forever. My wife and I are members of the ABNHA and have recently been attending many hikes since our kids left for college. FREE BIRDS AT LAST!!! I recently climbed to the top of Villager Peak which has been on my bucket list of peaks for over 20 years. Finishing that peak has raised my interest in Peak 6582 and that is what led me here. I was searching for different routes on the web and I eventually wound up here. Anyway, it's nice to meet everyone!

Marc

P.S. I'm working with James McKenna and Diana Lindsay and we're going to resurrect the Peg Leg Liar's contest next Spring 2023, so get your tall tales ready!
29 days ago
Topic:
Cuyamaca

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 317
tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 317
Topic: Cuyamaca
Nice snake pix! Rare to see one right after a kill like that. I wonder if a rattlesnake could let go of the prey without eating it first. Fangs might not be able to retract unless he bit it first and was just starting to eat it.
8/26/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: Cuyamaca
ziphius wrote:
Nice trip. Domestic dog skull. Not telescoped like a coyote and has a steep forehead.



Thanks for solving the mystery. Yep, sure looks like a dog skull. Too bad. Probably ran away and got lost.
8/26/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Cuyamaca
ziphius wrote:
Nice trip. Domestic dog skull. Not telescoped like a coyote and has a steep forehead.

Thanks. I guess it chose the wrong trail..
8/26/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 902
ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 902
Topic: McCain Valley
Nice trip Tommy, love the tinajas and points.
8/26/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 902
ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 902
Topic: Cuyamaca
Nice trip. Domestic dog skull. Not telescoped like a coyote and has a steep forehead.
8/23/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: Cuyamaca
That reminds me of when I lived in Sausalito and did a lot of mountain biking. One time I turned onto a trail called the Bobcat Trail and there were a couple bobcats sitting right there in the middle of the trail. I thought "as advertised."
8/22/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: Cuyamaca
Rocko1 wrote:

Saw these two yesterday up there. https://imgur.com/a/TitlY2D


Nice..!!
8/22/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Cuyamaca
rockhopper wrote:
Back country rodent control! I've seen those bad boys out there many times. Mostly napping on the trail of in boulder protected nooks. It amazes me to see city folk out hiking in the wilderness with their ear buds listening to music. No idea on skull.



Saw these two yesterday up there. https://imgur.com/a/TitlY2D
8/21/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
Topic: McCain Valley
rockhopper wrote:
Good eye on those quartz arrow points! Probably hunting for rabbit, squirrel and bird. The obsidian source was below the surface of Lake Cahuilla at the time perhaps? Nice trail report.

Perhaps indeed. Did see a few obsidian flakes but I'm assuming there's been a lot of disturbance all through that area so who knows when they showed up.
8/21/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Cuyamaca Lake-Best Route?

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
There is an old native American trail that cuts across the bad lands from Kane springs towards Clark Lake south of S22. Sections of the trail on the desert pavement are still visible but most of it is eroded into history. You would probably be the first person to traverse it in over 100 years on foot. Sounds like an epic expedition any way you do it.
Cheers
8/21/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: Cuyamaca
Back country rodent control! I've seen those bad boys out there many times. Mostly napping on the trail of in boulder protected nooks. It amazes me to see city folk out hiking in the wilderness with their ear buds listening to music. No idea on skull.
8/21/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: McCain Valley
Good eye on those quartz arrow points! Probably hunting for rabbit, squirrel and bird. The obsidian source was below the surface of Lake Cahuilla at the time perhaps? Nice trail report.
8/17/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: McCain Valley
Yeah the wind turbines were there when I hiked Sombrero.

I'm not a fan of the transmission towers but thought I might as well capture the moment on camera since I was there.
8/17/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
Topic: McCain Valley
Brian wrote:
Great pics. I've only been to McCain Valley a couple times. I did the hike to Sombrero Peak and a bike ride to Carizo overlook. The bike ride was probably about 10 years ago. I remember there were helicopters placing the towers for the power lines at the time. I've always intended to go back and explore more but it hasn't happened yet.



If you liked the transmission towers, c'mon on back and check out the few dozen wind turbines! Not happy with them, but at least they're producing clean energy unlike the Ocotillo Wind project which only produced a dirty corporate tax break.
8/17/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: McCain Valley
tommy750 wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
I spotted a beat up trough on GE near the end of McCain Valley Rd and it had a nice nearby spring with decent flow. It was not present on the topo map



That is a rare find, unmapped spring flowing this late in the year.
8/17/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: McCain Valley
tommy750 wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
I spotted a beat up trough on GE near the end of McCain Valley Rd and it had a nice nearby spring with decent flow. It was not present on the topo map



That is a rare find, unmapped spring flowing this late in the year.
8/17/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: McCain Valley
I remember those days and before the sunrise power link. The owner of this forum and I were out there protesting the ground breaking and I went to several ocotillo town meetings when they were soliciting community input.
8/16/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: McCain Valley
This was November, 2011









Going through my old pics I realized I also did the Pepperwood trail at some point. Some of these trips are far enough in the past to be straining my memory.
8/16/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: McCain Valley
Great pics. I've only been to McCain Valley a couple times. I did the hike to Sombrero Peak and a bike ride to Carizo overlook. The bike ride was probably about 10 years ago. I remember there were helicopters placing the towers for the power lines at the time. I've always intended to go back and explore more but it hasn't happened yet.
8/16/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
Topic: McCain Valley
dsefcik wrote:
Surprised that old trough is holding water..looks like a nice day bike.


Trough must have been Boy Scout Strong smile Wanted to put a rescue stick/ladder in it but didn't seen anything handy.
8/16/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
Topic: McCain Valley
Rocko1 wrote:
Great finds! You really have a built in dowsing rod for artifacts! I find a couple of pot shards and I am ecstatic. Was that trough being fed by that spring or just collecting rain water? How hot was it while you were out there?


There was a few inches of water in the trough and assuming it was from a recent rain. Smelled really bad from the decomposing critters. May stop by in the future to check on it. Earlier this year, I spotted a beat up trough on GE near the end of McCain Valley Rd and it had a nice nearby spring with decent flow. It was not present on the topo map
Was in the low 80s most of the hike and got nice and cool with the rain. Usually too lazy to get out early when it's cooler
8/16/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
Topic: Cuyamaca
Rocko1 wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
Thought that snake pic looked familiar! Saw it on reddit this morning. Nice find, Rocko.



12 rattles on this one. What do you think of that skull Tommy? Look like a coyote?


Wasn't sure what that was and was thinking coyote skulls would have more of a pointy snout but coyote internet pics sure look like this. Am waiting for Ziphius to join the chat.
8/16/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Cuyamaca
dsefcik wrote:
3 young pups all dead?

It's just one skull. The short skull kinda of threw me.
8/16/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: McCain Valley
Surprised that old trough is holding water..looks like a nice day bike.
8/16/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: Cuyamaca
3 young pups all dead?
8/16/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: McCain Valley
Great finds! You really have a built in dowsing rod for artifacts! I find a couple of pot shards and I am ecstatic. Was that trough being fed by that spring or just collecting rain water? How hot was it while you were out there?
8/16/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Cuyamaca
tommy750 wrote:
Thought that snake pic looked familiar! Saw it on reddit this morning. Nice find, Rocko.



12 rattles on this one. What do you think of that skull Tommy? Look like a coyote?
8/15/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
Topic: Cuyamaca
Thought that snake pic looked familiar! Saw it on reddit this morning. Nice find, Rocko.
8/15/2022
Topic:
McCain Valley

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
Topic: McCain Valley
Haven't been out hiking in maybe a month so decided to head out to my favorite summer day hiking spot, McCain Valley. Have literally been out there dozens of times but there's always somewhere new to explore. It was 106 when I left the desert floor and 84 when I got to the Cottonwood Campground, but clouds were starting to build. Looked like it rained a fair bit in the recent past and even the washboard road wasn't that bad. Headed out on the Sombrero trail before veering east. Looks like a couple small tinajas got some water.

IMG_0106 by tomteske, on Flickr

Came across a site Daren and I stumbled on a few years back just when it started to rain. Was a decent shower lasting 15-20min and enough to fill up a few morteros.

IMG_0114 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0115 by tomteske, on Flickr

Metate piece.

IMG_0118 by tomteske, on Flickr

Found this little quartz Desert Side Notch point. It's a little beat up and missing a tang and barb but pretty hard to find anything these days out in McCain due to massive illegal collection over the decades.

IMG_0126 by tomteske, on Flickr

Rock shelter with a few faded pictos all DStretched.

IMG_0129 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0153 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0157 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0149 by tomteske, on Flickr

Found another Desert Side Notch walking on a stream bank. It also lost one of its tangs and a bit of a barb.

IMG_0178 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0190 by tomteske, on Flickr

Headed over to a "topo spring" I'd never been to. Didn't expect much but almost looked like it could still have some water.

IMG_0204 by tomteske, on Flickr

Did have a wet spot but may have just been the rain.

IMG_0207 by tomteske, on Flickr

Expected ranching stuff was around. These metal troughs are kinda tough to escape if you're a critter and this rodent and his amphibian buddy didn't make it out alive.

IMG_0230 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0237 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0233 by tomteske, on Flickr

Nearby was this benchmark. Don't think I've ever seen a Boy Scout BM but why not? Looks like it was run over since I couldn't move it upright.

IMG_0244 by tomteske, on Flickr

IMG_0250 by tomteske, on Flickr

A nice 8 mile hike with little elevation g/l but was a "chilly" 74 when I made it back. This toad was making the perilous journey across from Cottonwood West to East right when I was leaving. Hope he makes it. Enjoy!

IMG_0263 by tomteske, on Flickr
8/15/2022
Topic:
Cuyamaca

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Cuyamaca
I have been trying to do some hiking in the early AM to avoid the heat-although lately it's 68-70 at 5:45am and 85F by 9am. Been going to the southeast side of Cuyamaca peak area. I ran into this guy Saturday:





Was right in the middle of the trail eating a good size rat. Wasn't much room to get around him and it was 5 miles to go back to an alternate route. He eventually scooted down the trail with the rat and I could squeeze by. Note-I am zoomed in quite a bit, snake was 10' plus away from me.

Video - https://imgur.com/Bok4brn


Also saw this skull near the snake which seems to be a young coyote? Thoughts?




I will have to stick to the fire roads until this heat calms down.

Anyone been getting any hiking/exploring in?
edited by Rocko1 on 8/15/2022
8/11/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Cuyamaca Lake-Best Route?

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
dsefcik wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
Well, after mulling this over for a year, I have decided to not reinvent the wheel, do the extra mileage and take the SDTCT trail to Cuyamaca. Couple reasons. 1) It's much easier to cache water/water food. 2)I want to complete the SDTCT trail at some point and don't want to have to redo that section. 3) Less important but still valuable, much easier bail out points if needed.


Here is my plan for November:


Day 1-Salton Sea to 2 miles south of Villager Trail head off Thimble Trail. Pick up cache at at S22 and Ella Wash. 23-24 mile day.
Day 2- Fonts Point Wash to Culp Valley Campground. Prob. cache water here to-not sure Pena is reliable. 18 mile day, large climb out of BS.
Day 3-Culp to Box Canyon-Pick up Cache. 25 miles
Day 4-Box Canyon up Mason Valley Truck Trail, cross S1 at Pedro Fages monument and head to Lake Cuyamaca. 13 miles.


Total will be 80 miles +/-. 10,000 gain, 5,400ft loss.


Map - https://caltopo.com/m/0A3SJ






edited by Rocko1 on 8/10/2022


Seems reasonable and fun...!



Thanks Daren. May push this to first week in December. I forgot how busy the time around Thanksgiving is in the washes-don't want to get run over by ATV..
8/11/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Cuyamaca Lake-Best Route?

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: Salton Sea to Cuyamaca Lake-Best Route?
Rocko1 wrote:
Well, after mulling this over for a year, I have decided to not reinvent the wheel, do the extra mileage and take the SDTCT trail to Cuyamaca. Couple reasons. 1) It's much easier to cache water/water food. 2)I want to complete the SDTCT trail at some point and don't want to have to redo that section. 3) Less important but still valuable, much easier bail out points if needed.


Here is my plan for November:


Day 1-Salton Sea to 2 miles south of Villager Trail head off Thimble Trail. Pick up cache at at S22 and Ella Wash. 23-24 mile day.
Day 2- Fonts Point Wash to Culp Valley Campground. Prob. cache water here to-not sure Pena is reliable. 18 mile day, large climb out of BS.
Day 3-Culp to Box Canyon-Pick up Cache. 25 miles
Day 4-Box Canyon up Mason Valley Truck Trail, cross S1 at Pedro Fages monument and head to Lake Cuyamaca. 13 miles.


Total will be 80 miles +/-. 10,000 gain, 5,400ft loss.


Map - https://caltopo.com/m/0A3SJ






edited by Rocko1 on 8/10/2022


Seems reasonable and fun...!
8/10/2022
Topic:
Salton Sea to Cuyamaca Lake-Best Route?

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Well, after mulling this over for a year, I have decided to not reinvent the wheel, do the extra mileage and take the SDTCT trail to Cuyamaca. Couple reasons. 1) It's much easier to cache water/water food. 2)I want to complete the SDTCT trail at some point and don't want to have to redo that section. 3) Less important but still valuable, much easier bail out points if needed.


Here is my plan for November:


Day 1-Salton Sea to 2 miles south of Villager Trail head off Thimble Trail. Pick up cache at at S22 and Ella Wash. 23-24 mile day.
Day 2- Fonts Point Wash to Culp Valley Campground. Prob. cache water here to-not sure Pena is reliable. 18 mile day, large climb out of BS.
Day 3-Culp to Box Canyon-Pick up Cache. 25 miles
Day 4-Box Canyon up Mason Valley Truck Trail, cross S1 at Pedro Fages monument and head to Lake Cuyamaca. 13 miles.


Total will be 80 miles +/-. 10,000 gain, 5,400ft loss.


Map - https://caltopo.com/m/0A3SJ






edited by Rocko1 on 8/10/2022
6/14/2022
Topic:
Animal Print

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 902
ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 902
Topic: Animal Print
Is there a series of them? The track shown looks like two tracks superimposed. Canines will travel like that (hind foot lands where front just lifted off) and it looks like there is some slippage due to wet substrate at the time the track was made. It also superficially looks like a raccoon track missing a digit. If there are a series of them, the gait and stride length would be another ID clue.
6/6/2022
Topic:
Animal Print

Britain
Britain
Posts: 542
Britain
Britain
Posts: 542
Topic: Animal Print
dsefcik wrote:
Old dinosaur tracks

LOL
6/6/2022
Topic:
Animal Print

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Animal Print
Racoon.
6/6/2022
Topic:
Animal Print

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: Animal Print
Old dinosaur tracks
6/5/2022
Topic:
Animal Print

Britain
Britain
Posts: 542
Britain
Britain
Posts: 542
Topic: Animal Print
Ive been hiking the Carrizo Creek badlands since about 2000. This print was been in this was south side of Carrizo creek for at least 20 years. Its close to the Coyote Mountain. Some times its covered with sand. Located up off a wash but could get hit by floods.This year I took a picture. Its about 4 inches in length. Theres some like smaller prints but not in good condition. What is it?
5/26/2022
Topic:
Camera found in Santa Rosas- Update

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 902
Great story!
5/26/2022
Topic:
Camera found in Santa Rosas- Update

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
rockhopper wrote:
Tommy was right. The camera was out their longer than I thought at first. Camera came out in fall of 2011, purchased in 2012 and lost in spring of 2013. Judging where the last photo was taken, the camera was moved by flood water down the mountain wash a distance during each monsoon season. It probably would have kept going every year. I caught it out of the corner of my eye while x-country.

Fantastic sleuthing! I hope you find the owners and share their response if so. I would be blown away to be contacted this amount of time later.
5/25/2022
Topic:
2022

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: 2022
@rockhopper nice cacti. They bloomed well this year, nothing else did that I saw.

@dsefcik I actually thought of doing the branch and swirly sand pattern in the wind. Bad, windy weather makes for really good timelapse conditions.
5/23/2022
Topic:
Camera found in Santa Rosas- Update

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Tommy was right. The camera was out their longer than I thought at first. Camera came out in fall of 2011, purchased in 2012 and lost in spring of 2013. Judging where the last photo was taken, the camera was moved by flood water down the mountain wash a distance during each monsoon season. It probably would have kept going every year. I caught it out of the corner of my eye while x-country.
5/21/2022
Topic:
Camera found in Santa Rosas- Update

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Now I want to go back to Martinez Canyon. Counting the days until it's desert season again. (I know for some it still is)
5/21/2022
Topic:
Camera found in Santa Rosas- Update

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 317
Cool! Nice sleuthing.
5/21/2022
Topic:
Camera found in Santa Rosas- Update

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: Camera found in Santa Rosas- Update
Nice work...!
Hope you find the owner...keep us posted.
5/21/2022
Topic:
Camera found in Santa Rosas- Update

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Greetings. I finally had some time to retrieve the data from the SSD card from the destroyed Cannon camera found in the Santa Rosa Wilderness. The camera was lost 9 years ago in 2013. It was lost on 3-30-2013 and found on 3-30-2022. 9 years to the day! All the files were in great shape. There were 427 photos on the memory card from multiple trips, adventures and outings. These folks were hikers! I am not going to post any personal photos but posting a few scenery photos from their adventures is definitely worthy. I put my Wife on the case to track down the owners. There was enough information on the data to find a name and general location of family members. SoCal locals. Stay tuned.

Here is a sample.

9-16-2012 Spitler peak PCT



11-4-2012 Cactus to clouds trail. Palm Springs to San Jacinto Peak. 10,300-foot gain. Thats one tough day hike!



3-23-2013 Johua tree?



3-30-2013 Martinez Canyon ( Lost Camera here )



On the last photo. They took a picture in 2013 of one of my day hikes in 2022 along the Native trail along the bajada. In addition to finding the camera 9 years later to the day, we also found out the owners have same name as my Mother's maiden name. Oh my!
edited by rockhopper on 5/21/2022
edited by rockhopper on 5/21/2022
5/21/2022
Topic:
2022

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: 2022
Nice pics, rockhopper.
5/19/2022
Topic:
2022

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: 2022
Some wildflower pics from 2022











5/14/2022
Topic:
2022

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: 2022
For time lapse, how about watching one of those small sandy wash belly bushes creating that swirly pattern in the sand as the wind blows the branches back and forth? Or maybe an ant hill being formed? got make them unique to ABDSP so it's not "just another one of those swirly bush/ant hill" time lapse videos...wink
5/13/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
rockhopper wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
To Add: So nice to see the sky island of Jeffrey pine, Ponderosa pine amongst other Conifers on the Southern Bench photo. They looked healthy. Hope they can hang on. I need to go there someday!



I called the ranger the day before to confirm the gate was unlocked. Really great area. I commented to Brian while walking through the pine meadows-'you know what you don't see many of? Dead trees'. What was there looked pretty healthy. But as with everything-better go see it sooner than later.

I was shocked at all the cairns leading to the southern edge of the bench-there are quite a few old ones and trails that are choked, we struggled in a few spots. Seems to be 3 'routes' going south-dead center on the ridge and to the east and just west of center. These converge about 1/4 mile before the bench drops onto the crest.

If you haven't been up there I suggest a trip-Even for a day or so. Park near the end of the road and explore the bench.


I will definitely plan a trip to the Southern bench sometime. I have hiked down to around the 7500 ft. elevation just above the bench on the south side and hiked off Toro to the East down to Black Rabbit and to the West down to the "other" abandoned Sawmill several times. That southern bench looks sweet to base camp at. Thanks for posting the video. A little ground snow for water and light winds would be perfect.



The south meadow is perfect for base camp. Easy to hump water to from your car location, not far to drop off bench, reasonably easy to get to, shade, breeze, views. Another south meadow video-https://imgur.com/jY4RoUUhttps://imgur.com/jY4RoUU
edited by Rocko1 on 5/13/2022
5/13/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Rocko1 wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
To Add: So nice to see the sky island of Jeffrey pine, Ponderosa pine amongst other Conifers on the Southern Bench photo. They looked healthy. Hope they can hang on. I need to go there someday!



I called the ranger the day before to confirm the gate was unlocked. Really great area. I commented to Brian while walking through the pine meadows-'you know what you don't see many of? Dead trees'. What was there looked pretty healthy. But as with everything-better go see it sooner than later.

I was shocked at all the cairns leading to the southern edge of the bench-there are quite a few old ones and trails that are choked, we struggled in a few spots. Seems to be 3 'routes' going south-dead center on the ridge and to the east and just west of center. These converge about 1/4 mile before the bench drops onto the crest.

If you haven't been up there I suggest a trip-Even for a day or so. Park near the end of the road and explore the bench.


I will definitely plan a trip to the Southern bench sometime. I have hiked down to around the 7500 ft. elevation just above the bench on the south side and hiked off Toro to the East down to Black Rabbit and to the West down to the "other" abandoned Sawmill several times. That southern bench looks sweet to base camp at. Thanks for posting the video. A little ground snow for water and light winds would be perfect.
5/12/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
rockhopper wrote:
To Add: So nice to see the sky island of Jeffrey pine, Ponderosa pine amongst other Conifers on the Southern Bench photo. They looked healthy. Hope they can hang on. I need to go there someday!



I called the ranger the day before to confirm the gate was unlocked. Really great area. I commented to Brian while walking through the pine meadows-'you know what you don't see many of? Dead trees'. What was there looked pretty healthy. But as with everything-better go see it sooner than later.

I was shocked at all the cairns leading to the southern edge of the bench-there are quite a few old ones and trails that are choked, we struggled in a few spots. Seems to be 3 'routes' going south-dead center on the ridge and to the east and just west of center. These converge about 1/4 mile before the bench drops onto the crest.

If you haven't been up there I suggest a trip-Even for a day or so. Park near the end of the road and explore the bench.
5/12/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
To Add: So nice to see the sky island of Jeffrey pine, Ponderosa pine amongst other Conifers on the Southern Bench photo. They looked healthy. Hope they can hang on. I need to go there someday!
5/12/2022
Topic:
2022

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: 2022
Buford, looks like you worked for Nat.Geo. :-)
5/10/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Buford wrote:
How accurate is the site?


I'm not sure. One time I was driving Black Mountain in Ramona and a ranger closed the gate as I left because of an approaching rain storm. When I got home I checked the page and it was listed as closed. So I know at least some pages are up to date. I'm sure it depends on the agency, as you said. In this case Rocko1 went the extra mile and called to double check it would be open.
5/10/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Brian wrote:
Buford wrote:
I am a little surprised the road was open, they sometimes close it due to weather.


I always check this page before I go.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/sbnf/recarea/?recid=81714&fbclid=IwAR0GW9delpT-LLXErehAP2YEXkFyHbYr4U-NhM4I3wc21SgP4g3fwiL0rys

The forecast for the storm that rolled through didn't call for any accumulation (although there was some), so that's probably why they didn't bother to close it.


How accurate is the site? I have found too often the USFS does not update road closures and have hit unexpected locked gates a few too many times. I imagine some districts are better than others at keeping the website up to date.

I can say the road to Toro is treacherous to even walk when it gets covered in ice.
5/10/2022
Topic:
2022

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: 2022
dsefcik wrote:
...

Last milky way shot looks like the culp valley / pinyon campsite at the end of the road near the trail to pinyon ridge.

--


Correct. I've scouted that site out before for milky way shots, never got around to shooting there until last weekend.



I usually try and get birds in flight instead of bird on a stick shots. I couldn't get the doves to cooperate.
5/10/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Buford wrote:
I am a little surprised the road was open, they sometimes close it due to weather.


I always check this page before I go.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/sbnf/recarea/?recid=81714&fbclid=IwAR0GW9delpT-LLXErehAP2YEXkFyHbYr4U-NhM4I3wc21SgP4g3fwiL0rys

The forecast for the storm that rolled through didn't call for any accumulation (although there was some), so that's probably why they didn't bother to close it.
5/10/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
tekewin wrote:
A very interesting trip and great photos!


Did you start on Toro or just below it?

Seems like a mostly unexplored area.


The plan was to start by the locked gate just below the summit of Toro. We encountered more ice than expected on the road near Stump Spring campground and decided to park there since there are limited places to turn around if the road got worse. Of course as it turned out we would have been totally fine driving to the end, but this worked out OK.
5/10/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 317
tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 317
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
A very interesting trip and great photos!


Did you start on Toro or just below it?

Seems like a mostly unexplored area.
5/10/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Looks like a great trip. There is a wrecked military helo up towards the peak, you should find that next time out that way.
5/10/2022
Topic:
2022

dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
dsefcik
dsefcik
Administrator
Posts: 2558
Topic: 2022
Look great Bufurd, thanks for sharing.

The time lapse was really awesome, really nice work..!! Thumbs Up

Last milky way shot looks like the culp valley / pinyon campsite at the end of the road near the trail to pinyon ridge.

--
5/9/2022
Topic:
2022

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: 2022
Thanks.

A couple more. The roadrunner tried to attack a dove and the dove got away.








5/9/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Buford wrote:
Nice. There is so much up there to explore. Very few people up there I assume? I am a little surprised the road was open, they sometimes close it due to weather.

Glad you found the ridge down to the cottonwoods. I have really enjoyed hikes like Rockhouse to Toro where you can go through multiple biomes in a day hike.



We saw one truck at a campground near the top and heard some others near the peak from camp, but saw no one. Road was questionable just in a few areas-at about 7,500ft or so due to snow/ice-that turned to mud quickly.
5/9/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Nice. There is so much up there to explore. Very few people up there I assume? I am a little surprised the road was open, they sometimes close it due to weather.

Glad you found the ridge down to the cottonwoods. I have really enjoyed hikes like Rockhouse to Toro where you can go through multiple biomes in a day hike.
5/9/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
rockhopper wrote:
That was an excellent expedition. The views are just fantastic! Looks like you arrived after the last snow of the season on Toro. Is the video of the south meadow pines the same area as picture no. 8 with the Salton Sea back drop? The shade of that pine looks like a great camping spot. How much water did you pack in? Patchy snow would be the way to go. But it would be cold.



Yes, south meadow is in picture 8. Here are more pics-https://imgur.com/a/anbL107

I think I had 6.5L, ate and refilled bottle with snow that added .75 to 1L. I think it got to 32f or so that night. Camp was about 8,050ft.
5/9/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
That was an excellent expedition. The views are just fantastic! Looks like you arrived after the last snow of the season on Toro. Is the video of the south meadow pines the same area as picture no. 8 with the Salton Sea back drop? The shade of that pine looks like a great camping spot. How much water did you pack in? Patchy snow would be the way to go. But it would be cold.
5/9/2022
Topic:
2022

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Topic: 2022
Awesome photos. Please keep em' coming!
5/9/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
This was a great trip. Some really fantastic camping opportunities in both north and south meadows. Found the route down to the cottonwoods-marked-at the top at least-with plenty of cairns. Also heavy animal tracks leading to this route as well.

South Meadow-https://i.imgur.com/gNs0xl7.mp4
edited by Rocko1 on 5/9/2022
5/8/2022
Topic:
2022

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: 2022
Brian wrote:
Great pics as always, Buford. I don't recognize the last one so I'm sure I've just driven past it too.



Scissors area.

Rockrunner


Tarantula hawk
5/6/2022
Topic:
2022

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: 2022
Great pics as always, Buford. I don't recognize the last one so I'm sure I've just driven past it too.
5/6/2022
Topic:
Alta Seca Bench

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Topic: Alta Seca Bench
Rocko1 and I wanted to get in one more overnight trip before the desert gets too hot (this isn't quite Anza Borrego but it's adjacent). We were looking at high desert options and settled on Alta Seca Bench near Toro Peak. This was 2 weekends ago and a snow storm blew through a day before we went. We didn't set any firm destination goals because we didn't know what conditions we would find. We managed a thorough exploration of the bench despite both of us feeling the effects of the altitude (it's easy to forget that the starting point of this trip is 1000' higher than the highest peaks in Anza Borrego).

All pics courtesy of Rocko1

A good view of the bench from one of our previous trips to Rockhouse Valley.


There was still snow at the top when we arrived. It was gone by the next day.



Views of Borrego Springs, Rockhouse and Clark Valleys.



We found the top of the ridge that descends to the Cottonwoods. We're talking about a Toro to Rockhouse traverse next fall.


Conditions on the bench were much drier than at Toro.


Views to the S/E



Our campsite had great views but also wind exposure.


Sunrise from camp.
5/3/2022
Topic:
2022

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: 2022
One more from an area most people just drive past.

5/3/2022
Topic:
2022

Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Buford
Buford
Posts: 418
Topic: 2022
Costas


meep meep




A couple different takes on the milky way


4/26/2022
Topic:
The Cahuilla and the Santa Rosa Mountain Region

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
That is a great resource. I have it pinned. Thanks for posting.
4/24/2022
Topic:
The Cahuilla and the Santa Rosa Mountain Region

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
Downloaded. I'm looking forward to reading this.
4/22/2022
Topic:
The Cahuilla and the Santa Rosa Mountain Region

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
Sorry if this has been posted before but I found this pretty interesting report provided to the BLM in 1981. Thought some might find this informative. I find the Cahuilla and how they lived very intriguing.

https://archive.org/details/cahuillasantaros00bean/mode/1up
4/20/2022
Topic:
Piepkorn slot

Britain
Britain
Posts: 542
Britain
Britain
Posts: 542
Topic: Piepkorn slot
JBHogan wrote:
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread, but I thought I'd give an update on the current condition of the slot, as of April '22, so anyone searching on the area will have more info.

Last week we traveled northbound from the Dos Cabezas area along the road ending at Jojoba Wash. The damaged memorial is still there, with only a few tokens and coins left.


In our short wheelbase 4x4 Tacoma were able to navigate the slot (which had only one set of faint tire tracks), and thought we were home free, right until the end of the road...

From the plateau above the wash there are three routes down, all sandy descents similar to the one in Canyon Sin Nombre. Unfortunately, the wheelers have destroyed two of the three completely. I'm assuming they head southbound up the slopes with rock-crawler-type jeeps; there are 3 foot vertical drops in several places, some of which have been augmented with large rocks in an attempt to fill the holes. Total suicide.


The third way down is a steep, sandy slope featuring a 90-degree turn halfway down with some large ruts. If one were equipped with lots of technical 4x4 experience and a high clearance, wide-tired Jeep they could probably make it, but we were a little leery of taking the chance, since it was mid-week with no one around to help us right the truck if we rolled it during the turn. After some cussing, we reversed our course and went back the way we came. We made it through the slot "uphill" and continued south.


When we got home, I looked at Google Earth and found there was a "pin" on the slot, listing it as closed...


In a way, turning around was a good thing: we spent the night at Hayden Spring, and in the morning had the good fortune to witness a group of four Bighorn rams grazing in the wash, about 50 meters away. They didn't seem bothered by us and stuck around for about 30 minutes, before casually heading up the rocks and out of sight.

Yeah, those routes up to the top from the wash are a mess.
4/19/2022
Topic:
Martinez and Agua Alta 3 Day backpack

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Hey Brain, I am only using Google Earth. Try using the historical views. It can make the old trails "pop" out. From what I know, there were 100's miles of Native American trails interlacing throughout the Santa Rosas. Only a small percentage of these trails remains visible on the surface today. The only remaining trail remnants I have found are on geologic stable areas, Mesas, Bajadas, heavily patinaed desert pavement, etc. It still is remarkable that today we can travel across trails thousands of years old.
edited by rockhopper on 4/19/2022
4/18/2022
Topic:
Martinez and Agua Alta 3 Day backpack

Brian
Brian
Posts: 151
rockhopper wrote:

Here are the Google Earth pictures that got me motivated to go out and check it out.

The trail. Center of picture.


I found it on GE. That would be quite the needle in a haystack to find that without the clues. Do you trace out the parts you can see on some app before you go, or do you just note the starting point and do it all from what you can see on the ground?
edited by Brian on 4/18/2022
4/18/2022
Topic:
Martinez and Agua Alta 3 Day backpack

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 1001
rockhopper wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
Tommy750
Neat story about your rock circle search and finding it. It is always different on the ground. The same for my rock circle search. The "mystery ring" picture above sure looked man made. About 60 foot in diameter. On the ground is barely discernable. Seeing old charcoal poking thru the sand made me think it was a ceremonial gathering site for rituals perhaps. Too big for a roasting pit?

btw I remember your trip down Agua Alta. Thanks for the repost. Enjoyed it. Cheers.


Does the charcoal from roasting pits last for multiple centuries?



Rocko1,
I had to google it. Apparently burned wood, charcoal which contains no more organic matter in it is very stable so it can last for centuries underground. Longer in dryer climates. At the 60 foot "mystery ring" the surface was eroding away and small chunks of charcoal were making its way to the surface and then probably getting blown away with the strong winds over time. Giant roasting pit? Ceremonial ritual site? If I do Agua Alta again, I will have to check it out some more.


edited by rockhopper on 4/18/2022



Pretty sure charcoal will last thousands of year with regards to carbon-14 testing. Your first two photos of circles look like roasting pits but of course you would need to see if they are surrounded by fire affected rock and contain lots of ash/charcoal. Sometimes a overlying sediment layer complicates things. I know there is a 30 ft roasting pit on the Palo Verde trail Gary Jones showed me once. Not sure about 60 ft. Supposedly there is a 70 ft rock circle on the east side of Clark Lake but have been unable to locate it on GE. Here's an article regarding ages of local roasting pits and the curious observation they seemed to have been used more during dry periods of Ancient Lake Cahuilla. https://www.sandiegoarchaeology.org/Laylander/Issues/chron.agave.htm

NIce trail find leading out of Martinez.
4/18/2022
Topic:
Martinez and Agua Alta 3 Day backpack

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Rocko1 wrote:
rockhopper wrote:
Tommy750
Neat story about your rock circle search and finding it. It is always different on the ground. The same for my rock circle search. The "mystery ring" picture above sure looked man made. About 60 foot in diameter. On the ground is barely discernable. Seeing old charcoal poking thru the sand made me think it was a ceremonial gathering site for rituals perhaps. Too big for a roasting pit?

btw I remember your trip down Agua Alta. Thanks for the repost. Enjoyed it. Cheers.


Does the charcoal from roasting pits last for multiple centuries?



Rocko1,
I had to google it. Apparently burned wood, charcoal which contains no more organic matter in it is very stable so it can last for centuries underground. Longer in dryer climates. At the 60 foot "mystery ring" the surface was eroding away and small chunks of charcoal were making its way to the surface and then probably getting blown away with the strong winds over time. Giant roasting pit? Ceremonial ritual site? If I do Agua Alta again, I will have to check it out some more.


edited by rockhopper on 4/18/2022
4/18/2022
Topic:
Martinez and Agua Alta 3 Day backpack

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 520
rockhopper wrote:
Tommy750
Neat story about your rock circle search and finding it. It is always different on the ground. The same for my rock circle search. The "mystery ring" picture above sure looked man made. About 60 foot in diameter. On the ground is barely discernable. Seeing old charcoal poking thru the sand made me think it was a ceremonial gathering site for rituals perhaps. Too big for a roasting pit?

btw I remember your trip down Agua Alta. Thanks for the repost. Enjoyed it. Cheers.


Does the charcoal from roasting pits last for multiple centuries?
4/16/2022
Topic:
Martinez and Agua Alta 3 Day backpack

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
Tommy750
Neat story about your rock circle search and finding it. It is always different on the ground. The same for my rock circle search. The "mystery ring" picture above sure looked man made. About 60 foot in diameter. On the ground is barely discernable. Seeing old charcoal poking thru the sand made me think it was a ceremonial gathering site for rituals perhaps. Too big for a roasting pit?

btw I remember your trip down Agua Alta. Thanks for the repost. Enjoyed it. Cheers.

Here are the Google Earth pictures that got me motivated to go out and check it out.

Up the nose



The trail. Center of picture.


edited by rockhopper on 4/18/2022
4/16/2022
Topic:
Martinez and Agua Alta 3 Day backpack

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 646
tekewin wrote:
Magnificent trip. With that many miles, I'm surprised your water lasted.


I could barely make out your satellite circle. I do like exploring via Google Earth and heading to interesting places. I don't do that enough.

Thanks for sharing!


Tekewin
I was able to take advantage of a mini weather window of cooler temps after the last rain. This made my water consumption a lot lower, but still used almost 1 Gal. per day. Water / food/ fuel was half the pack weight. For added weight I threw in a big can of steak and potatoes. But I needed some calories for the next day. I had about 1 cup full of water when I returned to the vehicle. Hopefully we get some big monsoon rains to recharge the springs.




Powered by Jitbit Forum 8.3.8.0 © 2006-2013 Jitbit Software