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tommy750
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3/25/2013
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For some reason I became curious about Ancient Lake Cahuilla and made six trips in the last couple months looking for what still remains. There appears to be a lot! Started by heading out to West Mesa to check out the amazing beach clearly visible from Google Earth. Actually, you can pretty much trace the entire shoreline on Google with little difficulty.


Beach by tomteske, on Flickr

Took the road North from Plaster City. Lots of signage starts to appear.


Bombing Range by tomteske, on Flickr


Spotting Tower by tomteske, on Flickr

A few miles in and on the right, a fenced area contains used practice munitions.


Practice Missiles by tomteske, on Flickr


Practice Bombs by tomteske, on Flickr


Practice Junk by tomteske, on Flickr

Off to the left, aerial target markers.


30 Range by tomteske, on Flickr

Nearing Fish Creek Mts. The beach is between these and Superstition Hills.


Fish Creek Mts by tomteske, on Flickr

Winding across mud flats and through a few arroyos, finally end up at the ancient beach. The maximum height of Ancient Lake Cahuilla was 42ft. Then it would overflow to the South and re-enter the Colorado River channel.


43 Feet by tomteske, on Flickr

Lots of the beach vegetation was in nice parallel rows easily visible from the satellite image. Not sure what this plant is but there were a lot of them on the sandy shore and they had a bonsai kind of appearance.


Beach Plant by tomteske, on Flickr

Walked the length of the beach and found lots of sherds on the sandy bluffs above the beach.


Beach Sherds by tomteske, on Flickr


Beach Sherds2 by tomteske, on Flickr

At the far East end of the beach is a wash entering the lake with a nice exposed cross section of a fault.


Uplift by tomteske, on Flickr

Cut across the lake bed on the way back and found lots of shells.


Cahuilla Shells by tomteske, on Flickr

Mandatory mylar photo.


Disney Fairie by tomteske, on Flickr

View of the shoreline from inside the lake bed.


Beach View by tomteske, on Flickr

Time to head home. Toward Carrizo Wash from the beach. Will post more on other interesting parts of the lake. Enjoy. Tom


Toward Carrizo Creek by tomteske, on Flickr
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herofix
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3/26/2013
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Fascinating! Thanks for posting, with all your excellent (as usual) pics and descriptions. That's an area waaaay beyond my range, so I'd never see it but for your report.
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3/26/2013
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Very educational and beautiful Tom. I'd be interested in seeing a KML outline of the ancient lake boundary as viewed from GE. Or is it just portions / fragments that appear to be visible? - Jim

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tommy750
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3/26/2013
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Jim (ziphius) wrote:
Very educational and beautiful Tom. I'd be interested in seeing a KML outline of the ancient lake boundary as viewed from GE. Or is it just portions / fragments that appear to be visible? - Jim


You can actually follow almost all of shoreline on GE except for a few areas that have been graded or washed out. Always being at 42ft elevation helps when the outline isn't clear. The KML outline would be great. I just don't know how to do itupset Maybe you or someone else does?
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3/26/2013
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herofix wrote:
Fascinating! Thanks for posting, with all your excellent (as usual) pics and descriptions. That's an area waaaay beyond my range, so I'd never see it but for your report.
Dan


Thanks, Dan. What's your usual range? Tom
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3/26/2013
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Jim (ziphius) wrote:
Very educational and beautiful Tom. I'd be interested in seeing a KML outline of the ancient lake boundary as viewed from GE. Or is it just portions / fragments that appear to be visible? - Jim


Ok, here's my novice attempt to show the lake level near the beach. The view is toward Fish Creek Mts. The edges get pretty rough if you zoom out too far. Tom


Cahuilla Beach by tomteske, on Flickr
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3/27/2013
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Awesome Tom, that's what I was interested in seeing!

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3/27/2013
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That's all very cool Tom...I like the sea shell photo. Thanks for sharing all that info!

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waning moon
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3/27/2013
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Tom,

This is Fish Creek Beach and Dunes, "Ancient Beach Line" extensive long term Cahuilla village site, still hundreds of shards, chip and flake throughout the area. When I first started visiting, 1966 or 67, there were still metates and manos buried in the dunes, picked up a few beautiful wonderstone (rhyolite) and agate arrowheads mostly laying on the mud flats. I theorize bow fishing and waterfowl.

I do not know how far West you made it but it looks like your photos are just past the Gyp railroad trestles? where Fish Creek and Carizzo wash join?







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3/28/2013
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Tom, were you able to find the "bathtub" rings on any boulders on the ancient water line?
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3/28/2013
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Nolan (anutami) wrote:
Tom, were you able to find the "bathtub" rings on any boulders on the ancient water line?


Wasn't around a rocky shoreline this particular trip, but here's a shot from Fish Creek Mts a couple miles West. Tom


Tufa Line by tomteske, on Flickr
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3/29/2013
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waning moon wrote:
Tom,

This is Fish Creek Beach and Dunes, "Ancient Beach Line" extensive long term Cahuilla village site, still hundreds of shards, chip and flake throughout the area. When I first started visiting, 1966 or 67, there were still metates and manos buried in the dunes, picked up a few beautiful wonderstone (rhyolite) and agate arrowheads mostly laying on the mud flats. I theorize bow fishing and waterfowl.

I do not know how far West you made it but it looks like your photos are just past the Gyp railroad trestles? where Fish Creek and Carizzo wash join?



Thanks for the pics. Haven't been that far North yet to see the village site. Definitely want to head up that way. When was the last time you were out there? Still look about the same?

The Cahuilla beach I walked on is between Fish Creek Mts. and Superstition Hills. Here's a screen shot from Google Earth. Tom


The Beach by tomteske, on Flickr
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3/29/2013
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Thats all pretty cool...how about the fish traps, do you have any pics of those?

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3/30/2013
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Here are the fish traps located on the old USGS topo maps taken a few years back.


We had just spent several days up in Martinez canyon and saw this hiking out. Sorry for the shaking camera. He was a mov'n!

edited by rockhopper on 3/30/2013
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3/30/2013
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Very interesting area. Thanks for sharing all the info.
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3/31/2013
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Interesting..they are much deeper than I thought..thanks..

rockhopper wrote:
Here are the fish traps located on the old USGS topo maps taken a few years back.


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3/31/2013
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4/1/2013
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Tom,

The photos are from a month or two ago, while I was out photographing wildflowers. The area has changed greatly since I first saw it, heavily used for offroad, drive right through the old camps, full on morons. The area is semi closed now, vehicle travel on established trails only, almost no one goes there anymore. I usually fill a 30 gal trash bag everytime I visit and could continue until I am dead and never make a dent. Sad

When I camped there we would be gone all day, to Carrizo Stage Station following the Overland Stage route on West to Palm Ssprings and back, or the Superstions, or shell beds NW of Plaster City

Well enough, rememberances, doubt you could make that run with Rangers in the Air now


tommy750 wrote:
waning moon wrote:
Tom,

This is Fish Creek Beach and Dunes, "Ancient Beach Line" extensive long terrm Cahuilla village site, still hundreds of shards, chip and flake throughout the area. When I first started visiting, 1966 or 67, there were still metates and manos buried in the dunes, picked up a few beautiful wonderstone (rhyolite) and agate arrowheads mostly laying on the mud flats. I theorize bow fishing and waterfowl.

I do not know how far West you made it but it looks like your photos are just past the Gyp railroad trestles? where Fish Creek and Carizzo wash join?



Thanks for the pics. Haven't been that far North yet to see the village site. Definitely want to head up that way. When was the last time you were out there? Still look about the same?

The Cahuilla beach I walked on is between Fish Creek Mts. and Superstition Hills. Here's a screen shot from Google Earth. Tom


The Beach by tomteske, on Flickr
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tommy750
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4/1/2013
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waning moon wrote:
Tom,

The photos are from a month or two ago, while I was out photographing wildflowers. The area has changed greatly since I first saw it, heavily used for offroad, drive right through the old camps, full on morons. The area is semi closed now, vehicle travel on established trails only, almost no one goes there anymore. I usually fill a 30 gal trash bag everytime I visit and could continue until I am dead and never make a dent. Sad

When I camped there we would be gone all day, to Carrizo Stage Station following the Overland Stage route on West to Palm Ssprings and back, or the Superstions, or shell beds NW of Plaster City

Well enough, rememberances, doubt you could make that run with Rangers in the Air now


Thanks for the update. Agree, there's unfortunately a lot of trash around there. Tom
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4/5/2013
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http://www.scahome.org/publications/proceedings/Proceedings.08Laylander.pdf
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Interesting document...thanks for the info!

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